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Two people in my High School murdered someone

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Chittagong

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Reminds me of a totally crazy case three years ago in the area where I live in - something of a local Beverly Hills. Four perfectly behaving teens from rich, academic families plotted a "perfect murder" - kids of judges, CEOs etc.:

Heino case: four teenagers get long jail terms in double murder trial

Killings of couple carefully planned

Four teenage boys were found guilty of the murder of an Espoo couple, Martti and Elise Heino, at the conclusion of their trial at Riihimäki District Court on Tuesday. The two victims were ambushed and shot dead at a summer cottage in Loppi in August last year.
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The court found that the oldest of the group, now 19-year-old Markus Österman, had planned the killings. He was given a life sentence. Österman was the only one of the group who was over the age of 18 when the shootings occurred.
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The other three avoided life sentences because of their youth. Saku Pyry Salo, who fired the gun that killed the Heinos, was sentenced to 13 years in prison, while the two others, Sampsa Mäntylä and Jani Pesola, got 12 years each.

According to a psychiatric evaluation, all four were aware of the significance of what they were doing.

The killings took place in Loppi on August 24 2001 according to a carefully worked-out plan. The Heino couple were enticed to come to a cottage in Loppi to discuss business issues, including the sale of 100 mobile phones. When the two arrived at the cottage they were met by Pesola, who guided them to a location that was within range of Salo, who was waiting in ambush behind a rock.
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Martti Heino was killed by the first bullet, which hit him in the neck. Elise Heino made a call to emergency services on her mobile phone, but it was cut off by the second bullet. More shots were fired at close range to make sure the victims were dead.
 

3phemeral

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The other three avoided life sentences because of their youth. Saku Pyry Salo, who fired the gun that killed the Heinos, was sentenced to 13 years in prison, while the two others, Sampsa Mäntylä and Jani Pesola, got 12 years each.

That's it? ...and people who deal drugs can get something like 40 to life... that's not right.
 

XS+

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What a pack of animals. Sure, their innocence is a presumption until guilt is proven, but I tend to lean towards their guilt. I'm tired of reading sad stories like this. Mourn the dead, put these animals away for the rest of their lives, and move on.
 

XS+

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Doc Holliday said:
Weird, not something i would expect from a brooklyn tech student.

Here, people, we have a candidate for the most ignorant statement of the day.
 
Adams and Yajdiel Collado, 20, were with several pals when they had words with Arias' group as they entered the theater. One of them accused Adams of staring at him.

What?! Please tell me there more to the story than that...
 

XS+

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doncale said:
the world gets sicker every fucking day.


terrible :(

That's the type of mentality that rap has bred in our youth. It's sad, but a reality that many need to wake up to.
 

XS+

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Fresh Prince said:
Where is rap music mentioned in the article?

They didn't need to mention it. I've witnessed that kind of thug posturing all too often.

"Yo, man, why you looking at me? Show me some respect, understood?"

Where do you think that violent insecurity stems from? Gangsta rap, where you've got a Jay-Z telling our youth that it's ok to lash out violently against anyone that doesn't reassure them against self-doubt. It's why you have youths out here selling drugs so they can afford the latest Rocawear shirt. It's all intertwined, combining for a sick condition that results in these senseless deaths.
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
Hah, small world.

Er... sorry to hear about the incident at your school. I am never sending my kids to school in this city.
 
XS+ said:
They didn't need to mention it. I've witnessed that kind of thug posturing all too often.

"Yo, man, why you looking at me? Show me some respect, understood?"

Where do you think that violent insecurity stems from? Gangsta rap, where you've got a Jay-Z telling our youth that it's ok to lash out violently against anyone that doesn't reassure them against self-doubt. It's why you have youths out here selling drugs so they can afford the latest Rocawear shirt. It's all intertwined, combining for a sick condition that results in these senseless deaths.
Personally I believe GTA, Doom 3, Halo and all other violent videogames did this.
 

XS+

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Fresh Prince said:
Personally I believe GTA, Doom 3, Halo and all other violent videogames did this.

I'm quite serious. It's a shame so many underestimate the effect gangsta rap has had on our youth. I love hip-hop, but I detest gangsta rap.
 
XS+ said:
I'm quite serious. It's a shame so many underestimate the effect gangsta rap has had on our youth. I love hip-hop, but I detest gangsta rap.
So since these boys studied\lived in Brooklyn = follow your theory.
 
If any form of entertainment can have more influence on a child then the parents themselves, then the parents are the ones to blame. I mean really how do you not know your kid is hanging with the wrong crowd and is about to commit a double murder?

really WTF?
 

Chittagong

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3pheMeraLmiX said:
That's it? ...and people who deal drugs can get something like 40 to life... that's not right.

Life in Finland is 12 - 16 years max. No one has been sitting in jail for longer than 16 years, whatever the crime. For drugs you get 2 - 8 depending on the charge. Around the same as for manslaughter and tax fraud.
 

Zilch

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Wellington said:
Maybe kids are just fucked in the head these days due to shitty/absentee parenting? Just a thought.

Definitely a factor, but I can't believe you'd totally disregard/underestimate the influence that violent types of media (music, video games) have on kids... or ourselves for that matter. Yes, I know that sounds lame and preachy, but its got to be considered.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Pierre Arias, 15, was charged with murdering Davey Adams, 20, as he walked out of the Midway Theater on Queens Boulevard in Forest Hills at 12:30 a.m. Friday

OMG OMG OMG OMG! OMG! Holy fucking fuck fuck fuck fuck. I was there watching Meet the Fockers and the movie ended about 12:50. HOLY FUCK FUCK FUCK! I can't feel my hands. I have shivers going down my spine.
 
