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US Republicans endorse arming toddlers on Sacha Baron Cohen show

Arkage

Banned
Republican politicians in the US have endorsed a gun programme where four-year-olds are trained to use military-grade weaponry on Sacha Baron Cohen's new comedy series 'Who is America?'.

In Sunday's premiere, British actor Baron Cohen played the role of Israeli anti-terrorist expert Col Erran Morad and successfully convinced former congressman Joe Walsh, former Senator Trent Lott, California congressman Dana Rohrabacher and South Carolina Congressman Joe Wilson to endorse "kinder-guardians".

All four politicians bought into Baron Cohen's idea with Joe Walsh saying the programme: "introduces specially selected children, from 12 to four years old, to pistols, rifles, semi-automatics, and a rudimentary knowledge of mortars."

"In less than a month, a first-grader can become a first grenade-er."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...s-sacha-baron-cohen-show-180716070900037.html

This show is going to be absolute gold. Also another fun video of various Republican congress figures saying the same shit:

 

cryptoadam

Banned
The only good segment in the first episode.

American's are too obsessed with their guns. But nothing will change.
 
laughed and shook my head at most of the video

totally lost it at the 'elevated levels of the pheromone blink 182' and whatever it said about the 'cardi b neural pathway to the wiz kalifa' XD
 
Hilarious!

"Blink-182" lolololol

To be fair, these dusty old officials likely did own guns or at least had access to one when they were that age.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
This just in..... Liberals hate guns and America.

No, they do not hate guns, because they have zero issue with the government (which they believe is corrupt) should be the only ones with them. Oh, and they have no issues with their candidates or talking points having armed guards. Hell, David Hogg was walking around NYC with hired armed body guards. Ironic to say the least.

They just hate YOU or I having them, and if they do not want them, then nobody else should be able to have them, that is not of an authority figure sanctioned by larger governance in the lands.

Now excuse me, I am going to head to the club, I need to shake my shit to the new Cardi B track, but first, we pregame while blaring Blink-182! Fireball and 4 Locos anyone (puke to both)?
 

TrainedRage

Banned
W
No, they do not hate guns, because they have zero issue with the government (which they believe is corrupt) should be the only ones with them. Oh, and they have no issues with their candidates or talking points having armed guards. Hell, David Hogg was walking around NYC with hired armed body guards. Ironic to say the least.

They just hate YOU or I having them, and if they do not want them, then nobody else should be able to have them, that is not of an authority figure sanctioned by larger governance in the lands.

Now excuse me, I am going to head to the club, I need to shake my shit to the new Cardi B track, but first, we pregame while blaring Blink-182! Fireball and 4 Locos anyone (puke to both)?
Whats my age again?
 

Super Mario

Banned
It's a shame that Baron Cohen has fallen victim to the Liberal media machine. Clearly, there's no defending the idiocy of arming a 4 year old. However, it's clear of this film's intentions. Where is the footage of dumb beliefs from the left's politicians? You can get equally stupid stuff from higher ranking Democrats like Maxine Walters.
 

PkunkFury

Member
No, they do not hate guns, because they have zero issue with the government (which they believe is corrupt) should be the only ones with them. Oh, and they have no issues with their candidates or talking points having armed guards. Hell, David Hogg was walking around NYC with hired armed body guards. Ironic to say the least.

David Hogg's gun control platform is as follows:

1. CDC funding for research into gun violance
2. Universal Background checks
3. Digitization of ATF records
4. High-Capacity magazine ban
5. Assault weapons ban



Nothing about him hiring armed security is ironic (especially considering the volume of death threats he's received) unless the people he's hired have not had background checks, and are carrying assault weapons or high capacity magazines. Has David Hogg been rolling with folks carrying assault weapons? If so, I apologize, and you are correct

As long as guns are easy to get in this country, it's sensible that anybody of importance would hire armed guards for protection. You don't have to support gun ownership to acknowledge the current reality in a country where it's easier to own a gun than drive a car

They just hate YOU or I having them, and if they do not want them, then nobody else should be able to have them, that is not of an authority figure sanctioned by larger governance in the lands.

