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[MoonsaultSlayer]

Except that didn't happen. The OP, and apparently you, wanted it to happen, but it didn't. His little social experiment backfired, and the thirst for outrage unquenched, he had to lash out at people who called him out on it.

I'm pretty sure the OP simply wanted laughs and "I see what you did there"s. And I'm sure he/she was ready to argue "thug" was used correctly no matter race.

But a post calling out the irony or humor and threatening vomitting over it was pretty extreme and telling of that particular person's agenda, no?

 

[SmokyDave]

Except that didn't happen. The OP, and apparently you, wanted it to happen, but it didn't. His little social experiment backfired, and the thirst for outrage unquenched, he had to lash out at people who called him out on it.

It's astonishing that so many people are apparently reading posts that haven't even been made.

Just shows how entrenched certain beliefs are. The man says 'apples' but you swing at him anyway because you were determined to hear 'oranges'.

There's some fucking deep meta-commentary coming out of all this. Or maybe that's just the closet racist in me speaking.

I'm pretty sure the OP simply wanted laughs and "I see what you did there"s. And I'm sure he/she was ready to argue "thug" was used correctly no matter race.

But a post calling out the irony or humor and threatening vomitting over it was pretty extreme and telling of that particular person's agenda, no?

Defend DreamDrop in one breath, then mention agendas in the next. Great stuff.

Perhaps you should read through some of the links in this thread for a little more context. That, or go through the OPs post history.

 

[agrajag]

I'm pretty sure the OP simply wanted laughs and "I see what you did there"s. And I'm sure he/she was ready to argue "thug" was used correctly no matter race.

But a post calling out the irony or humor and threatening vomitting over it was pretty extreme and telling of that particular person's agenda, no?

Yes, let's pretend the OP is a harmless little teddy bear and not the one with the agenda. So the OP wanted an echo chamber of congratulatory backpatting? Or he wanted someone to catch the bait?

Given their post history, I think it's the latter. Also, "threatening to vomit?" That's a bit much. No one was threatened, relax. What I did see, is a bunch of posters ganging up on a dude because he wasn't part of the progressive echo chamber. I have a feeling the OP got exactly what he wanted out of his thread, shit stirring and drama.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

It's astonishing that so many people are apparently reading posts that haven't even been made.

Just shows how entrenched certain beliefs are. The man says 'apples' but you swing at him anyway because you were determined to hear 'oranges'.

There's some fucking deep meta-commentary coming out of all this. Or maybe that's just the closet racist in me speaking.

Actually, it's more like if the OP used "rotten to the core" and that particular poster was upset because he expected apples but the article was about oranges and his usage was too ironic because he assumed the agenda was to defame oranges by using a term typically used for apples. Silly.

 

[agrajag]

Actually, it's more like if the OP used "rktten to the core" and that particular poster was upset because he expected apples but the article was about oranges and his usage was too ironic because he assumed the agenda was to defame oranges by using a term typically used for apples. Silly.

That's some impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there.

 

[SmokyDave]

Actually, it's more like if the OP used "rotten to the core" and that particular poster was upset because he expected apples but the article was about oranges and his usage was too ironic because he assumed the agenda was to defame oranges by using a term typically used for apples. Silly.

Again, you're only looking at the surface.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

Based on your posts and requests for me to read OP's post history, I'm going to guess he's black and against the use of thug as a racial slur? And somehow this topic's "ironic" use of thug is supposed to be shameful because "well you wouldn't like it"?

I see thug as meaning "delinquent piece of shit", no matter race. And I wouldn't mind seeing it used more often in proper context. So, yes, even purposefully using it for groups of other races is fine by me. No puke in my mouth.

 

[SmokyDave]

Based on your posts and requests for me to read OP's post history, I'm going to guess he's black and against the use of thug as a racial slur? And somehow this topic's "ironic" use of thug is supposed to be shameful because "well you wouldn't like it"?

Whether he's against the usage or not is irrelevant (and obviously he would be). It's the fact he's a master baiter trying to root out the untyped hypocrisy of shadowy GAF racists. Dude is constantly trying to rabble rouse and provoke a reaction that never actually comes, yet will happily misconstrue a posters word to feed that need to 'out' someone.

I see thug as meaning "delinquent piece of shit", no matter race. And I wouldn't mind seeing it used more often in proper context. So, yes, even purposefully using it for groups of other races is fine by me. No puke in my mouth.

Nobody at all is arguing with any of that. Only that the issue being used to take cheap shots at non-existent boogymen.

Nobody gives a fuck if you call the idiots in the OP 'thugs'. It's an accurate term. Nobody thinks it's cool that 'thug' is appropriated as a codeword for 'young black male'.

Edit: and I'm well aware that by flipping out like this I've fed the troll. Not only that, but in a week or two it'll morph into 'SmokyDave hates it when you call white people thugs'. It is what it is though.

 

[J10]

Where's the regressive echo chamber when we need it? Too much progressiveness invading this thread.

 

[reggieandTFE]

Yes, let's pretend the OP is a harmless little teddy bear and not the one with the agenda. So the OP wanted an echo chamber of congratulatory backpatting? Or he wanted someone to catch the bait?

Given their post history, I think it's the latter. Also, "threatening to vomit?" That's a bit much. No one was threatened, relax. What I did see, is a bunch of posters ganging up on a dude because he wasn't part of the progressive echo chamber. I have a feeling the OP got exactly what he wanted out of his thread, shit stirring and drama.

Holy shit. The victim hood. It's almost too strong, hahahahahha.