Zilch said:
Definitely a factor, but I can't believe you'd totally disregard/underestimate the influence that violent types of media (music, video games) have on kids... or ourselves for that matter. Yes, I know that sounds lame and preachy, but its got to be considered.


again parents need to instill moral values in their kids. the biggest and main factors are the parents.
 

XS+

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Kabuki Waq said:
If any form of entertainment can have more influence on a child then the parents themselves, then the parents are the ones to blame. I mean really how u not know your kid is hanging with the wrong crowd and is about to commit a double murder?

really WTF?

I blame both derelict parenting and the commodification of gangsterism. To be a thug is "cool," as packaged and peddled by the merchants of social refuse that hawk a 50 cent or a Jay-Z. When 50 cent or Jay-Z can put VIDEOS on MTV that advocate drug use and violence, there's a serious PROBLEM. Marginalize these monsters and you will have solved much of the problem.
 

Drexon

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Whoa, one of those guys has the same name I do. Damn parents, naming me by a finnish name when I live in Sweden. Finnish is the ugliest language of them all, even uglier than russian. :mad:
 

XS+

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The hottest R&B song out is 'Soldier' by Destiny's Child. This song is EXPLICIT in the instruction of how to be a "thug." Beyonce and her backup singers want only a man who is a thug. Think of how this affects so many who're already insecure enough? Eventually, these idiots start buying into their veneer, culminating into tragedies like this.
 
Drexon said:
Whoa, one of those guys has the same name I do. Damn parents, naming me by a finnish name when I live in Sweden. Finnish is the ugliest language of them all, even uglier than russian. :mad:
Do you guys dislike each other or what (Swedes vs Finnish)? I think I saw a movie about this or something.
 
XS+ said:
I blame both derelict parenting and the commodification of gangsterism. To be a thug is "cool," as packaged and peddled by the merchants of social refuse that hawk a 50 cent or a Jay-Z. When 50 cent or Jay-Z can put VIDEOS on MTV that advocate drug use and violence, there's a serious PROBLEM. Marginalize these monsters and you will have solved much of the problem.


I myself find it pathetic that being a "thug" or "Pimp" is now cool. But really its one thing to listen to music and another to be influenced by them and let them shape your moral Values.

again how do you not know your kid is fucked up enough to murder someone?
 
Star Power said:
Yes, Tech is hell on earth. I'm prepping to transfer out actually...

I can write a book on how bad that place is.

Academically its an amazing school but moral is ridiculously low because of some stupid rules and excess stress (we tech students take more courses then anyone else). I don't know anyone outside of brooklyn tech who is forced to stay till 3:24.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I'm bugging out. I can't believe this...this is nuts. I was right there.
 

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gamepro said:
I can write a book on how bad that place is.

Academically its an amazing school but moral is ridiculously low because of some stupid rules and excess stress (we tech students take more courses then anyone else). I don't know anyone outside of brooklyn tech who is forced to stay till 3:24.

In Stuy I had classes from 9:30-2:45, got lucky most of the time with a lenient last period and usually left at 2:00. Some kids spent all day at school, and then hours studying, but they were trying to get into harvard. If you wanted to maintain a B average, all you had to do was go to class, and do Homework in 1 or 2 classes. Easiest 4 years of my life.
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
Please, my high school (Regis High School) had an even higher workload, but morale wasn't as bad. Infact it was actually pretty good, I don't know how they pulled it off.
 

Zilch

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Kabuki Waq said:
again how do you not know your kid is fucked up enough to murder someone?

I think history shows that it's pretty much impossible to tell when you're kid is about to murder someone.
 

Chittagong

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Fresh Prince said:
Do you guys dislike each other or what (Swedes vs Finnish)? I think I saw a movie about this or something.

Swedes look down at Finns. Finland used to be a feudal province of Sweden, a culture of a genuine dislike of the "poor, ugly little brother" still exists.

As an example of this - although Sweden has been financially more successful for all of the 20th century - reports of hardships of Finnish companies and taking stabs at Nokia are still popular article genres in tabloids such as Expressen and Aftonbladet.

Finnish people do not have a similar dislike of Swedish people, but Russians instead. I believe this comes from the history of Russia / USSR attempting to invade Finland several times, without success.
 

Drexon

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Nah, it's more of a USA vs. Canada. We dislike 'em just cause we can. :p Nothing anyone actually takes seriously.
 

XS+

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Kabuki Waq said:
I myself find it pathetic that being a "thug" or "Pimp" is now cool. But really its one thing to listen to music and another to be influenced by them and let them shape your moral Values.

again how do you not know your kid is fucked up enough to murder someone?

I don't think it's solely the province of parenting to instruct our youth on what's right and wrong. There has to be some accountability shouldered by our society. Our youth are being subjected to an endless barrage of filth, degenerate amorality fueled by inexorable greed. Does this mean I believe entertainment should be purely edifying? No, but there MUST be serious guards put in place that block the trash that our children are fed.
 

Gregory

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3pheMeraLmiX said:
That's it? ...and people who deal drugs can get something like 40 to life... that's not right.

That case was in Finland it seems. Much less strict sentencing than in America. Actually I`m surprised to see they have life sentence in Finland considering here in Norway 21 years is maximum.
 

Chittagong

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Gregory said:
That case was in Finland it seems. Much less strict sentencing than in America. Actually I`m surprised to see they have life sentence in Finland considering here in Norway 21 years is maximum.

"Life" = 12 - 16 years max.
 
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