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[Inuteu]

UK is beyond saving.

 

[DaciaJC]

I have not heard of Epping, but I read the article past the headline, here are a few things that stand out:


Believed to? So is it or it isn't?

Are you dense?

I don't negate that this should be investigated, but "trying to kiss" = sexual assault is the kind of thing US Republicans jerk off to. Still unacceptable BECAUSE SHE IS FOURTEEN.

Jesus Christ.

Yes, forcibly trying to kiss a 14 year old girl is ASSAULT. What the fuck are you even going on about?

I also just Googled like a little bitch using a few key words:

‘Before, I felt safe and the locals were nice’: asylum seekers on how Epping protests have transformed daily life

Men living in the Bell hotel in Essex tell how they have been verbally abused, chased and physically attacked

www.theguardian.com

Fuck, it seems like the locals didn't mind that much before.

Yes, Westerners tend to be friendly and welcoming people ... until they've had enough of hordes of migrants pouring in, taking advantage, and pissing all over their generosity. So, uh, what was your point again about protests coming mainly from "shithole places that rarely see a single non-White migrant"?

So they are majority in 3 out of 4 schools then? HOW DOES THE MATH WORK?

Are you literally retarded?

hOw DoEs ThE mAtH wOrK??

 

[MarV0]

No need to experience the negative effects of mass immigration to be against it. Just the simple fact that the native population of a country is firmly on its way to becoming a minority is enough for me. That's just not right. At some point we've got to say: this has to stop, no further. We're talking about cultural self-preservation here.

White British children are minority at one in four schools

Department for Education figures follow predictions that white Britons will be a minority in the next 40 years

www.telegraph.co.uk

The thing is there are tons of minority groups in the UK and those groups despise each other, they have never ever managed to co exist peacefully in any part of the world.

People think that the incoming "culture war" will be between traditional white Europeans and immigrants but they couldn't be more wrong. Fighting between minority groups has already started in Europe and as those minority groups become larger it'll only get worse, far worse.

I won't be in the UK anymore when the "culture wars" between immigrant groups properly kick-off and neither should you.

 

[yurinka]

12 year old kid being gang raped by illegal immigrants = not our problem

Here in Spain we're having a similar issue of massive immigration, mostly illegal from mainly North Africa, spiking proportionally pick pocket, agressions or sexual assaults.

When looking at nationality stats many of them count as nationals because got the nationality from being born here, but when looking at origin there's a huge unbalance with people from North Africa/Muslims countries (not from other big foreign populations we have like Latin Americans or Chinese), proportionally making these types of crimes 4-5x times more than local people and making like three quarters of the total.

When the guy is whie and local they show him in the news, mentioning his nationality when he has local nationality, and only showing him if he's white. Laws are specially relaxed so they continously repeat the crimes, and aren't deported as should.

Almost all that illegal immigration are males in military age.

So yes, it's a planned (from an elite who seems to hate Christians and Muslims, guess who) invasion and replacement who has bribed/controls local governments and big media.

But hey, if you complain about girls being raped you're a nazi and racist.

France has 6 MILLION of Muslims. 10% of the population.

Bullshit, they must be way more. That number must not be counting the ones already born ones, some cities are full of them.

In Spain they quickly grew in recent years to around 15-20% of the population and you see way less of them in the streets than in France. In fact, many of the ones are Spain as transition to later go to France.

So the only correlation between immigrants = voting for the far-right is found in the very South

In Spain some of the ones who more loudly ask to be more strict and kick out of the country foreigners who commit crimes are the immigrants from their regions.

The north africans or latin american who cause no issue here, that have a job and left their countries to escape from these folks like latin gangs.

Because they know the stigma would end afecting them too.

 

[Three]

You really don't understand the concept of proportionality, do you? Typical of someone who spams the racism card in every one of their posts.

Do you? Those are "Asains" for Greater Manchester Police specifically. Where these gangs existed. Guess the Asian population in Greater Manchaster? ~15%. So even with this massive scandal in that area it was not proportionaly that much higher.

 

[kruis]

So they are majority in 3 out of 4 schools then? HOW DOES THE MATH WORK?

Are you willingly blind? When I was young (1970-80ies) the population was almost entirely white. I didn't personally know anyone with a foreign/immigration background for the first 18 years of my life.

