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United Airlines violently drags a doctor off a plane so employee could take his seat
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FinaruDensetsu
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Punitive damages here are determined based on the size of the corporation. Take a look at United's annual profits. Without the award being several millions, it wouldn't truly punish them.
Jack The Nipper
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I don't think what they did to him would be typically that bad for someone that is younger. Nothing good, but we have all probably bumped our head and been there. I know I have stood up and knocked the crap out of my head a few times and got fairly dizzy.
I think all hitting, beating etc is really stupid just so you know though.
Herr Schwarz
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I don't understand American justice.
So by sue does that include seeking people to by put behind bars? The chain of people that were responsible?
Or is this all just a glorified dog and pony shoe to get the biggest amount of cash?
Like to my eyes he was physically assaulted, so whoever ordered the assault to take place and those that carried it out, should be charged.
So by sue does that include seeking people to by put behind bars? The chain of people that were responsible?
Or is this all just a glorified dog and pony shoe to get the biggest amount of cash?
Like to my eyes he was physically assaulted, so whoever ordered the assault to take place and those that carried it out, should be charged.
FinaruDensetsu
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It's up to the government to "sue" people to put them behind bars. Private citizens cannot "sue" to put people in jail.
Diablohead
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Oh they need punishment completely, I hope it leaves a dent.
Sue means a money award from the defendant (United Airlines, Chicago police). An individual is saying you harmed me, so compensate me for my trouble.
Jail time is only if the government decides to pursue it, and they're found guilty of committing a crime.
Edit: Victim doesn't have to press charges for government to prosecute a crime.
Herr Schwarz
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I see, they weren't even cops either right, they were just wearing jackets that said they were cops.
They are part of the Chicago Department of Aviation, which is a government entity, but separate from the Chicago police department. So they're not "real" cops, but have some authority to do stuff like detain people until the real cops get there. They're not allowed to carry guns.
In a lot of states, most security guards can be classified the same way. Also, most of these people will never encounter a violent situation or one requiring force. They are completely inexperienced. I say this as a former security alarm respondent in Arizona. They should have never been called in the first place.
Turbo Killer
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How the fuck do you know it's not worth it? Did you get a concussion and have your front teeth knocked out while being dragged out of a plane on YouTube? This guy was in his 60s, imagine if they did the same to your father. Also, not every doctor is a millionaire.
chromatic9
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A Concorde flight from Europe to New York crashed in the year 2000. $1.5 million per passenger was said to be paid out as they threatened to sue in US courts. The standard fee is around 100-200k then on to millions if in the US.
If UA get sued for a million or more then they won't pull this shit again and start offering better incentives to leave a seat and perhaps appeal to other passengers if one is adamant they're staying put. What happened to Mr Dao was despicable.
In sports like soccer, a blow to the head the game is stopped and medical assistance is brought on to check for signs, a player can be subbed because it can lead to death and will take a scan at the hospital. It's incredible to me that after Mr Dao smashed his face on the armrest, then next thing wasn't to call an ambulance and to halt proceedings but to drag him out like a piece of meat in a war camp while dazed.
If UA get sued for a million or more then they won't pull this shit again and start offering better incentives to leave a seat and perhaps appeal to other passengers if one is adamant they're staying put. What happened to Mr Dao was despicable.
In sports like soccer, a blow to the head the game is stopped and medical assistance is brought on to check for signs, a player can be subbed because it can lead to death and will take a scan at the hospital. It's incredible to me that after Mr Dao smashed his face on the armrest, then next thing wasn't to call an ambulance and to halt proceedings but to drag him out like a piece of meat in a war camp while dazed.
To think, this probably would have been avoided if they just offered like $1600 real dollars and a hotel. They deserve to lose millions for the stupidity.
BlueTsunami
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This is what happens when a company thinks they have you by the balls/titties. You'll take your 800 UA skybucks and walk away, or we'll scare you with threat of force.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...light-stands-gain-lawsuit-experts-say-n746186
I love this paragraph!
I really hope he digs in and take them to court!
The American airline industry must learn that their bullshit is unacceptable!
