Twitch Source Code Leaked including Creator payout reports

Papacheeks said:
I'm serious, there's no responsibility to twitch streamers like there are in other entertainment mediums. It's wild west, you now have girls licking microphones just getting money. If something happens in the stream community rarely is there something in place.

There's more swatting, and ill-intent done because of streaming. Where did this stuff happen to the extent you heard about it on radio shows? I mean your going to have hatters and people send threats and sometimes come down to the studio, but you have things in place.

These kids literally are streaming from their homes? Hardly any of this money is taxed. You just have kids now exposing themselves to the internet getting a following, and being followed by who knows.
I am not against what the medium is, I think its the natural progression of how shows are done in terms of radio/talk shows, entertainment shows like howard stern.

But there needs to be things in place, right now its wild west. And a girl can make hundreds of thousands of dollars for wearing skimpy shit and adding really nothing to the medium. Then getting pissed when twitch bans or comes down on them and saying you cant wear that kind of shit.

Just hope it gets a little more advanced in how it handles things.

I mean look at whats happening right now with Facebook?
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I was more referring to your gross generalization of what a twitch streamer is in their character as a person. You had a knee jerk reaction that is pretty sad and laughable. You speak about wanting to these people to be role models and its awful for the kids yet proceed to judge an entire subsection of a platform as unfit to be rolemodels without and real knowledge of them or their character as a whole. You know that all the popular streamers are just terrible people? I would like to see some data on that.

You claim to not be against what the medium is but then want it to be what sounds like regulated to only be content that is fit in your minds eye. It also sounds like based on what you said about developers and kids etc that you want choice to be regulated as well to help fight "the wild west."

People have the choice to watch what content they want. Could be a developer or a girl licking a microphone. Like anything, including the other forms of entertainment you gloss over, have the same supply and demand as Twitch. It sounds more like you have an issue with the "laws" of the internet and people being simps rather than twitch.
 
Honestly some guys have like 28 subs for a single viewer. Either there is something wrong or there is something shady going on.

trujillo415 is a good example here.
 
fextralife = 18k average viewers = 190k

aka viewbots his channel big time.


earlswood = 385k = 88 average viewers
 
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Nikana said:
I was more referring to your gross generalization of what a twitch streamer is in their character as a person. You had a knee jerk reaction that is pretty sad and laughable. You speak about wanting to these people to be role models and its awful for the kids yet proceed to judge an entire subsection of a platform as unfit to be rolemodels without and real knowledge of them or their character as a whole. You know that all the popular streamers are just terrible people? I would like to see some data on that.

You claim to not be against what the medium is but then want it to be what sounds like regulated to only be content that is fit in your minds eye. It also sounds like based on what you said about developers and kids etc that you want choice to be regulated as well to help fight "the wild west."

People have the choice to watch what content they want. Could be a developer or a girl licking a microphone. Like anything, including the other forms of entertainment you gloss over, have the same supply and demand as Twitch. It sounds more like you have an issue with the "laws" of the internet and people being simps rather than twitch.
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In which way did I say all streamers? I even brought up people who put on shows which stream like Louder with Crowder who treat the medium more like it should be? This thread is about the top paid streamers who make millions without even counting Endorsements?

My whole point is you have a generation of people that literally stream and kids watching this thinking that this is what they should strive for. When there's is more to it than that. And if there was more infrastructure in place to treat it as such to my examples like Louder with Crowder, which mimics more common mediums like radio/studio show.

You basically have people who are influencers and are really young getting endorsements and have no clue what this does to reputation, but also in the long run compromises you in terms of having a individuality/opinion.
There's nothing knee jerk about it. Maybe when theres a better network built and TV/Radio/Streaming come all together there will be less bull shit.

BTW i work in Television. SO im coming from that kind of Mindset.
I am probably off the mark completely, but I do see trends in increase in social anxiety caused by kids, watching these people and looking up to them. I see them instead of studying, looking into learning things that interest them they look at streaming being where they should focus.

I love watching tim the tat man, Dr.disrespect. But those guys literally had regular career's, tim worked shitty jobs most of his life it seems. Then started streaming, now he along with Guy Beam produce content. I hope it moves in the correct direction.
But the money they make is ridiculous, and there's hardly any regulation or standard.
 