Now excuse me, I am going to head to the club, I need to shake my shit to the new Cardi B track, but first, we pregame while blaring Blink-182! Fireball and 4 Locos anyone (puke to both)?

I certainly hate YOU having them, as you seem unstable, but I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that gun control activists are singling you out. Would you fail a background check?

But keep twisting shit so you can feed your persecution complex

BTW, I'd love to know why you think any of the 5 points Hogg is pushing for are unreasonable. I'm sure you have some good arguements
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
His 5 points...

1. I agree (only if the funding is 100% unbiased sources)
2. I agree, and they do have them in all 50 states already mandated by the federal government called the NICS system when you purchase from any licensed Class 3/NFA dealer. Trade shows in some states are different with private owner to owner sales, which may need to be looked at more and adjusted accordingly.
3. I agree
4. I agree to an extent.
5. Assault weapons, that will depend on which definiton. If they go by the original US Army, then sure, they have been banned since the 60's already. If they go by the loose defintion they keep ammending about a scary black gun that does the same as the non scary wooden one, then one has pause to raise an eyebrow.

Most people who purchase legally, are law abiding citizens who had the proper background checks when purchasing from the gun shop. The very same background checks as hired body guards. And there has been language used by him and his peers beyond those 5 points that give people pause. Slippy slopes and all that stuff people worry about. Not saying I am worried about it, because in the long run I am not, but I can see concern where once that is obtained, they will move on to even more. Give an inch, people tend to take the whole mile.

I certainly hate YOU having them, as you seem unstable, but I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that gun control activists are singling you out. Would you fail a background check?

But keep twisting shit so you can feed your persecution complex

Get over yourself on this shit right here. Just because I do not believe everyone has a kosher virtue in the cause, does not warrant for your emotional temper tantrum on a personal level.
 
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We don't support Hogg's plan because A) He's a fucking high-schooler, B) Is a hopeless idealist and C) Doesn't realize that all the gun controls in the world won't stop people from shooting up schools.

And seriously Hogg...more "research into gun violence?" Like we haven't figured it out yet?
 
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PkunkFury

Member
His 5 points...

1. I agree
2. I agree, and they do have them in all 50 states already mandated by the federal government called the NICS system when you purchase from any licensed Class 3/NFA dealer. Trade shows in some states are different with private owner to owner sales, which may need to be looked at more and adjusted accordingly.
3. I agree
4. I agree to an extent.
5. Assault weapons, that will depend on which definiton. If they go by the original US Army, then sure, they have been banned since the 60's already. If they go by the loose defintion they keep ammending about a scary black gun that does the same as the non scary wooden one, then one has pause to raise an eyebrow.

Most people who purchase legally, are law abiding citizens who had the proper background checks when purchasing from the gun shop. The very same background checks as hired body guards. And there has been language used by him and his peers beyond those 5 points that give people pause. Slippy slopes and all that stuff people worry about. Not saying I am worried about it, because in the long run I am not, but I can see concern where once that is obtained, they will move on to even more. Give an inch, people tend to take the whole mile.

This is a good response. And as you can see, you and Hogg are mostly on the same page

Concerning 'assault weapons' this is obviously a point that requires further clarification, but it seems you at least understand that there is a legitimate concern on some levels. Perhaps if both sides were willing to discuss this, rather than insisting on not giving an inch, we could actually sketch out what should or shouldn't be allowed from assault weapons.

