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[GHG]

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All Corbyn needed was that little bit of American bite ala Bernie. Really sad we're losing him...

Didn't pretty much all of the northern Labour areas vote leave?

 

[Slime]

So being American, my only knowledge about Votes of No Confidence comes from The Phantom Menace. Does this mean Corbyn is out?

It can't force anything, but it's intended to pressure him to resign. The only way to force him into an election is if 20% of MPs and MEPs backs a leadership rival, and given this the results here, it's looking like they'll be able to do that. Obviously they'd prefer he have the dignity to resign himself.

If they formally challenge him, he'd face a leadership election in September at the annual conference.

 

[thequickandthedead]

Who else is fit to be leader? Liz Kendall? Andy fucking Burnham?

Corbyn may not be the best but I'll gladly take him over the other shit candidates

 

[Geist-]

So, let me get this straight, he has no support from government officials, but he'd still win an election?

 

[Sasie]

This is a non-binding motion, but it will likely mean that Corbyn has a period of time (perhaps overnight) to consider his position.

Essentially today's vote just said "80% of us don't think you're the guy".

Corbyn can either resign (which he probably wont by all indications) or that tomorrow there will be an official leadership challenge.

Indications say that talks have begun between the two likely challengers, Angela Eagle and current deputy Tom Watson. and they will decide overnight who will be the person to challenge him

After this, both MPs must have enough votes from their MPs to be placed upon the Leadership ballot. if Corbyn gets enough MP votes for the ballot it's likely that the Labour party members will vote him in as leader again. If that happens, Labour are toast.

Thank you! Turned BBC on a bit earlier but they never explained what it actually meant and seemed to take it for granted that people would know. Sounds like he honestly should resign or the party should split but 80/20 is hardly enough voters left for him to have anyone left if that happens.

 

[theaface]

Just had a news alert saying he intends to stay. The brass balls on him could almost rival Farage's performing at the European Parliament today.

 

[blazinglord]

It can't force anything, but it's intended to pressure him to resign. The only way to force him into an election is if 20% of MPs and MEPs backs a leadership rival, and given this the results here, it's looking like they'll be able to do that. Obviously they'd prefer he have the dignity to resign himself.

If they formally challenge him, he'd face a leadership election in September at the annual conference.

Wow, September?! That's ridiculous.

 

[klonere]

Glorious Leader will see through this dissent. The people will it. They will him straight into a marginal ineffective role in opposition.

Good stuff

 

[kmag]

So, let me get this straight, he has no support from government officials, but he'd still win an election?

He wouldn't win a national election if his platform was to give everyone a million quid and a night of passion with their favourite celebrity.

 

[Jezbollah]

If we do not see a new Labour leader by the end of the week, it will no longer exist as a major political entity after the next election.

 

[maquiladora]

He is refusing to step down after 80% of the his own MP's told him they have no confidence in him....

 

[Honey Bunny]

Who else is fit to be leader? Liz Kendall? Andy fucking Burnham?

Corbyn may not be the best but I'll gladly take him over the other shit candidates

 

[Hazzuh]

If we do not see a new Labour leader by the end of the week, it will no longer exist as a major political entity after the next election.

Don't think the election will be that quick.

 

[blazinglord]

He wouldn't win a national election if his platform was to give everyone a million quid and a night of passion with their favourite celebrity.

Dunno, I'd be tempted to vote for that.

 

[Brinbe]

Like a bizarro version of politics where Bernie and Trump ended up winning leadership.

I guess there's just something about old obstinate lefties that just don't know when to quit lol.

 

[Jezbollah]

Don't think the election will be that quick.

That's the real question isn't it? If by any chance the Tories unify quicker and with a leader that projects to be popular then I can see them calling an election soon...

 

[Tenebrous]

Didn't pretty much all of the northern Labour areas vote leave?

I thought the "Labour Heartlands" voted overwhelmingly to Leave?

Shock results in a few areas are easy to criticize him for after the fact, but overall, he did what was asked of him. If Cameron managed to get the same from the Conservative voters (who I concede were more difficult to convince), then we'd be in... By some margin, too.

 

[jelly]

So, let me get this straight, he has no support from government officials, but he'd still win an election?