I now work at a school where white students are a minority and most of the white teachers are in their fifties/sixties. I work in the IT department and the majority of my new, young colleagues have an immigration background. Nothing wrong with that, they're good people, but at the same time I don't want this trend to continue. I don't recognize my country anymore.

BTW I'm getting out of this thread, it's a good, even necessary discussion but this has nothing to do with gaming.

 

[clarky]

got my dinghy ready to sail to poland

don't shoot me plz

also if anyone can link any polish handouts i can get thnxs

Thank god, thought you'd never fuck off.

 

[FireFly]

No need to experience the negative effects of mass immigration to be against it. Just the simple fact that the native population of a country is firmly on its way to becoming a minority is enough for me. That's just not right. At some point we've got to say: this has to stop, no further. We're talking about cultural self-preservation here.

White British children are minority at one in four schools

Department for Education figures follow predictions that white Britons will be a minority in the next 40 years

www.telegraph.co.uk

With the fertility rate falling to 1.44, far below the population replacement level (2.1), the "native" population will disappear by itself.

 

[DaciaJC]

Do you? Those are "Asains" for Greater Manchester Police specifically. Where these gangs existed. Guess the Asian population in Greater Manchaster? ~15%. So even with this massive scandal in that area it was not proportionaly that much higher.

From the horse's mouth:

Baroness Casey's audit examined local level data in 3 police force areas. Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire and South Yorkshire where high profile cases involving Pakistani-heritage men have long been investigated and reported – and there they found the suspects of group-based child sexual offences were disproportionately likely to be Asian men.

She also found indications of disproportionality in serious case reviews.

[...]

I warned in January that the data collection we had inherited from the previous government on ethnicity was completely inadequate. That data was only collected on 37% of suspects.

[...]

In the local data that the audit examined from 3 police forces they identify clear evidence of over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men. And she refers to "examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions".

And from the article you quoted:

According to the report, GMP's figures showed that 52% of suspects involved in multi-victim/multi-offender cases of child sexual exploitation over a three-year period were Asian, compared with 38% who were white.

So,

1) by your own admission, "Asians" were over-represented in CSA generally;
2) "Asians" were heavily over-represented in group-based CSA;
3) ethnicity data for CSA crimes is grossly lacking in part due to "fear of appearing racist" on the part of government agencies and services, thus the proportion of "Asian" offenders in CSA is almost certainly underestimated, perhaps to a very significant degree.

Ah, clearly there's nothing amiss here at all, anyone who objects to the contrary is just a fear-mongering racist!

 

[Brigandier]

I was told you need ID for Discord in UK now is this really true?

 

[Three]

From the horse's mouth:


And from the article you quoted:


So,

1) by your own admission, "Asians" were over-represented in CSA generally;
2) "Asians" were heavily over-represented in group-based CSA;
3) ethnicity data for CSA crimes is grossly lacking in part due to "fear of appearing racist" on the part of government agencies and services, thus the proportion of "Asian" offenders in CSA is almost certainly underestimated, perhaps to a very significant degree.

Ah, clearly there's nothing amiss here at all, anyone who objects to the contrary is just a fear-mongering racist!

You're presenting different data. yours is for suspects involved in multi-victim/multi-offender cases of child sexual exploitation over a three-year period. Ie data for the grooming gangs.

The data I presented and what you called disproportionate:
"When examining suspects for all child sex abuse crimes, not just grooming, the same force's data shows that 16% were Asian and 44% were white, while 32% of suspects were of "unknown" ethnicity"

Is in fact proportionate to the population.

 

[Facism]

So remember when this was about the Online Safety Act 2025

 

[Bernardougf]

Re-read what you wrote.

Main opposition to immigration, or migration comes from middle-of-nowhere Shit-Upon-Thames small towns of 10,000 people.

Migrants don't want to go there. They want to go to London/Paris/Berlin, where they won't stick as sore thumb and possibly also have enough illegal (non-declared) work to support themselves.

Yet it is still these small towns that are opposed to them, not cosmopolitan centers like London. Again, these are the shithole places that will rarely see a single non-White migrant.

It's not political, it's people being scared by the media to think their country is being invaded by others.

Well its their country also .. so I would say they have a say in it ... and what happens in the big large important Cities usually dictates the course of the country in the future.

Anyway wont dwell in politics like I said.. and yes it is political. So Im out. Dont want to get banned.