 

[oneHeero]

Dang SmokeyDave hit it in the head. Good shit, I'm glad someone came back in to clear it up and we Still have people calling them out.

Admiral wasn't pissed bout white people being called thugs, he was calling out OP for crying about racism but than thinking it would be cool and ironic to bait someone into this Convo by using thug. This was done to see who'd say 'hey those thugs are white...?'

No one cares that people call white kids thugs. But same ol posters making the same ol posts. Way to be progressive OP and others.

 

[ipitydatfu]

did somebody say steve french?

 

[agrajag]

Holy shit. The victim hood. It's almost too strong, hahahahahha.

Victim hood? Wtf are you on about?

 

[catapult37]

nevermind. why would i even. this thread is bonkers. OP writes mildly ironic headline worthy of the "oh, you!" gif. Reactionary weirdos go nuts

Spoiler

did you catch the code word?

 

[CrankyJay]

Dang SmokeyDave hit it in the head. Good shit, I'm glad someone came back in to clear it up and we Still have people calling them out.

Admiral wasn't pissed bout white people being called thugs, he was calling out OP for crying about racism but than thinking it would be cool and ironic to bait someone into this Convo by using thug. This was done to see who'd say 'hey those thugs are white...?'

No one cares that people call white kids thugs. But same ol posters making the same ol posts. Way to be progressive OP and others.

It's only ironic if you truly think the term is exclusive to black people.

What in the fuck is going on here?

 

[EdibleKnife]

Wow. I actually do not understand why some people are freaking out over DreamDrop or this thread. People are trying to make it more sinister than it actually is. A jab from him is now supposedly "trivializing the race issue"? OK. Huh?

 

[catapult37]

It's only ironic if you truly think the term is exclusive to black people.

What in the fuck is going on here?

The irony is not in the labeling, but the intent of the label. When applied to black people engaged in similar behavior, it allows (presumably white) readers/viewers to tell themselves that the rioters were basically corrupt, irredeemable people in the first place.

In a story about white rioters, you don't find that kind of language, because the audience wants to believe this behavior is not the norm for white people.

The point of the OP's title is NOT that the white rioters in the story are basically corrupt. It's that we need to examine our judgement of black people in similar circumstances and extend the same benefit of the doubt that we often, unconsciously extend to white people.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Why the heck are teenagers today so messed up?
Fucking thugs.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Keene has had an anarcho-libertarians doing misguided civil disobedience acts for years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcV-QaHfNA

 

[Dreams-Visions]

well this isn't the thread I expected it to become after the first few posts.

 

[CrankyJay]

The irony is not in the labeling, but the intent of the label. When applied to black people engaged in similar behavior, it allows (presumably white) readers/viewers to tell themselves that the rioters were basically corrupt, irredeemable people in the first place.

In a story about white rioters, you don't find that kind of language, because the audience wants to believe this behavior is not the norm for white people.

The point of the OP's title is NOT that the white rioters in the story are basically corrupt. It's that we need to examine our judgement of black people in similar circumstances and extend the same benefit of the doubt that we often, unconsciously extend to white people.

Because the OP is black? So it wouldn't be ironic if a white person chose "thug" as well?

 

[SmokyDave]

Wow. I actually do not understand why some people are freaking out over DreamDrop or this thread.

Fair enough. Let's assume that you want to understand.

Read this post (and the linked posts in it). Then, read this post (and the linked post in it).

Now, I'd hope you can see what's wrong with that.

People are trying to make it more sinister than it actually is. A jab from him is now supposedly "trivializing the race issue"? OK. Huh?

Still feel this way after a little reading?

 

[Ingueferroque]

I don't get it, they were clearly displaying thuggish behavior. Why are some so upset to call them that? Seems pretty shocking to me.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Where I'm from, "thug" and "nigger" pretty much mean the same thing. Obviously you just can't say one of those in public without becoming a pariah.

I understood the OP fine.

 

[catapult37]

Because the OP is black? So it wouldn't be ironic if a white person chose "thug" as well?

It could easily be the exact same irony, making the exact same point, if a white person made it. I guessed what he was doing before I even clicked the thread.

 

[agrajag]

I don't get it, they were clearly displaying thuggish behavior. Why are some so upset to call them that? Seems pretty shocking to me.

No one is upset that they were called thugs.

 

[Slayven]

I don't know what to think anymore.

 

[Ingueferroque]

Where I'm from, "thug" and "nigger" pretty much mean the same thing. Obviously you just can't say one of those in public without becoming a pariah.

I understood the OP fine.

I think it's disturbing that thug has become associated with race.

In a story about white rioters, you don't find that kind of language, because the audience wants to believe this behavior is not the norm for white people.

Who cares what the norm is, the descriptor is used for the specific youth in the article. Regardless of their skin color, or who they represent.

 

[MWS Natural]

We've had a half-white President for the last 6 years. Why are these people still acting like this!?
.

Made me chuckle.

We really need to figure out what it is about white culture which causes these things to happen. Frat house parties, sports "celebrations", pumpkin festivals, all filled with violence it really is a sad state.

 

[agrajag]

Make me chuckle.

We need to figure out what it is about white culture which causes these things to happen.

See, now that's a clever, funny post. Learn from this man, OP.

 

[Jaeger]

Seems like alot of "trying hard to make this about me" post in here. There is nothing offensive about the thread title. At all.

What the fuck are you guys complaining about?

 

[CrankyJay]

It could easily be the exact same irony, making the exact same point, if a white person made it. I guessed what he was doing before I even clicked the thread.

So then you're saying thug does mean black criminal?

 

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