feynoob
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That is a dead giveaway.
Any day1 gamepass game would have topped that list.
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UK Gaming Market Report 2022: Console Share, Digital/Physical Software, Best-Selling Games, & Accessories
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Any day1 gamepass game would have topped that list.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I don't think that's true.
They may count that as players who played the game, but counting them as "sales" does not make sense.
Mephisto40
Member
When gamepass first released, there were articles out there that said Microsoft were using downloads on their subscription service to fudge their sales numbers, unfortunately I'm unable to find the articles as this was a while ago, but I destinctly remeber it happening
If I remember rightly, their argument at the time was that the money they gave the developers to get the games on gamepass were based on an estimate of expected downloads, and therefore they were classed as sales when somebody downloaded the game
Weather this is still the case I have no idea
feynoob
Banned
Right now they are using those numbers as userbase, since they shifted away from sales numbers to userbase numbers.
It's why we see those player base count alot from them.
XXL
Member
Just an FYI
There was a rumor that Xbox has had their marketing budget cut.
https://www.purexbox.com/news/2023/...edly-reduced-in-the-wake-of-microsoft-layoffs
BTW, this is the same guy who said that if MS doesn't aquire Activision, that they might sell Xbox off.
https://www.purexbox.com/features/talking-point-could-you-ever-see-microsoft-selling-the-xbox-brand
I have no idea if this is true.
But, I have been wondering if Xbox is trying to buy AB to replace the Xbox management with the AB management, as AB management knows what they are doing.
All of this information seems to line up, from the marketing cuts, hiring freeze and mass lay offs.
There was a rumor that Xbox has had their marketing budget cut.
https://www.purexbox.com/news/2023/...edly-reduced-in-the-wake-of-microsoft-layoffs
BTW, this is the same guy who said that if MS doesn't aquire Activision, that they might sell Xbox off.
https://www.purexbox.com/features/talking-point-could-you-ever-see-microsoft-selling-the-xbox-brand
I have no idea if this is true.
But, I have been wondering if Xbox is trying to buy AB to replace the Xbox management with the AB management, as AB management knows what they are doing.
All of this information seems to line up, from the marketing cuts, hiring freeze and mass lay offs.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Isn't MS always talking about player count and MAUs or some other bullshit statistic than a sale.
feynoob
Banned
That is their new slogan, since they don't share sales.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
You necrophiliac.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It kinda depends on how long you leave them before digging them up, too long and it's probably hard to recognize them.
I was just joking here Bo no offense intended, and incase you arn't aware that woman in your gif is as dead as physical game sales.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
You read that Steam 50.5% all wrongIsn't it the biggest EU market for video games? Maybe is because of that, more sales, more interest in getting data
As for the topic:
"Most Popular Digital Software Stores
1st: wow, didn't know physical PC games existed to this day and would have 50% of the market, thought it was 100% digital
- Steam is #1 with a 50.5% share
- PlayStation is #2 with a 37.9% share
- Xbox is #3 with 18.9% share"
2nd: thought Xbox ecosystem was more skewed digital since the X360 days, it's this related to current gen only or 8th + 9th gen?
That's not 50% of PC that's 50% of digital stores ( Steam , PSN & Xbox/Microsoft digital stores)
You read that Steam 50.5% all wrong
That's not 50% of PC that's 50% of digital stores ( Steam , PSN & Xbox/Microsoft digital stores)
Yeah,
Heisenberg007
corrected me before, also forgot there are other PC stores as well 
Can we talk about this now?
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game...ox-scarlett-or-will-they-wait-it-out.1508392/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game...ox-scarlett-or-will-they-wait-it-out.1508392/
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The whole Jim Ryan's "we believe in generations" seemed to have worked. It helped move people to their next generation console.
MasterCornholio
Member
Damn Sony.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I don't think most are ready for this conversation yet. They are waiting for Redfall first. But me, you, and a few others already know what time it is with Gamepass.
Given how toxic Kotick is I find it doubtful. They'll make nice till the deal goes through or is denied then replace him with someone that checks all the woke crowd boxes.Just an FYI
There was a rumor that Xbox has had their marketing budget cut.
https://www.purexbox.com/news/2023/...edly-reduced-in-the-wake-of-microsoft-layoffs
BTW, this is the same guy who said that if MS doesn't aquire Activision, that they might sell Xbox off.
https://www.purexbox.com/features/talking-point-could-you-ever-see-microsoft-selling-the-xbox-brand
I have no idea if this is true.