 

[calico]

No need to experience the negative effects of mass immigration to be against it. Just the simple fact that the native population of a country is firmly on its way to becoming a minority is enough for me. That's just not right. At some point we've got to say: this has to stop, no further. We're talking about cultural self-preservation here.

White British children are minority at one in four schools

Department for Education figures follow predictions that white Britons will be a minority in the next 40 years

www.telegraph.co.uk

Exactly right. We are speedrunning cultural suicide and subjugation. Many cultures have had this imposed upon them by external forces (military defeat), but we must be the first people in history stupid enough to choose to subject our children to the will of a foreign hostile culture.

We have already sacrificed freedom of speech, a free press and the physical safety of children in order to accommodate these guests of the government. Jury trials are to be next it seems. The cornerstones of our society which our ancestors struggled for hundreds of years to attain -and which ironically are what created the handful of nations the whole world wants to move to in the first place- are being sacrificed in return for what? A small elite benefits from the severe depression of wages mass immigration causes, while being able to afford to not have to live around the catastrophic consequences (it is not their children being stabbed and raped). The same elite which coincidentally has imposed the policy in direct opposition to the will of the British people for decades.

 

[NT80]

I said "forming their own parties", man. Pay attention. Both Rishi Sunak and Suella Braverman are members of the Conservative Party. That's not what I meant.

Poland joined the EU in 2004, over 21 years ago. I can tell you exactly why so many Poles moved to the UK back then. I was one of them, going there summer after summer to work. At the time, 1 GBP was worth around 7 PLN, while wages and the cost of living in Poland were both very low. You could work in the West and come back with enough money to build your own house within a couple of years. For many, it was a no-brainer.

But now, two decades later, the tables have turned. Just look at the GDP per capita back then, compare it to now, and check the predictions for the next 10 years. I do not hate the UK. I have met some of my favorite people there. But I do hate what the British has allowed to happen to their country. You are being overrun, replaced, and outbred in your own home. The demographic shift is already happening. And it's just a matter of time until, one by one, Poles start coming back home.

I know what you meant but if they and those with the same mind set in the Conservative party that aren't white formed their own party why would their policies be different? It's there values that count not just their skin colour. What would white native Corbyn and the hard left be like in power or even worse the Green Party? They seem to be absolute lunatics.

 

[clarky]

Petition: Repeal the Online Safety Act

We want the Government to repeal the Online Safety act.

petition.parliament.uk

400k signatures and counting.

 

[Alebrije]

UK returning to monarchy slowly..or maybe they never left it.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I know what you meant but if they and those with the same mind set in the Conservative party that aren't white formed their own party why would their policies be different? It's there values that count not just their skin colour. What would white native Corbyn and the hard left be like in power or even worse the Green Party? They seem to be absolute lunatics.

MarV0 already gave an example in this thread.

Way ahead of you:

https://www.aimislam.com/

They are super organised and laser focused. They've managed to win every election they've set their eyes on through targeted voting.

 

[clarky]

MarV0 already gave an example in this thread.

They certainly look like they have conservative principles lol.

 

[Madserb2023]

I love when people use polls in areas that have a high level of immigrants as proof that people who live amongst immigrants are more pro immigrant. So immigrants like immigrants then. So any area that is majority non white is more happy with non whites. No shit. You do realize you are asking immigrants if they like immigrants.

 

[calico]

I love when people use polls in areas that have a high level of immigrants as proof that people who live amongst immigrants are more pro immigrant.

Bingo. It's areas where they have already taken over and areas which don't have to deal with the reality of it where support is high. In those latter areas it costs nothing to virtue signal support for it.

Reminds me of Martha's Vineyard where they are all for it, then as soon as some got dropped off there they called the military in and had them all removed immediately. These people support the idea of it, just so long as they aren't the ones who have to live with the reality of it.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

UK returning to monarchy slowly..or maybe they never left it.

Fuck the royals

King Charles III: Quotes that capture his admiration for Islam and Muslims | Islam Channel

King Charles III has long been fascinated by Islam and Muslims — and he has made several public speeches in support of the community

islamchannel.tv

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Did Elon buy Neogaf as well? This shit reads like some fucking twitter thread.
Casual xenophobia and shit...
I blame the end of the console wars

 

[NT80]

MarV0 already gave an example in this thread.

MarV0 already gave an example in this thread.