I love this paragraph!
I really hope he digs in and take them to court!
The American airline industry must learn that their bullshit is unacceptable!
He didn't say that at all, don't be disingenuous.
no kidding,factor in the concussion as well and his medical bills alone will be substantially more than that
besides anything in the millions would be mostly punitive anyways
Miles Quaritch
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Even after this, don't they still do have most Americans by their balls and titties?
Everyone likes to say they'll fly with the competition, but if that competition is more than a ten dollars more expensive or doesn't have as many flights, well convenience will win over any moral outrage people might feel in the short term.
...doesn't he mean "do anything less"?
The 4th place airline (in marketshare) doesn't have most Americans by "their balls and titties".
A victim doesn't have to "press charges" for the state to prosecute a crime, as crimes are committed against the state, not against individuals.
Miles Quaritch
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The 4th place airline (in marketshare) doesn't have most Americans by "their balls and titties".
Huh, so why do they treat their customers like garbage? Weird as fuck they are happy to just let more marketshare go in the name of being utter cunts.
Do they fly routes others ignore or something?
I think he meant like do anything that would take more time or effort than that. That is the quickest and easiest solution, no more than that is needed.
Mr. Giggles
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Why do they treat their customers like garbage? Part of me feels like they don't factor in customer satisfaction as part of training their work force, either that or the people responsible in this incident felt that as the air operator they could act without consequence using weak excuses like "we had to do what we did because the passenger was a threat to the other passengers" - a by product of behavioural changes since 9/11
Miles Quaritch
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Makes sense. I think with how the CEO initially responded with that internal email, their entire approach to passengers seems to be fuck you, do as we say or we won't let you fly.
That's the kind of thing you can do when you have a monopoly, not when you're fourth in marketshare. Insane, I thought they were just abusing their position in the market to act like cunts, but nope.
Civil vs criminal law. You don't go to jail in civil cases, but must provide restitution none the less.
Criminal judgment have a much higher base to clear to get convictions, because they involve mandatory jail time. The district attorney office also has to agree to bring criminal charges.
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Always the marytardom
You're right, thanks. Edited my post.
Other airlines are changing their policies due to this incident:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-delta-overbooking-20170414-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-delta-overbooking-20170414-story.html
I understand where you coming from man, but things are just kind of like that here in the US.
In this specific case, I can see it being justified.
Dude shouldn't just be compensated for his injuries, but also compensated for the mental trauma he underwent, time spent/wasted by hospitalization, etc etc. From the videos a lone it seemed like he was done mentally and physically, when a company like United does that, I would hope he gets paid more than 100K. There's no excuse.
PHOENIXZERO
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This is propaganda perpetrated by corporations and insurance groups who want to see "tort reform" to to cap punitive and special damages, specifically on medical compensation so say a pregnant woman's doctor screws up and it leads to their child having severe disabilities that will require special care for their entire life, insurance companies and their lobbyist (and Republicans who as we know, love protecting big businesses) don't want to be on the hook for covering those costs for decades, there are states that have capped this and it's been disastrous for those families. There might be a lot of lawsuits (big shock with a country of 300M+ people) but tort/personal injury cases make up less than 5% of cases, most don't ever actually file a lawsuit and are settled beforehand.
There are three primary areas of civil lawsuits where money comes from, there's the general damages which just covers pain and suffering and such and usually isn't a huge amount, then there's "special damages" that covers legal reimbursement, medial bills and lost wages. Then there's punitive damages which are generally decided by the jury and judge and are meant to punish and is the primary driver in forcing companies to make changes so they're not at risk for getting sued for the same thing again, that is where the big amounts come from and for good reason.
Such an easy solution.
He also wouldn't have had shyster reporters going through his history and printing any old irrelevant bollocks as well.
RustyNails
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How are United's shares so far? Did they stop freefalling aftet the first day?
CrazyIvan1978
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It was trading at close 72 before the "free fall" to $68.46, then recovered, now trading at $69
EatinOlives
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False equivalency much? Downed flights are a completely unintentional incident wherein the flight crew does everything they can to avoid. This incident is grossly negligent and specifically targeted. The crew was willing to actively put this man in danger because they didn't get their way.