FunkMiller said:
Damn, dude. Sounds like you're barely scrapping through. Hope things turn around for you soon, and your earnings can get a little higher than that super low quarter of a million dollars a year (y)
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Did I say anything about my earnings being low, or even super low? No. I just stated that what one streamer make in 1 month takes my 3 years. I also live in Europe where taxes are higher and things are generally more expensive.

OmegaSupreme said:
Do you work for PC gamer or is it just a clever name? lol. On the subject... Good for them I guess.
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As a PC gamer a just took the name and used their logo.
 
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holy fuck that is A LOT of money per month ? wtf.
Does it say how much the_happy_hob makes? I am subbing him myself lol
 
SMH at people thinking streaming is a get-rich-quick scheme. Those are the top 1%, everybody else make jack shit.

Inoa_K said:
I streamed for almost a year and got my affiliate status after 4 months.
Didn't even make 100 bucks from it and just quit.

I wasn't very good at it and started in 2020 when everybody and their mom were streaming.
Wish I started when it was called Justin.tv.

And on the topic, I also released a game on Steam years ago and barely made 500 so I'm consistent in my failure.
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Papacheeks said:
In which way did I say all streamers? I even brought up people who put on shows which stream like Louder with Crowder who treat the medium more like it should be? This thread is about the top paid streamers who make millions without even counting Endorsements?

My whole point is you have a generation of people that literally stream and kids watching this thinking that this is what they should strive for. When there's is more to it than that. And if there was more infrastructure in place to treat it as such to my examples like Louder with Crowder, which mimics more common mediums like radio/studio show.

You basically have people who are influencers and are really young getting endorsements and have no clue what this does to reputation, but also in the long run compromises you in terms of having a individuality/opinion.
There's nothing knee jerk about it. Maybe when theres a better network built and TV/Radio/Streaming come all together there will be less bull shit.

BTW i work in Television. SO im coming from that kind of Mindset.
I am probably off the mark completely, but I do see trends in increase in social anxiety caused by kids, watching these people and looking up to them. I see them instead of studying, looking into learning things that interest them they look at streaming being where they should focus.

I love watching tim the tat man, Dr.disrespect. But those guys literally had regular career's, tim worked shitty jobs most of his life it seems. Then started streaming, now he along with Guy Beam produce content. I hope it moves in the correct direction.
But the money they make is ridiculous, and there's hardly any regulation or standard.
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I never said you called all streamers this. I said you judged a subsection, which in this case would the top paid streamers in the thread/leak. Then proceeded to say:

Papacheeks said:
It's pretty sad to be honest. Out side of setting up equipment themselves I doubt any of them know how to change a tire, or do an oil change or use a drill or wrench to fix something. It takes no skill as anyone can do this, you just have to be either entertaining or really good at games which there are lots of people.
Then just sell your soul to marketing and you can have millions. I would rather have skills and have an actual feeling of accomplishment. These people are disjockies without any knowledge or training on how to be one and how you conduct yourself.
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SO how is one not supposed to think you are making a sweeping generalization about the top paid streamers? But I digress. I think you got my point.

It still sounds like you have an issue with the internet and its openness rather than Twitch itself. Your stance seems to be you hate that people can basically live through the internet and they do not understand the gravitas that it has caused in terms of social behavior in general. Which is a fair point as its new technology and this is the first generation to grow up with it. But you can say that about every generation as its always the first generation to grow up with X involved.



You say things like:

"I see them instead of studying, looking into learning things that interest them they look at streaming being where they should focus."

So we should squander any children that look up to streamers? Because they wont get any life skills or something? Should we do the same for people who want to be in other forms of entertainment where the 1 percent are mega successful and the rest never reach that peak?

It still sounds like a knee jerk reaction to me. You working in TV doesn't really have a relevance IMO. I work in education and see children studying every day. That doesnt mean I should make broad generalizations about education system in general.
 
PC Gamer said:
Did I say anything about my earnings being low, or even super low? No. I just stated that what one streamer make in 1 month takes my 3 years. I also live in Europe where taxes are higher and things are generally more expensive.
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I'm only yanking you chain, dude. Good for you (y)
 
Shit, now I understand the money.

Bugs Bunny Money GIF by Looney Tunes
 
I often wonder how many of the younger streamers are actually saving money and doing responsible things with it. I can't help but think the majority are just blowing it all, lmao.
 