That's what I meant. That's an ideology. Many from abroad don't share that ideology. It's paranoid hyperbole to think that sort of thing is going to become mainstream in any way.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

That's what I meant. That's an ideology. Many from abroad don't share that ideology. It's paranoid hyperbole to think that sort of thing is going to become mainstream in any way.

Not in the current demographics, but the demographics are changing. It was explained on the last page or the one before, so I won't repeat it.

 

[Neff]

Fuck the royals

Say what you will about Charlie but Liz would never have allowed the country to come apart at the seams like this.

 

[Madserb2023]

Bingo. It's areas where they have already taken over and areas which don't have to deal with the reality of it where support is high. In those latter areas it costs nothing to virtue signal support for it.

Reminds me of Martha's Vineyard where they are all for it, then as soon as some got dropped off there they called the military in and had them all removed immediately. These people support the idea of it, just so long as they aren't the ones who have to live with the reality of it.

Its not even that. You are literally asking immigrants their views on immigrants. Guess what, parts of Ukraine that have more Russians living there are more pro Russian. The Ukrainians just need to be around more Russians. They use this logic for absolutely nothing else. That's not even going into Simultaneously talking about pro immigration and white flight.

 

[NT80]

Not in the current demographics, but the demographics are changing. It was explained on the last page or the one before, so I won't repeat it.

That doesn't mean things are going to continue in that way far into the future to the extent that they could crowd out everyone else and win an election. That's a sheer fantasy. There's more chance of self aware AI taking over in the future.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

That doesn't mean things are going to continue in that way far into the future to the extent that they could crowd out everyone else and win an election. That's a sheer fantasy. There's more chance of self aware AI taking over in the future.

Even if you shut the border completely today, it's already too late. They will outbreed the native population, whose birthrate is abysmal. It's just a matter of time. You would need very drastic measures, which will never gain any traction with the very liberal and welcoming Brits. It's basically a frog in a pot being cooked slowly kind of situation.

And no, modern so-called 'AI' is not going to take over anything. It is just a language model predicting the next word in a sentence, extremely good at Googling things. Nothing intelligent about it.

 

[Madserb2023]

They

That doesn't mean things are going to continue in that way far into the future to the extent that they could crowd out everyone else and win an election. That's a sheer fantasy. There's more chance of self aware AI taking over in the future.

They said the same in Lebanon. The greatest irony of all for left wingers is that's how Israel happened. It was a gradual movement of Jews from the mid 19th century for about 100 years until there was enough. It didn't happen overnight. Kosovo is the same. Cyprus as well. The onus is on those who are supportive of it to explain why we in the West are divine not to experience demographic changes.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Casual xenophobia and shit...

I really dislike how the original meaning of this word, which referred to fear of the foreign or unfamiliar and is a natural human instinct, has been distorted to now cover everything from hatred to racism and beyond.

It's natural to be cautious when encountering the unfamiliar or unknown. People who don't know Islam might fear it, but do you know who fears it even more? Those who truly know Islam.

 

[MarV0]

That doesn't mean things are going to continue in that way far into the future to the extent that they could crowd out everyone else and win an election. That's a sheer fantasy. There's more chance of self aware AI taking over in the future.

Not so long ago no one would have imagined the current garbage London Mayor in power but he's been in charge since 2016.

Things have been changing rapidly. You actually don't even need to be anywhere close to a majority when your people target vote.

 

[3liteDragon]

third world shithole

 

[Madserb2023]

I really dislike how the original meaning of this word, which referred to fear of the foreign or unfamiliar and is a natural human instinct, has been distorted to now cover everything from hatred to racism and beyond.

It's natural to be cautious when encountering the unfamiliar or unknown. People who don't know Islam might fear it, but do you know who fears it even more? Those who truly know Islam.

Xenophobia is my favorite word. I spam it everytime they mention anything negative about the Taliban.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I really dislike how the original meaning of this word, which referred to fear of the foreign or unfamiliar and is a natural human instinct, has been distorted to now cover everything from hatred to racism and beyond.

It's natural to be cautious when encountering the unfamiliar or unknown. People who don't know Islam might fear it, but do you know who fears it even more? Those who truly know Islam.

I'm an atheist my man, I find all religions fucking pathetic.

The xenophobia comment is more about this weird obsession of wanting some homogeneous society of all X (replace X with whatever skin color or ethnic background).