Party members votes are what count and anyone can sign up to a party. They aren't MPs, just normal folk.

Corbyn is just unelectable as a PM. Even before all of this. He just isn't a leader or public winner.

 

[Coriolanus]

That's the real question isn't it? If by any chance the Tories unify quicker and with a leader that projects to be popular then I can see them calling an election soon...

After boris imploded, do they even have such a person?
another question is what impact, if any, the chilcot report will have. If corbs can't get people to go all rah rah get incensed by my righteous fureh over that, well....

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who already said that he ain't interested.

Until he indicates that his mind has changed, might as well wish for british obama.

 

[liquidtmd]

Best of 3?

 

[Protome]

I'm kinda surprised anyone would want the job. Even if they are great and Labour win the next election/a snap election there's no stopping Brexit. The next government will be saddled with a collapsing economy and not much they can do about it. I can only assume they want to be able to shape the agreement with the EU to be as favourable to their electorate as possible but it's a bad look regardless, people still blame Gordon Brown for a global recession.

So, let me get this straight, he has no support from government officials, but he'd still win an election?

Labour members, not just government officials, vote in the leadership elections. And it is intentionally very easy to become a Labour member. He won the leadership election pretty overwhelmingly last time and probably would again, despite not being particularly popular to the wider spectrum of voters.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

GIVE ME FUCKING RACHEL REEVES

 

[Hazzuh]

That's the real question isn't it? If by any chance the Tories unify quicker and with a leader that projects to be popular then I can see them calling an election soon...

Looks like the Tories won't have a leader till September so Labour have awhile. It is better to sort it out sooner rather than later though.

 

[Damerman]

I am not surprised his refusal to work with Cameron for the remain vote was bafflingly stupid.

He explicitly refused? If so he fucked up.

 

[Zaph]

To no surprise, Campbell isn't mincing words

 

[CelticKnight]

Shock results in a few areas are easy to criticize him for after the fact, but overall, he did what was asked of him. If Cameron managed to get the same from the Conservative voters (who I concede were more difficult to convince), then we'd be in... By some margin, too.

This is Wales' vote after the 2015 General Election (red is Labour, obviously).

And this is how Wales voted during the Brexit debacle (blue is Leave)

Shock results? He didn't convince a single area (bar Cardiff, and we were the safest bet), and the Welsh valleys bleed Labour.

I'm not saying Cameron isn't to blame as well, the Tories fucked up as much, but Corbyn didn't cover himself in any glory.

 

[JonathanEx]

Do we think Corbyn is now trying to force the party to split? So he keeps the name, Momentum becomes the Labour party itself...

I'm not saying Cameron isn't to blame as well, the Tories fucked up as much, but Corbyn didn't cover himself in any glory.

Plus it's not necessarily the result but also the attitude that's the issue - all the reports that his team watered down the EU speeches, refused to help the Labour In campaign in any meaningful way...

 

[MrS]

This daft bastard needs to swallow his pride and quit. Labour were unelectable 3 months ago when he had everybody's support. Now the party looks like a joke and are becoming more of a shambles with each passing day. Leave now or risk doing irreparable damage.

Why don't Jarvis and Chuka want it? Skeletons in the closet or just can't mentally cope with the pressures of leadership?

 

[Arials]

It's in the best interests of the public for him to step down, he has singularly failed to provide an effective opposition to to Tories.

 

[3Sixty]

Since Labour don't have a chance for years anyway I hope Corbyn sticks it to all of them

 

[Hazzuh]

Corbyn said is his statement that the vote had no constitutional legitimacy... why did he choose to vote in it then?

 

[maquiladora]

Shadow Home Office Minister has just resigned now too.

 

[Izuna]

As far as I'm concerned, he can get fucked. His Eurosceptic bullshit hurt the very people he claimed to want to help. He should have helped mobilise the youth. I know too many people who would say "he doesn't like the EU, his party does."

He hasn't managed to accomplish anything but further divide.

 

[Red Liquorice]

Deliberate sabotage? Does anyone really think that? Seems more like planting that idea in the press is deliberate sabotage. Look, I like Jezza, but I too agree he should probably step down now before it's gets any more of a farce than it already is.