Papacheeks said:
In which way did I say all streamers? I even brought up people who put on shows which stream like Louder with Crowder who treat the medium more like it should be? This thread is about the top paid streamers who make millions without even counting Endorsements?

My whole point is you have a generation of people that literally stream and kids watching this thinking that this is what they should strive for. When there's is more to it than that. And if there was more infrastructure in place to treat it as such to my examples like Louder with Crowder, which mimics more common mediums like radio/studio show.

You basically have people who are influencers and are really young getting endorsements and have no clue what this does to reputation, but also in the long run compromises you in terms of having a individuality/opinion.
There's nothing knee jerk about it. Maybe when theres a better network built and TV/Radio/Streaming come all together there will be less bull shit.

BTW i work in Television. SO im coming from that kind of Mindset.
I am probably off the mark completely, but I do see trends in increase in social anxiety caused by kids, watching these people and looking up to them. I see them instead of studying, looking into learning things that interest them they look at streaming being where they should focus.

I love watching tim the tat man, Dr.disrespect. But those guys literally had regular career's, tim worked shitty jobs most of his life it seems. Then started streaming, now he along with Guy Beam produce content. I hope it moves in the correct direction.
But the money they make is ridiculous, and there's hardly any regulation or standard.
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That's the fault of the parents not the streamers imo.

The same thing could be said about girls aspiring to be "IG models", "pornstars" , etc.

These streamers are generating millions of dollars per hour for twitch and advertisers so of course they will be compensated well.

When you are able to bring a large audience out to watch you perform you will always be paid well because advertisers use that to get people in front of their products through these performers which in turn makes money. This is why athletes, movie stars, TV personality, etc. are all paid so much.

The responses in this thread is exactly why people don't talk about money publicly because it just breeds jealously and a lack of critical thinking.
 
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skit_data said:
Great representation of how utterly fucked humanity is when we are economically rewarding people playing videogames and screaming more than we fund scientists doing research on how we can save ourselves from ourselves.
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That says it all about the human condition really, we'd rather amuse ourselves to death than look for meaning in our lives.
The saddest part about this are the people cheering on this nihilistic hedonism.
 
I work in the tax preparation, with many of our clients in oil & gas, so I'm used to seeing 7 and 8 figure annual incomes.

But I'm glad some more people get perspective on how little they actually make lol. We are little people.
 
MiguelItUp said:
I often wonder how many of the younger streamers are actually saving money and doing responsible things with it. I can't help but think the majority are just blowing it all, lmao.
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I honestly think they save a lot. most of them are hermits that never leave there house.
 
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Tschumi said:
Hahaha asmongold is a gajillionaire and he still looks like that
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He's fairly down to earth and "real" by twitch standards but I'm pretty sure he's still playing a character Presenting an image. In his case, an exaggerated caricature of someone who looks like they play mmos 12 hours a day.

You don't just turn on a camera in front of 100k people & go full stream of consciousness, not when its your livlihood. Have to be fairly deliberate about presentation.
 
MrFancypants said:
Were those videos supposed to back up your argument? Because it didn't work. Further to the point, the first video only confirmed my statement about Twitch streamers being middle-aged men living in their mothers basements.
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Sure, but i don't think anyone with a little self-awareness is under the impression that is hard work.
 
MatrixReloaded101 said:
That's the fault of the parents not the streamers imo.

The same thing could be said about girls aspiring to be "IG models", "pornstars" , etc.

These streamers are generating millions of dollars per hour for twitch and advertisers so of cause they will be compensated well.

When you are able to bring a large audience out to watch you perform you will always be paid well because advertisers use that to get people in front of their products through these performers which in turn makes money. This is why athletes, movie stars, TV personality, etc. are all paid so much.

The responses in this thread is exactly why people don't talk about money publicly because it just breeds jealously and a lack of critical thinking.
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There is no jealousy, nothing is regulated. There is really nothing that teaches you how to make XLR cables which I do, how to make BN/C cables for SDI if you want to make your setup more professional and more broadcast like.

The only onus is what ever twitch, youtube put up for content guidelines and eve that is not set in stone as it seems to change. Radio, TV have guidelines, streaming seems to have none or its whatever social media demands worthy. I'm saying more infrastructure needs to be there to help make these streamers more than just someone at their house or parents house playing videogames.

