XtremeXpider
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Next Xbox is doomed even with "good" news xD
Ubisoft dev: Xbox 720 "aligned with what Sony announced"
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statham
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Coulomb_Barrier
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Rumours of MS selling it through a subscription-based model are interesting.
According to that Kevin Dent guy, this is what will make Xbox 3 'win' this generation.
MS can get the machine in lots of homes by offering it for cheap or even free in exchange for contracts/subs obviously.
According to that Kevin Dent guy, this is what will make Xbox 3 'win' this generation.
MS can get the machine in lots of homes by offering it for cheap or even free in exchange for contracts/subs obviously.
I'm just optimistic about what Kinect 2 could bring. I think some really cool and unexpected things could result from the combination of new sensor hardware, a new console built from its inception to interface with Kinect, and the notion of a Kinect in every box. And even if the fervor isn't the same as it was when Kinect first launched, it'll be an easier sell if it comes packed in with the system.
Xenon
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I see the 720 thread being bigger this year simply due to the fact that there seems to be a large number of people who need to declare their dislike for MS. Every Durango thread is littered with people declaring they plan to buy a PS3. You don't see that as much of that in PS4 threads.
Oh, MS are focussing on media now? I thought it was Kinect? I don't have access to the same insider info that you guys do, so I'm a little behind the curve it seems.
No, they're focusing on apps now. But also on media and Kinect and being evil.
Baleoce
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I strongly believe they will also do this. I mean, they tested the waters with late revisions of the 360, I don't know what the results of that were. But I can imagine the standard consumer being strapped for cash near xmas, seeing the lower price option, and opting for that whilst deciding to worry about the sub fees later on. I don't even think I'd be opposed to it if they made a good enough deal for the consumer. Netflix, but for games, etc. If they do this however, they can pretty much count out the Asian market this time around surely?
I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Sub based Model would boost xbox3 sales and Pay-TV like HBO(US) or Sky(EU) or with what should it be bundled?
Jack Tretton might have your back.
I kid, but I am surprised this didn't get more drama.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2013/02/21/sony-playstation-4-jack-tretton/
Yeah, that's true. I'm just hoping that won't be the case. It never really adds anything to a conversation about a game and turns into a pissing match.
Improving the system is one thing, but how developers use it is completely different. Having it in every box gives more incentive to better utilize it for games, but we have to wait and see whether this proves useful or if we just get a bunch of games that use it poorly or are nothing but shovelware. For the end user, I think the option of not using the Kinect interface should be allowed, but with it in every box, this may never be available.
Only Sony would build an overpriced console.
Agreed on all points. But maybe it's worth more to be able to promise developers that the Kinect is always plugged in than to cater to the (likely small) group of elitists who refuse to support such an eventuality.
BenjaminBirdie
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PoweredBySoy
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I'll pass. Just give me the games. I don't need your Kinect-fueled social media bullshit.
Agreed. The more specific the design specs are with a console, the better developers can properly create for the system and leaves out any of the guess work.
I bet you that's what always on means.
BibiMaghoo
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Fair enough.
I was more asking what made you think that people - other than yourself - were positive for it. As in what gave you the impression it is actually a popular device. That seemed to be what you were saying, that it is something lots of people are positive about, and I just don't see that at all.
My bad if that was not what you were trying to say.
I imagine Ubisoft does have feature details so that they can create launch games to take advantage of the new features, and demo those features on stage prior to or during the big announcement.
So both companies are "forcing" (not my quote) these motion cameras and FOCUSING on motion/casual. I hope that doesn't turn people off from buying a PS4/Xbox 3.
Now with Sony having moved to a heavy casual focus with the PS4 by bundling these motion features as well, it is clear that console gamers will not have a choice...other than not to buy the PS4/Xbox 3.
I wasn't saying these people are currently excited about Kinect. I asserted that many were still receptive to a Kinect style device, given that MS can improve the experience and offer compelling software. Unlike how most GAFers act about it, I don't think Kinect poisoned the well for these people.
Freshmaker
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MS can spy on you with their mandatory camera to deliver more focused advertising to your TV.
SenjutsuSage
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Let's be honest, will you or most gamers even be able to tell a difference between what will almost certainly be two very identical looking games without some website doing some obsessive in depth analysis or without people counting pixels? If you can't tell a difference between the same exact game running on the two platforms just by looking at them, and if there isn't noticeably worse performance on one platform compared to the next, then which of the two happens to be stronger won't really matter in the end, and it shouldn't.
That's precisely why I think Microsoft is in good position with their reported specs. They are close enough in power to the PS4 to produce visually identical games with solid performance.
Generally, I do happen to think that there's mostly positive buzz around Kinect. Sure, it might not seem that way when you have what's a very vocal minority attempting to rip Microsoft to shreds everytime they mention the thing, but a lot of gamers will like that Kinect comes with their next gen xbox. That doesn't mean they will fall in love with it, or that they'll want to play games with it exclusively, but I think most people will be glad they have it, and will hope something cool and worthwhile ends up coming from its inclusion.
The difference between PS3 and 360 version is often very noticeable (thinking of Far Cry 3 and its just too unacceptable performance on PS3 - 360 is bad, but at least playable; or Skyrim), and that's with the 360 only being slightly more powerful in real-world multi platform practice.