Not to mention the costs associated here, from the fact that every single passenger in the Downed airplane had to be compensated to the cost of the airplane itself. To think that United could've avoided this for a few thousand bucks but instead they willingly chose the worst possible way to solve the problem.
And even if you wanted to ignore all this for some stupid reason, no corporation should ever, EVER treat their paying customers like this. Beating the shit out of someone and dragging them off a plane is the kind of thing you'd see in a dystopia movie depicting an oppressive government, not a fucking coach flight.
No company that treats their customers like this deserves to be in business. If this happened to my dad you bet your ass I'd be suing with the explicit intent of trying to bankrupt the company.
The problem is that most of the CEOs of airlines are incented to squeeze more money per customer per quarter. United almost literally cannot change direction to be customer focused.
You are just the holes they punch in ring pulls to save aluminum.
That's why the difference between say, Alaska and United is so stark. They're going to pay this guy off, wait a couple of months, then do a lame "we're listening" pr campaign and go right back to monopolizing routes, colluding with competitors and using terrorism to justify an extra $25 to put your daughter's stuffies in the cargo hold.
And united has been awful for long enough that the rottenness has leeched into the rank and file staff. So basically all of your interactions will be absolutely rude and unhelpful.
Oscar can't turn that around and has no incentive to.
He might even leave with a golden parachute and get a CEO job in a completely unrelated business where his pr baggage is actually appealing to ruthless sociopath board members.
Customer focus is gone in public companies until quarterly earnings culture is disrupted unless it was in their DNA already.
Delta is better if you're gonna compare the big ones. US Air was worse. They seemed irritated that people wanted to be on their planes. Continental was horrific and that was the aspect that the United Borg chose to assimilate. And the hilariously bad logo.
I REALLY hope Dr. Dao digs in and take United to court!
It sounds like United is up shit creek without a paddle.
http://www.newsweek.com/why-united-were-legally-wrong-deplane-dr-dao-583535
It sounds like United is up shit creek without a paddle.
http://www.newsweek.com/why-united-were-legally-wrong-deplane-dr-dao-583535
Unknown Soldier
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It's been days and I still can't fathom how amazing that poll is.
Because of how the large airlines work, if you happen to be flying a route that transits through or terminates at United hubs, you might actually have little choice but to fly on United.
Unless Southwest flies there. They fly point-to-point, unlike the other airlines which operate on a hub-and-spoke layout.
The 4th place airline (in marketshare) doesn't have most Americans by "their balls and titties".
Because of how the large airlines work, if you happen to be flying a route that transits through or terminates at United hubs, you might actually have little choice but to fly on United.
Unless Southwest flies there. They fly point-to-point, unlike the other airlines which operate on a hub-and-spoke layout.
It's usually way more than $10 difference. I mean, my wife has an "I fucking hate layovers" thing, factored in with trying to find non insane hours usually leaves you with one ootion. Anything else was hundreds to thousands more (even with layovers).
People really don't have much choice in flights.
DonMigs85
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Sadly that seems to give the airline staff an excuse to be haughty, like they're above working in the service industry.
I can attest to this. I fly out a couple times a year to see my husband (and/or vice versa) and United has always been the cheapest and most convenient option by far, usually by $100 or more. Other airlines literally can't compare, and when you're trying to save money, that really counts.
To be honest, that's not that weird in Europe. As an example I know someone who lost part of his arm in a freak accident that was partly the company's fault and he only received like 100k €. He will never work again with that arm (not physical labor at least).
Point being that getting millions by sueing sounds weird to most Europeans I reckon.
Diablohead
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Heard on the uk news this morning that united are now changing their rules in reserving seats for staff, now the seats have to be sorted an hour before the flight.
Why did they just not do this in the first place :| big companies, man.
Why did they just not do this in the first place :| big companies, man.
You have no idea what you're talking about and you should probably sit down before making yourself look like a bigger fool. Trying to make comparisons to a plane crash, smh.
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