*vomit*

 

[Valhelm]

Poor Jez. Has the Brexit jolted all of Britain to the right?

 

[Zaph]

It's in the best interests of the public for him to step down, he has singularly failed to provide an effective opposition to to Tories.

Opposition is too Westminster for Corbyn

 

[liquidtmd]

Poor Jez. Has the Brexit seems jolted all of Britain to the right?

Brexit has jolted all of Britain to "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING, THE COUNTRY IS BURNING AND YOU'RE HAVING A PISSING CONTEST"

 

[JonathanEx]

Shadow Home Office Minister has just resigned now too.

Hahah wasn't she only appointed on Sunday?

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

https://www.savinglabour.com/index.html

The country needs a strong Labour party.
If you are or are not a member but want a leader of the Labour party that speaks for you, sign up.

 

[Zelias]

Good old Labour. They have an open goal at this point and they're busy trying to tackle each other. Maybe after they've finished knifing Corbyn they'll actually think about trying to provide an effective opposition. Not holding my breath though.

 

[jakonovski]

Seems to me that if Labour politicians can't stomach the leader elected by party members, that's pretty much game over for the party itself.

 

[Par Score]

Labour MPs are totally out of touch with the membership.

They refused to accept the will of the members when we elected the "wrong" person last time, and they will still refuse to accept it if we vote for Corbyn again.

This has nothing to do with The EU Referendum, that's just a convenient smokescreen.

 

[Khoryos]

Deliberate sabotage? Does anyone really think that? Seems more like planting that idea in the press is deliberate sabotage. Look, I like Jezza, but I too agree he should probably step down now before it's gets any more of a farce than it already is.





*vomit*

Has he done something particularly objectionable? I disagree with his vote on the airstrikes, but other than that he seems decent enough.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Never underestimate Labour's ability to waste a good crisis.

 

[LordRaptor]

Rightly or wrongly (

Spoiler

wrongly

) popular opinion on Brexit Remain has been that it is a David Cameron initiative, that David Cameron is personally backing it, and supporting Remain is a vote to support David Cameron.
That's where all the 'heartland' votes went. "Stop Pigfucker".

Even before you get into personal ideologies over whether an 'old labour' politico following in the footsteps of Benn is wrong to refuse to support a non-democratic neo-liberal pure capitalist institution such as the EU, or if efforts should be on "change it from the inside" as per party manifesto, he is still in the position of being leader of the opposition.

 

[Erevador]

Labour has been on borrowed time since Corbyn came into power. They'll have to rebuild themselves from the ground up after this implosion.

 

[liquidtmd]

Rightly or wrongly (

Spoiler

wrongly

) popular opinion on Brexit Remain has been that it is a David Cameron initiative, that David Cameron is personally backing it, and supporting Remain is a vote to support David Cameron.
That's where all the 'heartland' votes went. "Stop Pigfucker".

Even before you get into personal ideologies over whether an 'old labour' politico following in the footsteps of Benn is wrong to refuse to support a non-democratic neo-liberal pure capitalist institution such as the EU, or if efforts should be on "change it from the inside" as per party manifesto, he is still in the position of being leader of the opposition.

Yep this.

He could have made a difference. I'm not saying Corbyn could have changed the end result, but he could have made a damn good dent.

 

[kirblar]

By all indications the guy was a closet Leave supporter nominally supporting the Remain position (the inverse of the conservatives who supported it publicly but privately wanted it to fail.)

You guys/gals over in the UK need a realignment, and you needed it yesterday.

 

[kmag]

Labour MPs are totally out of touch with the membership.

They refused to accept the will of the members when we elected the "wrong" person last time, and they will still refuse to accept it if we vote for Corbyn again.

This has nothing to do with The EU Referendum, that's just a convenient smokescreen.

At this point in the cycle given the advantages he's had of an unloved Tory Government tearing itself to pieces if they were to have any chance of even improving on 2015 they'd need to be polling about 2% higher, given that there could be an election in 4 months they'd be lucky to stay above 200 MP's. MP's aren't daft they know how this works.

 

[zakujanai]

The annoying thing is he's already claimed he'll stand again to be Labour leader and will just win again whilst the party continues to self destruct.

Yeah democratic election results are annoying aren't they.