The more tools available to them, the more they make themselves more valuable and make it so they have better understanding that being as big as NInja is rare. As it is streaming has this persona that anyone can do it and thats really correct if you have even a smart device.

The thing is unless you know 100% what your going to do for your channel/stream there your following people like NInja, DR.disrespect who basically were lucky to have the means and get in while it was still small.

If streaming is so lucrative for everyone why is there not a legit network setup? Reason is people like Tim, DR. D, lup Ninja would miss out on those 100 million dollar contracts.
 
Ass of Can Whooping said:
Blame your parents for raising you to be a boring mothafucka
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My parents raised me with the ethic that to earn good money, you need to put in some honest, hard work for it. I've worked my ass off to get to where I am on a salary that just about lets me live comfortably, while these Twitch streamers earn millions for sitting on their ass all day.

Keihart said:
Sure, but i don't think anyone with a little self-awareness is under the impression that is hard work.
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A lot of people in this thread are under the impression that streaming is hard work. Twitch is a doddle compared to YouTube. I dislike YouTubers for their 'work' too, but at least there's actual effort put into filming, editing, etc. Twitch is literally slap a few graphics on, make yourself pretty, and go. Zero effort, maximum reward.
 
Papacheeks said:
In which way did I say all streamers? I even brought up people who put on shows which stream like Louder with Crowder who treat the medium more like it should be? This thread is about the top paid streamers who make millions without even counting Endorsements?

My whole point is you have a generation of people that literally stream and kids watching this thinking that this is what they should strive for. When there's is more to it than that. And if there was more infrastructure in place to treat it as such to my examples like Louder with Crowder, which mimics more common mediums like radio/studio show.

You basically have people who are influencers and are really young getting endorsements and have no clue what this does to reputation, but also in the long run compromises you in terms of having a individuality/opinion.
There's nothing knee jerk about it. Maybe when theres a better network built and TV/Radio/Streaming come all together there will be less bull shit.

BTW i work in Television. SO im coming from that kind of Mindset.
I am probably off the mark completely, but I do see trends in increase in social anxiety caused by kids, watching these people and looking up to them. I see them instead of studying, looking into learning things that interest them they look at streaming being where they should focus.

I love watching tim the tat man, Dr.disrespect. But those guys literally had regular career's, tim worked shitty jobs most of his life it seems. Then started streaming, now he along with Guy Beam produce content. I hope it moves in the correct direction.
But the money they make is ridiculous, and there's hardly any regulation or standard.
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Tim worked shitty jobs all his life? The guy is fucking 31, hes still youngish, he worked flipping burgers for some years which is nothing, almost none of these streamers did anything in their life but hit it big in the internet gold rush.

Entertainment has always been a mockery, but this is idiot gamers that get rich of a scam cycle that users pay for.
 
ZywyPL said:
Yeah that's the best part - all those numbers are just scraps, whereas Twitch itself sits on literally billions.
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Probably not. They make a couple of billion in revenue last year. They probably weren't profitable for a while and might even have a lot of debt. You subtract all these payouts, you subtract operating costs and subtract the cost of staff . Which is a lot, execs/management get paid well and so do engineers who can earn as high as 450k/year depending on experience; and twitch likely has hundreds of thousands of them. You are probably left with profits but probably not as much as you think.

lh032 said:
White collar jobs are a scam.
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I mean the top 50 white collar jobs are probably making more than the top 50 twitch streamers. It's nice though that they have a cushy job but it's not like most people that to do Twitch actually make a good living. "white collar jobs" is also a broad category of jobs which can include secretaries and CEOs, there's a shit ton of jobs in between that can net you multiple times the national average. Can't just pick any job in the broad category and whine you don't make enough. It's like wanting to make money on Twitch and not playing one of the popular games.
 
MrFancypants said:
My parents raised me with the ethic that to earn good money, you need to put in some honest, hard work for it. I've worked my ass off to get to where I am on a salary that just about lets me live comfortably, while these Twitch streamers earn millions for sitting on their ass all day.
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Fuck that i'm going to transition to female so i can get me some simps
 
Bragr said:
Tim worked shitty jobs all his life? The guy is fucking 31, hes still youngish, he worked flipping burgers for some years which is nothing, almost none of these streamers did anything in their life but hit it big in the internet gold rush.