Enthusiasts will certainly notice the difference if Durango will actually feature slower RAM as well as a GPU that is about 1/3 less capable.
I know quite a few casual gamers that bought Kinect which are very unhappy with their purchase: The fact that Kinect barely works for most people and games must have seriously damaged the brand. I see absolutely no "positive buzz" for Kinect.
I think neither a "media" nor a "Kinect" focus will be all that interesting to many people. This wouldn't be the first time Microsoft ruined a popular product.
grosvenor_92
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Well why can't they just show something then if it's similar to what Sony announced
mdtauk
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Microsoft has now instituted a policy of "Shut Up, and Ship!" for their projects. Guess that covers neXtBOX - but there is E3 coming up soon, which is the ideal place and time to spill the beans to non developers
uhh you do know they did say during the playstation meeting that they are primarily focusing on the core gamer .right ?
Adding a camera on a system ( that may or may not be required ) is not my defenition of going heavy casual .
Vustadumas
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I think Sony matched Microsoft on the 8GB GDDR5. Sony just beat them to the announcement punch.
This news isn't surprising at all. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise really when both MS and Sony are chasing the same audience.
Most of the people that make a lot of noise or drama on GAF are the same types to ignore potentially negative Sony news.
Most of the people that make a lot of noise or drama on GAF are the same types to ignore potentially negative Sony news.
SenjutsuSage
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MightyHedgehog
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Eh, what these presentations say or imply isn't to be taken too seriously. Anyone can see that telling the audience most likely to buy your system right out of the gate at its highest price and with the least amount of software available obviously needs to hear lots of what they want to hear to get amped up to throw those hundreds to thousands of dollars down sooner rather than later. Sony is as media and social/casual-driven as MS. They are equal to MS in this current gen for focus, so why would they change that direction they're already moving in? They've a deeper, more vested interest in offering their own wares in television and film properties which is so much of what MS is focusing on making available for sale on their box.
Microsoft persecution complex?
This was widely discussed, some clouds features were clearly presented as aspirational and there was also a press-release after the conference detailing this. Nobody is expecting all Gaikai functionality to be there on day one.
100 % agree with him.
sure both want to invade my living room with services and such
but at the end of the say i and a lot of gamers will ask this question to both of them : what are you trying to sell me?
A media center that can play games .
or
A game system that has additional services.
IMO i prefer the latter.
*Ahem* I think you're forgetting that Sony cannot do wrong? /sarcasm
Basically Sony Gaming President admits that they lack the infrastructure to perform such a task, and Sony fans ignore that admission, and instead criticize the subscription fee for Xbox Live, which has allowed Microsoft to build such an infrastructure.
Microsoft has built Gaikai-like functionality using XBL subscription fees? News to me, you must be an insider!
on GAF it is.
Alx
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You know that those four points apply to games too, right ? It's even a big part of what defined the current generation.
Connected : online gaming of course, online marketplace, and maybe in the future cloud gaming.
Social : friend lists, chats, achievements,...
Immersive : Photorealism, emotional/cinematic scenes, 3D, surround sound...
Interactive : if it's not interactive it's not a game but a movie.
I'm more making the point that you can't expect services like what Jack is describing, without having the revenue to build it. Do you realistically think that you'll be able to play cloud games on Sony's platform for free? Not a chance. That being said, is it realistic that MS may include cloud gaming with an XBL subscription? Possibly.
Oh - and MS does possess the technology and knowhow to create cloud services(even if it wasn't built with XBL fees)...
http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/products/other/Pages/cloud_services.aspx#fbid=n_HPMbNCLcd
http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/
great post, and my feelings exactly.
MightyHedgehog
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Obviously, most gamers on GAF would. I do, too. However, what they say and what they provide in the end doesn't have to be all that different since you can easily exchange the two possible statements and presentations and produce the nearly the same if not the exact same result. It just depends on what games you value and how many of them you'll need to see/read/hear about that can, say for example, elevate two big core games into such attractions that they make up for more than that on the other platform. Most people don't play everything, so it's all about how they treat your more specific preferences, I think. I don't see evidence of either statement being true yet, so I guess I'll just wait until MS' conference and/or E3 to have a better perspective on it since all the usual hand-wringing is only because of a lack of concrete information and facts than anything else.
Alx
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At the end of the day, you should rather trust your own intents, and see what you can get from the proposed product, rather than listen to the songs of companies.
Whatever they may be saying about their product, you're the one using it, buying games and using services. If you're using it to watch media, then it's a media center. If you're using it to play games, then it's a game system. Even if it wasn't meant to be one.
Not at all, especially since anything Nintendo-related also receives the same treatment from this group.
I understand what is and isn't expected at the launch for PS4, but there have been irrational conclusions formed out of less for the other systems is my point.
Yep, and Dave Cutler, who was one of the main guys that worked on Azure and other MS cloud stuff moved over to the Xbox team some time ago too. You don't move a guy like that to the Xbox side of things unless there's some big stuff planned regarding cloud services.
Tripp Daily
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Unless MS shows those features actually working with on stage demonstrations.
Captain Tuttle
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Schadenfreude is a hell of a drug