But, I have been wondering if Xbox is trying to buy AB to replace the Xbox management with the AB management, as AB management knows what they are doing.
All of this information seems to line up, from the marketing cuts, hiring freeze and mass lay offs.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Yeah, it's pretty damn obvious now. I personally don't think its a bad thing because I'm loving the service..if it goes away it goes away. Why would anyone buy games at launch on xbox that are included in game pass. Doesn't make sense.
I will purchase games in a sale and buy dlc if the game is good though.
Up till now there really was no pressing push for PS4 owners to upgrade to PS5, almost everything was released on PS4 and PS5, perhaps Hogwarts is the first of these due to the time delay for the PS4/xb1 versions. The game library for the PS4 isn't lacking by any means, should have a long tail content wise.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Jesus, those cannibalized software sales.
Microsoft jumped the gun with Gamepass it's something that will be needed at some point in the future but looking at how much games are selling now on other platforms vs Xbox One & Xbox Series it's clear it was bad timing.
Halo 2 sold 8 million on the OG Xbox with only 24 million userbase , Halo 3 sold 12 million on Xbox 360 , Halo 4 & Halo: Reach both sold 9 million on Xbox 360
Halo 5 sold 5 million on Xbox One but we're not hearing about how much Halo Infinity is selling on Xbox One + Xbox Series + PC
In the OG Xbox & Xbox 360 days PlayStation had no match for Halo or Gears Of War but now if a PlayStation game comes out & only sell as good as Halo or Gears of War it's a flop .
Days Gone sold 8 million let that sink in "Days Gone sold 8 million!" Halo & Gears of war haven't sold 8 million in the last 2 generations .
XXL
Member
Agreed. Kotick aside, there are lot of people at Activision who make things happen aside from Kotick. I'm talking upper management as a whole.
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ChorizoPicozo
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And who here thinks Starfield shouldn't do GOW:R numbers this year? It should easily do 10 million in sales quickly. But will MS even release the numbers if GamePass eats away at those sales?
Fess
Member
For many it’s the reality, like for me. I get enough games through Gamepass, simple as that. The games that don’t go up there I can wait for a late release or sale or buy elsewhere where they run better or have mods.
I could see a gamepass subscriber number surge but can't see a game selling 10 or even 5 million if it's on a $10 or $15 a month subscription service. I'll prob reactivate my PC gamepass with a $1 trial to check it out.
feynoob
Banned
99% of day 1 games don't get dropped on gamepass.
And those that do are small, or have gotten their sales already.
This is just trolling at its finest.
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Seems like reasonable logic to me. If he has more games than he knows what to do with, gamepass alone plus discretionary buys of games that never come to gp, after the initial launch date and once it's way cheaper in pricing seems like prudent fiscal management.
Fess
Member
We’ll see player numbers like with Forza Horizon 5, I doubt we’ll see sales numbers. But it’s a Bethesda game, I’ll do best on Steam, looking at concurrent players there should be interesting, iirc it’s the most wishlisted game there.
feynoob
Banned
So you are saying that he shouldnt buy any of those new games, and hope it gets dropped on gamepass (even though the odds are low).
Look at 2022 games. Only few AAA got dropped on gamepass. Games like Valhalla, cyberpunk 2077 have yet to drop on the service.
We can have this conversation once those games have gamepass appearance.
Fess
Member
Trolling? Zero trolling here. It’s no different than how many use Netflix and Disney+ etc, it’s not like I bought Wakanda Forever to see it. I can double check if you want but I think the last full priced game I bought on Xbox was Assassin’s Creed Valhalla, on Xbox One. I’ve bought DLC though, FH5 Hot Wheels, looking forward to the FH5 Rally expansion too, that’s where I put my money nowdays on Xbox.
I did go outside this strategy for a bit and bought Hogwarts Legacy though, but got a refund since it ran better on PS5 where I bought it instead.
pasterpl
Member
These hardware sales compared to physical software sales tell interesting story. Xbox only 57k units behind playstation with GoW Ragnarok and all marketing deals is not a bad result for MS.
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Yes the appeal of gp is based on the library and new additions. When I first signed up for pc gp there was a ton of new games for me to play, flight simulator, Forza, f1. However like Netflix you can eventually play through the library and then perhaps take a few months or in this case years off until there's another batch of "new" content.