I understand the slippery slope, but at a certain point, after enough people are needlessly massacred, maybe it makes sense to start trying some of the above. You can always dig in when people start taking the mile, rather than starting when they just try to take the inch (an inch you mostly agree with). What I see from your prior posts is that you are happy to hold the mile over peoples heads to defend that inch. Otherwise, why would you denigrate Hogg? Call him out when he oversteps the bounds he's set; no need to harangue him for trying to meet half way

Get over yourself on this shit right here. Just because I do not believe everyone has a kosher virtue in the cause, does not warrant for your emotional temper tantrum on a personal level.
Not emotional at all. You are the one appealing to emotion by insisting "they" hate "YOU" and "I". "YOU", "I" and "them" are all part of the same society, and (ideally) you are all looking for what's best for everyone. It's this level of discourse that has put America on the path of no return. I merely re-purposed what you posted. I advise you stop pushing this rhetoric if you value the country, as your side may win in the end but the country has a long way to fall before getting there

and I must admit, my reply was a little harsh, as you actually replied to my post with a reasonable response and actually answered the question instead of deflecting to a bizarre conspiracy. I don't see that happen much here, so I appreciate it. case in point:

We don't support Hogg's plan because A) He's a fucking high-schooler, B) Is a hopeless idealist and C) Doesn't realize that all the gun controls in the world won't stop people from shooting up schools.

And seriously Hogg...more "research into gun violence?" Like we haven't figured it out yet?

but back to you DeepEnigma DeepEnigma , as you are not them, and you are an enigma, a good follow up question would be how do you think we could promote the points that you and Hogg agree on to move forward in congress?

Also, do you think it's fair to belittle Hogg for hiring security that follows his own prescription for future legislation?
And do you think it's reasonable that Hogg may fear for his life while demonstrating?
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
PkunkFury PkunkFury Just to let you know, you may have missed it, I was being 'tongue in cheek' when I quoted him. Obviously more of a 'sensational' tone, but not one I would take in a legitimate discourse on the subject face to face.

Also, do you think it's fair to belittle Hogg for hiring security that follows his own prescription for future legislation?
And do you think it's reasonable that Hogg may fear for his life while demonstrating?

Of course those are reasonable, and every bit as reasonable as your average American who feels as he does, but cannot afford their own 'guns for hire', but have the funds to take gun courses and legally purchase their own right to protection.

Not everyone can afford to hire, but every law abiding citizen should be afforded the same rights on a personal level.

As for the inch/mile thing... their own words.

In an Op-Ed for the New York Times titled “Repeal The Second Amendment,” former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens argued that instead of just banning “assault weapons” or raising the legal age to buy guns, activists for gun control should seek more effective and more lasting reform. They should demand a repeal of the Second Amendment.”

In a speech at a March For Our Lives rally, Stoneman Douglas student Delaney Tarr revealed that even if the students achieve individual bans, they will continue to push until the Second Amendment is fully dismantled. We will take the big and we will take the small, but we will keep fighting. When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We are not here for breadcrumbs. We are here for real change,” she said.

Two sources:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/delaney-tarr-march-for-our-lives_us_5ab678d8e4b0decad04a5df7

https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/h...ing-for-your-guns-is-not-a-conspiracy-theory/
 
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PkunkFury

Member
PkunkFury PkunkFury Just to let you know, you may have missed it, I was being 'tongue in cheek' when I quoted him. Obviously more of a 'sensational' tone, but not one I would take in a legitimate discourse on the subject face to face.

and you've certainly seen where we end up when everybody chooses to push the 'sensational' tone, rather than have legitimate discourse. Discourse is no longer held face to face. This should be clear based on the last election. Internet messages reach volumes of people and have much more weight. Sensationalism on the internet is responsible for what has happened to both parties

and you were being tongue in cheek by pushing the narrative that liberals who are for gun control are hypocrites for hiring security, which I consider patently dishonest. Especially when said advocates are following their own prescribed legislative rules when hiring said security. We need only look at Giffords to see that liberal's ideals do not protect them from the reality of bullets

As for the inch/mile thing... their own words.