 

[NT80]

Even if you shut the border completely today, it's already too late. They will outbreed the native population, whose birthrate is abysmal. It's just a matter of time. You would need very drastic measures, which will never gain any traction with the very liberal and welcoming Brits. It's basically a frog in a pot being cooked slowly kind of situation.

And no, modern so-called 'AI' is not going to take over anything. It is just a language model predicting the next word in a sentence, extremely good at Googling things. Nothing intelligent about it.

That's is still a paranoid delusion to think that's going to come even close to happening. There are so many factors involved going into the far future.
What do you mean language model predicting AI? There's far more to it than just that.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I'm an atheist my man, I find all religions fucking pathetic.

The xenophobia comment is more about this weird obsession of wanting some homogeneous society of all X (replace X with whatever skin color or ethnic background).

The entire Western civilisation is built on Christian values. You might not believe in God, but at least appreciate what we have.

There are many benefits to having a homogeneous culture. It does not mean skin color, so do not confuse the two. It is a broad topic that includes things like unified identity and purpose, high social trust, lower internal conflict and the preservation of heritage and language, just to name a few. In other words, diversity is not our strength.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

That's is still a paranoid delusion to think that's going to come even close to happening. There are so many factors involved going into the far future.

Reading data from a graph and recognizing trends is not delusion. Delusion is refusing to accept hard data. Check the entire thread if you haven't already.

What do you mean language model predicting AI? There's far more to it than just that.

In the words of ChatGPT itself (when asked how LLM works):

'Imagine a super-charged autocomplete that finishes your sentence based on trillions of patterns it saw before — but without knowing what's actually true or false. It's guessing — just very, very well.'

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

The entire Western civilisation is built on Christian values. You might not believe in God, but at least appreciate what we have.

There are many benefits to having a homogeneous culture. It does not mean skin color, so do not confuse the two. It is a broad topic that includes things like unified identity and purpose, high social trust, lower internal conflict and the preservation of heritage and language, just to name a few. In other words, diversity is not our strength.

It's built on anything but christian values, it's built on greek philosophy, built on roman civilizational advance, built on iberian exploration of new continents and maritime routes around the world (and yes colonization), it's built on humanism, on the values of the renaissance, on democracy, on science. And to get where we are now, it had to fight and defeat all the repressive religious dogma and institutions.

The freedom and values you enjoy now and call west came from the defeat of that religious repression, which is exactly what Islam as the main other expansionary religion never went through especially in the middle east.

The amazing wealth, development and freedom we enjoy in most of the western world came despite religion, not because of and diversity is definitely a strength.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

It's built on anything but christian values, it's built on greek philosophy, built on roman civilizational advance, built on iberian exploration of new continents and maritime routes around the world (and yes colonization), it's built on humanism, on the values of the renaissance, on democracy, on science. And to get where we are now, it had to fight and defeat all the repressive religious dogma and institutions.

The freedom and values you enjoy now and call west came from the defeat of that religious repression, which is exactly what Islam as the main other expansionary religion never went through especially in the middle east.

The amazing wealth, development and freedom we enjoy in most of the western world came despite religion, not because of and diversity is definitely a strength.

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that Christianity played a major role, particularly in shaping the moral frameworks, institutions, art, and laws of Western culture, is not even worth discussing with.

So long, comrade.

 

[iHaunter]

Truly a nanny state.

Now the gov will be aware of the work around, poor chaps.

Porn is blocked in most red states. What're you going on about?

 

[NT80]

Reading data from a graph and recognizing trends is not delusion. Delusion is refusing to accept hard data. Check the entire thread if you haven't already.



In the words of ChatGPT itself (when asked how LLM works):

'Imagine a super-charged autocomplete that finishes your sentence based on trillions of patterns it saw before — but without knowing what's actually true or false. It's guessing — just very, very well.'

Data on a limited period doesn't can't really tell how things will turn out in the distant future especially if things are unlikely to continue as they have done. How many of those people coming in even have this hard line Islamic view and could form a party with power?
How is ChatGPT the be all and end all of AI and what it will do in the future?

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that Christianity played a major role, particularly in shaping the moral frameworks, institutions, art, and laws of Western culture, is not even worth discussing with.

So long, comrade.

