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[Raven.]

SCREW US ALL, BY CALLING ON A GLOBAL BAN ON E-STEM(particularly therapeutic cloning) CELL RESEARCH!!!
As we've seen when it comes to explaining our irrational motives for going to war, they don't care, but when it comes to making sure medical progress is threatened on a global scale, they're right there.

Furthermore, consider Bush's position on cloning for stem-cell research. Using the techniques involved in creating Dolly the sheep, it is possible to create cloned human embryos for use as a source of embryonic stem cells. But the president has done nothing but vigorously try to ban this method for getting stem cells. While it otherwise has little time for the United Nations, the Bush administration is currently devoting much energy to trying to persuade the world body to ban cloning for the purposes of stem-cell research.

Irrationalism at it's finest (There are a few technical comments that seem to be a bit behind, but overall it gives the jist of it all)

Not content with screwing america, and the middle east, it seems there's always room for more... the world. Sad ain't it? They not only want to stop us from getting cures over here, but they want to stop EVERYONE from helping advance the field of medicine.

 

[Kon Tiki]

Well he is an evil dictator.

 

[G4life98]

what do you expect he's a brainless puppet for christian religious freaks.

 

[DarienA]

There is absolutely no way in hell Bush is going to get the UN to approve putting forth a worldwide ban on stem cell research... too many people outside of this country have been saved thanks to different portions of discoveries based on adult and embryonic stem cell research.

 

[gofreak]

A worldwide ban ain't gonna happen..

..anyway, I'm not very well up on stell-cem research at all, asides from it's intended application. If you clone a human for stem cells, what happens the human? Do you have to kill the embryo to get the stem cells..?

I mean I'm pretty liberal, as anyone who knows me will attest. I do have some problems with abortion though, and if you have to kill the embryo to get the stem cells...then I would be worried that we'd basically just start breeding humans (artificially, through cloning etc.) to "harvest" them for stem cells. Tell me this isn't how it happens?

 

[dog$]

You can get stem cells from human fat, among other sources.

too many people outside of this country have been saved thanks to different portions of discoveries based on adult and embryonic stem cell research.

Not to mention the money that comes from employment of people to conduct the research, and the companies which sell the devices that they use.

 

[gofreak]

I've no problem at all with consenting adults being used for stem cell research.

But cloning someone *specifically* for that? What if you were that person?

Someone fill me in on this before I go crazy being on the same side of the fence as Bush on an issue

 

[Nerevar]

A worldwide ban ain't gonna happen..

..anyway, I'm not very well up on stell-cem research at all, asides from it's intended application. If you clone a human for stem cells, what happens the human? Do you have to kill the embryo to get the stem cells..?

I mean I'm pretty liberal, as anyone who knows me will attest. I do have some problems with abortion though, and if you have to kill the embryo to get the stem cells...then I would be worried that we'd basically just start breeding humans (artificially, through cloning etc.) to "harvest" them for stem cells. Tell me this isn't how it happens?

Most (if not all) embryonic stem cells come from discarded fetuses from fertilization clinics. When a couple have troulbe making babies, they basically go to one and the clinic fertilizes as many embryos as they can outside the womb (because it is very difficult to get a embryo fertilized outside the uterus to successfully lead to a birth). This results in a very large number of viable embryos that are usually "discarded" (as they pretty much have to be in the states now - no federal government funding for anyone who uses them). That's the irony of the whole situation - Bush's legislation has absolutely no effect on the number of embryos that are destroyed each year, it's just that now they can't be used for science.

 

[ManDudeChild]

That piece from MSNBC certainly presents a lot of information, but just once I'd like to see a media outlet avoid turning news into an editorial piece. The two are entirely different things.

 

[xsarien]

Ha ha, Bush thinks he has any kind of credibility or sway within the UN after Iraq. It's almost...cute.

(Almost.)