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UN blames UK politicians for Brexit hate crime spike
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GrizzleBoy
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You don't say.
The Brexit. Part 2. The Brapocalypse.
Time to replace them with the British United Nations.
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I think you mean the United Commonwealth Association!
Someone needs to get that Russia -> Soviet Union Simpsons gif and replace it with a Britain -> British Empire gif.
NekoFever
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Electric Broogaloo
Spring-Loaded
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But racism is solely an American problem
Can we change the thread title by inserting ' America '?
Stallion Dan
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Even the UN is in on "Project Fear"
The Leave vote had nothing to do with racism
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200 votes a day/6000 total complaints. Millions of votes.
For fucks sake.
Of course. Brexit is in the end nothing more than England thinking they should be like the US.
thehypocrite
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But I'm told that not being PC has no consecuence. How do I reconcile facts with my beliefs? Let me ignore the facts and continue on my merry way. /S
Yup, now Nige gets German citizenship and fucks off to the US to blow Trump.
travisbickle
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I'm surprised the person couldn't just cut that sentence out of an individual Daily Mail headline?
MatrixMan.EXE
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Well, yeah. They're fucking morons.
Messofanego
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I'm waiting for someone to pop in here and proclaim that Leave had nothing to do with immigration and they voted for Leave for completely rational and beneficial reasons. It wasn't a protest vote for them, they weren't just lashing against the establishment. And that EU has been meddling with UK affairs for too long or something.
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ClosingADoor
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Stereogatari
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Populism and polarisation are horrible.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Am I the only one who is surprised at who the OP is?
Fair play mate.
Fair play mate.
Paying attention to facts and statistics went out of the window along with listening to experts
Royal_Phalanx
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Leave the UN! Why are these UNELECTED FOREIGNERS telling GREAT BRITAIN what to do!
Royal_Phalanx
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My aunt got told to go back to her own country by a Leave voter. I assume many more would feel the same way towards her.
Stallion Dan
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You're suggesting immigration wasn't a valid reason to vote leave.
Oh wait, let me guess, issues with immigration = you're a racist, right?
Weak.
When the number was so small initially, it easy to get a big percentage increase. That is how it works.
Here is a good percentage, 17,410,742 voted Leave. 6000 complaints. Now lets just swing those complaints in the favour of showing how many racists there must be and say it was 6000 individual people causing the complaints, and not for example, 1000 people causing 6 complaints each to be made. Also that all complaints were caused by people who actually voted.
(6000/17410742)x100 = 0.034% of those who voted Leave caused a racist complaint.
0.034%
What's wrong with immigration?
Not sure on the racist bit, but surely if you think immigration in relation to the EU was a problem, you were focusing on the wrong issue, imo.
Also: let's admit that this vote did generate a massive racism spike, or is that too much to admit?
Succinct Verbosity
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People may think their concerns are legitimate, but it's undeniable that the facts people used to justify an anti-immigration stance in the uk are largely fictitious and certainly any problems that we do have aren't going to be solved by simply leaving the EU.
I can believe some voters were swayed by the leave supporters arguements and truly believed they were facts rather than fearmongering stories that exaborbated a problem rather than helped it.
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What were your problems with immigration? I can think of about three possible alternatives. Firstly, you didn't think there was sufficient public infrastructure, in terms of houses, schooling, hospitals, and so on. If this is the case, I think you have the wrong problem. The average EU immigration gives £1.34 in taxation for every £1 they receive in spending, making them net contributors[1]. That means we can actually afford less public infrastructure if we reduce the number of EU immigrants we have. To the extent that public infrastructure was constrained, the problem was not one of immigration but of politics - governments unwilling to make those investments (particularly Conservative governments), and voting to leave the EU seems like an especially poor idea when the EU provides funds for areas with poor infrastructure that UK governments often wouldn't.
Secondly, you think it affected the wages of low earners due to wage competition. This is true, but caveats apply. Firstly, as above, new immigrants are net contributors. That means there was ample funding able to be spent on retraining and so on, that could have put British workers facing wage competition into better-paying industries. Secondly, the long-term economic ramifications of lower immigration are expected to be worse for low-income workers than reduced wage competition. Over the period 2000-2011, Britain's current immigration levels compared to a hypothetical net 0 migration Britain caused a depression of £0.03 in average hourly pay for unskilled workers, or about £57.6 over the course of a year [2]. This is very much fractional compared to the growth benefits of having access to the single market. So, while pay might be fractionally higher now in the short-run, over the long-run reduced growth prospects mean low earners will be worse off the in the future.
Thirdly, you think it has caused cultural damage, or undermined societal integrity, or something along those lines. This is obviously a much more subjective issue than the two above, but it's noticeable that propensity to vote UKIP was inversely related to the number of immigrants in a given constituency, with high statistical significance. How much people feared the cultural impact of immigration drastically reduced as they became exposed to immigrants, indicating that perhaps this fear was something of a boogeyman, sold to people who weren't in a position to know otherwise. Even then, much of the anger aimed at apparent cultural disintegration seems to have been aimed at non-EU migrants; it's often a cover to complain about South Asians and Muslim ones in particular. Given that leaving the EU has only changed EU immigration, this hasn't changed at all.
Overall, I don't think there's a particularly strong case to be made on the basis of immigration.
ClosingADoor
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The rise is still there and that is not a good look. I would also bet that most stuff goes unreported.
Are all Leave voters racist? No. But anti-immigration sentiment certainly played a major role in the campaign. Which is strange, since I don't think immigration within the EU is a large problem. Immigration from outside the EU seems to be what people are afraid of - and there are valid complaints there I think - but the anti-EU thing seems misguided.
Though it is often defended by pointing out demographics (A supposedly "aging populous"), in truth, the very presence of immigration is causing people to get older and having less children, since they understand instinctively that immigrants will take their place in the world. Therefore, immigration is the root of all of Britains problems. Indeed, the same can be said for all western countries.
Royal_Phalanx
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If EU immigration was so bad for low-skilled worker wages then why would Lidl and Aldi raise their basic rate to over £10 an hour in London? If I stuck with my part time retail job then in September I would have received a pay increase as well. Also, unemployment is decreasing for everyone, even with our high immigration rates. No problems creating jobs here.
WrenchNinja
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Poe's Law kicking in hard.
I have no clue if this is a joke post or not.
Royal_Phalanx
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Japan has extremely low immigration and a very low birth rate. I hope you're joking.
iceatcs
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London seems not really a problem with it. But many other places like non-city according to vote results.
Many of my old boarding school's North friends still working on roughly £6.70 to £7.20 per hour, whereas my GF getting £12 an hour for the similar job in London.
I think UK need to sort the divide problem. So better to get rid of Living wage then.
Well, if you actually knew anything about emigration, you wouldn't be against it.
And if you knew anything at all about anything, you'd know that voting "Leave" would do jackshit against it in the first place, because nobody on the Leave side has actual ideas for anything at all.
Then I succeeded. To not undermine the joke, I won't actually confirm it's a joke.
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