Cheezewizz
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I'm not so sure it's clear that they jumped the gun. I'd be more inclined to agree if it's subs and revenue figures were lower.
Halo 5 sold 5 million within 4 months. Most estimates have it at 9-10 million overall.
What? Halo 5 definitely sold more than 8 million. Gears 5 did as well. While it's not all that impressive to sell on par with a game like Days Gone. It's important to note that they did so on a significantly less popular console. Which makes Days Gone attach rate pretty bad.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Come on man. That's 100% due to the lack of PS5 supply for the first 6 months. We all understand and know this.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yeah I thought those Halo 5 numbers was low but that actually help with my point because it was before Gamepass . About Days Gone it's still Days Gone vs Xbox biggest games (That they didn't buy after they became big)
feynoob
Banned
It was not intended for you.
If you have more than 1 console, you will have the option to spread your purchases around.(I bought elden ring on Xbox, HL on steam and good sales savings on PS5)
However, If you are a single console user you don't have the luxury of buying those games on other platforms. So you have to buy those on that console.
I wonder if people will say the same thing to PS+ premium like they are doing with gamepass.
Even though it doesn't have day1 games, it's still getting those monthly games on their service, plus first party games too(though randomly).
lukilladog
Member
I think game companies are directly sucking tax payer pounds through certain programs over there so they might be forced to disclose certain information.
Pelta88
Member
There was a clip going around on twitter recently of Jez claiming Microsoft insiders want to get rid of XBOX. I watched the podcast which was time stamped and he expanded on the point. He claims inside Redmond shareholders think XBOX's efforts in gaming are a waste of resources.
I was surprised by his insights.
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Fess
Member
For what it’s worth I used Premium the exact same way as GP at the service launch. Played Returnal that way, Miles Morales, Days Gone, Shadow of the Colossus, couple other games I had been in the fence for. I’m consistent. If I can skip a purchase I 100% will. No shame, been gaming since the early 80s so I think I’ve contributed enough to the industry survival at this point. It just sucks that Sony delays their PS+ releases so it’ll take a strong mind to wait it out, and I don’t have that. One of my number 1 wishes for the future is day 1 releases on PS+. As it is I just end up buying the games I would otherwise be excited about when announced for the service, the equation just doesn’t work for me, goes for the late PC releases as well, I’ve usually already played the games when they come to PC. Haven’t bought TLOUp1 at least, proud about that, will jump in on Steam there instead.
feynoob
Banned
They wanted to do that since Xbox one.
Those shareholders don't care about gaming aside of profits.
Baki
Member
I'm waiting on TLOU P1 to be added to PS+ Premium. I refuse to pay for a game for the 3rd time.
PS5 was the only next-gen console to have PS5 only exclusives from Day 1. Out of the 12 games they've released, half of them have been PS5 only games.
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Eotheod
Member
I'd argue that Game Pass is a great addition to the Xbox suite of reasons to buy into their ecosystem, and it seems developers are enjoying it as well. I mean, if the system didn't work then Sony wouldn't be getting into it either, though that may have more to do with Sony by default through number leverage being default winner that they can make up in physical sales.
I just don't see any issue with Game Pass yet, I don't see any sky falling reasons to believe it is bad and there is no current signs of it waning in popularity yet. I could wager the reason for lower physical sales is both lower playerbase in general and that Game Pass just offers too much value which is good. Realistically, a higher playerbase would probably see a larger physical audience but also a larger digital audience.
Until developers stop releasing games on the store, I see Game Pass as succeeding in what it intended to do, which is becoming the go-to for Xbox players to get games. The cyclical nature allows people to grab it cheaper if they still want to keep playing, or move onto something else. I guess maybe sales charts suffer, and then these threads become less useful?
I just don't see any issue with Game Pass yet, I don't see any sky falling reasons to believe it is bad and there is no current signs of it waning in popularity yet. I could wager the reason for lower physical sales is both lower playerbase in general and that Game Pass just offers too much value which is good. Realistically, a higher playerbase would probably see a larger physical audience but also a larger digital audience.
Until developers stop releasing games on the store, I see Game Pass as succeeding in what it intended to do, which is becoming the go-to for Xbox players to get games. The cyclical nature allows people to grab it cheaper if they still want to keep playing, or move onto something else. I guess maybe sales charts suffer, and then these threads become less useful?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But Sony hasn't really "gotten" into it either yet. GamePass is mainly known for Day 1 releases being day and date on the service.
Goalus
Member
Tales from your behind?