No one said it didn't influence art or culture, read what I said and learn something. Or don't, thankfully we're not in the middle ages and people are persecuted for thinking differently as it used to be the case. You're supposed to be Polish, so learn more about Kopernik "comrade"

 

[calico]

'Multiculturalism' (more accurately named Dividedculturalism) is essentially a nonsensical term. It's like saying 'unshared shared beliefs and behaviours'. If a society has 'many cultures' it has an absence of culture. It has rejected the concept of culture and reverted to a pre-culture form. It is the antithesis of why societies naturally develop a culture in the first place.

 

[NT80]

Yet the UK government has (and still is) knowingly turning a blind eye to foreign grooming gangs.

12 year old kid seeing boobies online = bad
12 year old kid being gang raped by illegal immigrants = not our problem

It was disgraceful when it happened but where are they still continuing to turn a blind eye to it?

 

[FireFly]

'Multiculturalism' (more accurately named Dividedculturalism) is essentially a nonsensical term. It's like saying 'unshared shared beliefs and behaviours'. If a society has 'many cultures' it has an absence of culture. It has rejected the concept of culture and reverted to a pre-culture form. It is the antithesis of why societies naturally develop a culture in the first place.

Even in a supposedly mono-cultural society there will be different sub-cultures that are not "shared" and reflect membership of a particular community or group. So it's really just a question of how "thick" the outer layer of culture is.

 

[calico]

It's built on anything but christian values, it's built on greek philosophy, built on roman civilizational advance, built on iberian exploration of new continents and maritime routes around the world (and yes colonization), it's built on humanism, on the values of the renaissance, on democracy, on science. And to get where we are now, it had to fight and defeat all the repressive religious dogma and institutions.

The freedom and values you enjoy now and call west came from the defeat of that religious repression, which is exactly what Islam as the main other expansionary religion never went through especially in the middle east.

The amazing wealth, development and freedom we enjoy in most of the western world came despite religion, not because of and diversity is definitely a strength.

You are the fish that doesn't know it's in water.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

No one said it didn't influence art or culture, read what I said and learn something. Or don't, thankfully we're not in the middle ages and people are persecuted for thinking differently as it used to be the case. You're supposed to be Polish, so learn more about Kopernik "comrade"

You said that Western civilisation is 'built on anything but Christian values', which is obviously bullshit, so you're not worth anyone's time.

It's okay not to believe in anything, but being that ignorant is completely unacceptable.

Data on a limited period doesn't can't really tell how things will turn out in the distant future especially if things are unlikely to continue as they have done. How many of those people coming in even have this hard line Islamic view and could form a party with power?
How is ChatGPT the be all and end all of AI and what it will do in the future?

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. We have reliable data going back to the 1940s. There's no such thing as 'hard line Islam'. There's just Islam. You'd better start studying the Quran.

 

[Madserb2023]

It's built on anything but christian values, it's built on greek philosophy, built on roman civilizational advance, built on iberian exploration of new continents and maritime routes around the world (and yes colonization), it's built on humanism, on the values of the renaissance, on democracy, on science. And to get where we are now, it had to fight and defeat all the repressive religious dogma and institutions.

The freedom and values you enjoy now and call west came from the defeat of that religious repression, which is exactly what Islam as the main other expansionary religion never went through especially in the middle east.

The amazing wealth, development and freedom we enjoy in most of the western world came despite religion, not because of and diversity is definitely a strength.

I am an atheist but this is nonsense. Of course the beliefs of millions of people over 1500 years or so shaped how we think. The question is why did the enlightenment happen in Europe and not the Middle East. You are one of those people who would argue with Isaac Newton about his beliefs and what drove him.

 

[IDKFA]

Reading data from a graph and recognizing trends is not delusion. Delusion is refusing to accept hard data. Check the entire thread if you haven't already.



In the words of ChatGPT itself (when asked how LLM works):

'Imagine a super-charged autocomplete that finishes your sentence based on trillions of patterns it saw before — but without knowing what's actually true or false. It's guessing — just very, very well.'

I just put that response into Chat GPT and asked if it was an accurate description. Chat GPT said it was almost correct, but:

What it misses (not wrong, just omitted):

I can use tools, browse, do math, or call APIs — which makes me more than a static language generator.

I've been fine-tuned with human feedback, so my "guesses" are optimized to align with what people want or expect.

I can perform complex reasoning, even if it's not conscious or grounded in real understanding.

So a little more advanced than a language generator.