In a speech at a March For Our Lives rally, Stoneman Douglas student Delaney Tarr revealed that even if the students achieve individual bans, they will continue to push until the Second Amendment is fully dismantled. We will take the big and we will take the small, but we will keep fighting. When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We are not here for breadcrumbs. We are here for real change,” she said.
Two sources:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/delaney-tarr-march-for-our-lives_us_5ab678d8e4b0decad04a5df7

https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/h...ing-for-your-guns-is-not-a-conspiracy-theory/

No surprise here, but this is how progress is made. In all endeavors. Iterative. What will happen is that changes will be made to the laws incrementally until we reach the point that further changes become unreasonable.

Thus, there's no reason to fight against the inch you agree with. If you can hold your ground now, you'll be able to hold even easier in the face of more ridiculous demands on the "slope". As more protections are put in place, fewer people will side with the extremists who want all guns of all sorts banned. Like everything, this issue is a spectrum. Hogg is starting from a place that is reasonably achievable. He should be commended for that. He isn't jumping straight to "Abolish ICE". Simply conceding some of these points is likely to turn public opinion back in favor of gun ownership.
 
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Barsinister

Banned
I dont think we should judge the GOP by their old senile men even though that is like most of the party.

The average age of the Democratic House leadership is 64. It's 53 for Republicans. In America, Republicans are increasingly the party of older Americans. But in Congress, that's still the Democrats

I copied that from google. Luckily the dems have the hip old grannies with extra 'tude.

Forthefuture.....What is the future? A boot stepping on my neck for all eternity?
 
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totally lost it at the 'elevated levels of the pheromone blink 182' and whatever it said about the 'cardi b neural pathway to the wiz kalifa' XD

Yeah people shouldn't just read things off a teleprompter without any clue of what they're saying.

I was especially happy to see Joe Walsh made to look foolish. I really don't like that clown.
 

Papa

Banned
With the insanity of the modern left, it’s easy to forget just how insane the other side can be. God I love SBC.
 

way more

Member
I love the way his Mossad character walks

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dropkick!

Member
"Republican politicians in the US have endorsed a gun programme where four-year-olds are trained to use military-grade weaponry on Sacha Baron Cohen's new comedy series 'Who is America?'."

Umm... good? As if kids never hunted with mum and dad before...

Someone is never too young to learn to shoot...
 

luigimario

Banned
With the insanity of the modern left, it’s easy to forget just how insane the other side can be. God I love SBC.

Yeah equally insane right? Modern Right want 4 year olds to have guns, modern left want.....better gun regulation? Yeah both equally insane......but maybe not.
 
Where is the footage of dumb beliefs from the left's politicians? You can get equally stupid stuff from higher ranking Democrats like Maxine Walters.


My favorite is the Congress member (can't remember their name) who was concerned if the govt stationed more Marines in Guam, it might tip over. Because, you know, it's an island.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Yeah equally insane right? Modern Right want 4 year olds to have guns, modern left want.....better gun regulation? Yeah both equally insane......but maybe not.

In the twisted minds of the GOP base yes they are equally insane. Then again these are the same people who would rather see children massacred in schools then let common sense gun control regulations be passed so its hardly surprising.


You are expecting zealots to see reason. Thats just not gonna happen.
 

luigimario

Banned
Agreed, they are equally insane.

Wow.... there is literally no reasoning with the right wing. You honestly think arming 4 year olds is the same as asking for better gun regulation? You are lying to yourself because you know it isn't. You know arming 4 year olds is not only insane its a dumb idea, but because of your partisanship you have to defend that idea because "your side" made it....
 

M. Crassus

Member
It's a shame that Baron Cohen has fallen victim to the Liberal media machine. Clearly, there's no defending the idiocy of arming a 4 year old. However, it's clear of this film's intentions. Where is the footage of dumb beliefs from the left's politicians? You can get equally stupid stuff from higher ranking Democrats like Maxine Walters.