Entertainment has always been a mockery, but this is idiot gamers that get rich of a scam cycle that users pay for.
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Well I was going by his history from a video he did. Thought he was much older? He's actually From Syracuse which is an hour away from where I live.
 
I dont follow twitch gaming, didn't know so many made that much money. Only one's I know are Dr Disrespect (if he's still on there?) watching his hilarious PUBG videos, and xQc when he blew through LoU2 in 16 hours (including cut scenes).

Dr D Chinese guy videos are funny as hell and when he starts yelling or being fed hot dogs too. xQc was funny to watch as he hated the cut scenes and would go mental getting killed over and over again during the last segment with the big compound shootout.
 
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The Fixed Version pastebin link in the OP is deleted by pastebin.

But looking at the other links that still work. Who knows exactly when in 2019, but for sake of argument lets say 2 years for each profile. So take any streamers value and /2 to get avg yearly income.

I would have never guessed the 5000th Twitch streamer makes about $60k/yr.

#1 guy. $37.2M = $18.6M/yr

100th. $3M = $1.5M/yr

500th. $1M = $500k/yr

1000th. $570k = $285k/yr

2500th. $250k = $125k/yr

5000th. $121k = 60k/yr

9995th (last guy on sheet). $55k = $27k/yr
 
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MrFancypants said:
My parents raised me with the ethic that to earn good money, you need to put in some honest, hard work for it. I've worked my ass off to get to where I am on a salary that just about lets me live comfortably, while these Twitch streamers earn millions for sitting on their ass all day.



A lot of people in this thread are under the impression that streaming is hard work. Twitch is a doddle compared to YouTube. I dislike YouTubers for their 'work' too, but at least there's actual effort put into filming, editing, etc. Twitch is literally slap a few graphics on, make yourself pretty, and go. Zero effort, maximum reward.
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Zero effort, sure, easy, i don't think so.
You don't even need fancy graphics or good equipment. What you do need is luck and have some charisma, which are things not easy to have.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
The Fixed Version pastebin link in the OP is deleted by pastebin.

But looking at the other links that still work. Who knows exactly when in 2019, but for sake of argument lets say 2 years for each profile. So take any streamers value and /2 to get avg yearly income.

I would have never guessed the 5000th Twitch streamer makes about $60k/yr.

#1 guy. $37.2M = $18.6M/yr

100th. $3M = $1.5M/yr

500th. $1M = $500k/yr

1000th. $570k = $285k/yr

2500th. $250k = $125k/yr

5000th. $121k = 60k/yr

9995th (last guy on sheet). $55k = $27k/yr
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So god damn strange that you can spend 5 years studying, get a great job, work 10 hours a day and still earn less than the 1000th streamer on Twitch.

This is a fucking hobby after all, they aren't employed, it's like the whole system of work and effort is upended by the internet. It's great when people can get a few bucks for entertaining people, but this sort of stuff is just a complete fuck you to everyone who goes to work every day. The system is supposed to regulate this sort of stuff. Same with onlyfans.
 
Bragr said:
So god damn strange that you can spend 5 years studying, get a great job, work 10 hours a day and still earn less than the 1000th streamer on Twitch.

This is a fucking hobby after all, they aren't employed, it's like the whole system of work and effort is upended by the internet. It's great when people can get a few bucks for entertaining people, but this sort of stuff is just a complete fuck you to everyone who goes to work every day. The system is supposed to regulate this sort of stuff. Same with onlyfans.
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You are talking about 1000 people. Are you aware what a small percentage of people that is? And you've literally highlighted they aren't employed. They have no job security etc.

I cannot wrap my head around how incensed people are to the fact people who are able to get literally 1000s of people to tune in and watch them for hours and entertain them make good money doing so? Do you get offended at people paying 20 bucks to go to the cinema and watch a shit marvel film for 2 hours? That's more offensive to me...but hey I have great taste.

Fucking get a grip lad.
 
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I don't get the salt and anger I am seeing from some people here and on Social Media. If you entertain a shitload of people everyday and/or make your parent company millions of dollars every year then of course you are gonna be compensated for that.


Thats why actors and athletes also make so much. That is literally the way the system has been built to operate.
 
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