So he's not allowed to make fun of one side without immediately also making fun of the other side? Baron Cohen has always made fun of all kinds of people, from conservative old men to rednecks (throw the jew down the well) to jews to feminists and everything inbetween. Lighten up a little and don't feel attacked right away. You can be a righty and still acknowledge that this is funny and these guys are fools.

Wow.... there is literally no reasoning with the right wing. You honestly think arming 4 year olds is the same as asking for better gun regulation? You are lying to yourself because you know it isn't. You know arming 4 year olds is not only insane its a dumb idea, but because of your partisanship you have to defend that idea because "your side" made it....

Do you think it's helpful or rational to take one stance and extrapolate it to the entire "right wing"? There are plenty of equally insane people on the left when it comes to different issues (for example wanting to legally force people to use made up pronouns like "xe"). That doesn't mean the entire "left wing" cannot be reasoned with.
 

Papa

Banned
My favorite is the Congress member (can't remember their name) who was concerned if the govt stationed more Marines in Guam, it might tip over. Because, you know, it's an island.

Well if they keep filling up the army with feminists to meet their diversity quotas, it just might.
 

Papa

Banned
Wow.... there is literally no reasoning with the right wing. You honestly think arming 4 year olds is the same as asking for better gun regulation? You are lying to yourself because you know it isn't. You know arming 4 year olds is not only insane its a dumb idea, but because of your partisanship you have to defend that idea because "your side" made it....

I don’t know why you’re upset. I was agreeing with you.
 

Papa

Banned
It's a shame that Baron Cohen has fallen victim to the Liberal media machine. Clearly, there's no defending the idiocy of arming a 4 year old. However, it's clear of this film's intentions. Where is the footage of dumb beliefs from the left's politicians? You can get equally stupid stuff from higher ranking Democrats like Maxine Walters.

Nah he was making fun of both sides. I was laughing hysterically throughout the whole episode, from the opening scene doing socialist maths with Bernie (which Bernie wasn’t buying btw), to the parody of the insane leftist who sang a native hymn instead of saying grace at dinner with the Christians, to the gun nut politicians.
 

12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie
It's a shame that Baron Cohen has fallen victim to the Liberal media machine. Clearly, there's no defending the idiocy of arming a 4 year old. However, it's clear of this film's intentions. Where is the footage of dumb beliefs from the left's politicians? You can get equally stupid stuff from higher ranking Democrats like Maxine Walters.

The liberal media machine got his brain rip
 

Arkage

Banned
Nah he was making fun of both sides. I was laughing hysterically throughout the whole episode, from the opening scene doing socialist maths with Bernie (which Bernie wasn’t buying btw), to the parody of the insane leftist who sang a native hymn instead of saying grace at dinner with the Christians, to the gun nut politicians.

I'll have to watch the full episode, I'm glad he lampoons both to an extent.
 

Atrus

Gold Member
Most of the show felt pretty cringy as it was clear the other parties either became aware that something was up, as with the Republican couple suddenly becoming interested in Cohen's Porpoise Cuckold story, or were trying to humour someone while on camera such as Bernie Sanders or the art lady. The Republican couple were quite amusing since it was a good example of wordless communication between husband and wife, with both reacting like a coordinated unit.

The only set-up that worked well was the Kinderguardians bit since he managed to bait the older and clearly ideologically irrational Republicans on gun rights issues. Gaetz being younger had more non-decaying brain cells to question the premise.

Loved the Israeli character, from the way he walks to his attempt at smiling for the kids its hilarious.
 

Panda1

Banned
Wow what a great thread title - EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN in America endorsed arming kids!! Thanks fuck I left America! Wow, clickbait much:p or maybe one crazy fuck thinks its true and you sterotype a whole population with your bigotry. Id like to see you make a thread about Islam like this, based on the mutterings of a fundamentalist, of course you wont as its not an easy target at the white racist boogyman.
 

TheMikado

Banned
Wow what a great thread title - EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN in America endorsed arming kids!! Thanks fuck I left America! Wow, clickbait much:p or maybe one crazy fuck thinks its true and you sterotype a whole population with your bigotry. Id like to see you make a thread about Islam like this, based on the mutterings of a fundamentalist, of course you wont as its not an easy target at the white racist boogyman.

The complete lack of irony or self awareness of this post is staggering.

Either that or we are being trolled hard.
 

Panda1

Banned
The complete lack of irony or self awareness of this post is staggering.

Either that or we are being trolled hard.

No just want to know why every single republican in America want kids to have guns, as misleading thread titles are against the terms (as I have been educated on). DO special rules apply to this thread if so please forgive my ignorance, that its ok to make click-bait headlines when we want to trash republicans.
 

cryptoadam

Banned
It's a shame that Baron Cohen has fallen victim to the Liberal media machine. Clearly, there's no defending the idiocy of arming a 4 year old. However, it's clear of this film's intentions. Where is the footage of dumb beliefs from the left's politicians? You can get equally stupid stuff from higher ranking Democrats like Maxine Walters.

Lets see what else he does with the rest of his episodes, but I hope he doesn't take pot shots at only the right with low hanging fruit. I found this episode though very high in social commentary, lacked comedy, and this is being sold as a comedy.

Also I think the interview with the republican couple was meant to satire the left, or it just went really wrong. He played a total douche extreme parody of a leftist who allows for free bleeding (on a flag) and dolphin cucking. The couple themselves were actually very nice and took what he said as politely as possible. I don't know if he wanted to get a different reaction and they didn't play along, or if the point of it was to satire the far left.
 

cryptoadam

Banned
Most of the show felt pretty cringy as it was clear the other parties either became aware that something was up, as with the Republican couple suddenly becoming interested in Cohen's Porpoise Cuckold story, or were trying to humour someone while on camera such as Bernie Sanders or the art lady. The Republican couple were quite amusing since it was a good example of wordless communication between husband and wife, with both reacting like a coordinated unit.

The only set-up that worked well was the Kinderguardians bit since he managed to bait the older and clearly ideologically irrational Republicans on gun rights issues. Gaetz being younger had more non-decaying brain cells to question the premise.

Loved the Israeli character, from the way he walks to his attempt at smiling for the kids its hilarious.

Did that backfire on him or was he trying to satire the left?

I have a feeling he wanted the Republican couple to reacted differently, in a way that would reflect negatively on them, but instead they came of as completely sane and down to earth while he came off as insane. So I don't know what exactly he was going for on that one. I guess maybe he wanted to get a conservative reaction to more progressive/liberal values but I think he went to far where it was just unbelievable and most people would of called his character a lunatic no matter which side of the spectrum they were on.
 

Panda1

Banned
Lets see what else he does with the rest of his episodes, but I hope he doesn't take pot shots at only the right with low hanging fruit. I found this episode though very high in social commentary, lacked comedy, and this is being sold as a comedy.

Also I think the interview with the republican couple was meant to satire the left, or it just went really wrong. He played a total douche extreme parody of a leftist who allows for free bleeding (on a flag) and dolphin cucking. The couple themselves were actually very nice and took what he said as politely as possible. I don't know if he wanted to get a different reaction and they didn't play along, or if the point of it was to satire the far left.

the show has flop getting less than half a million viewers. I wonder why? We definitely need more media telling us Trump is a Nazi., I mean Im pretty sure not every single person in America has got the message just yet. Also whats with the budget - the make up is terrible!
 

cryptoadam

Banned
the show has flop getting less than half a million viewers. I wonder why? We definitely need more media telling us Trump is a Nazi., I mean Im pretty sure not every single person in America has got the message just yet. Also whats with the budget - the make up is terrible!

because its not funny?

I am a big fan of Cohen but this show fell completely flat. And ya these Trump jokes are starting to fall as flat as George Bush jokes were back in the day.

I will check out the second episode but if its more of the same then I am out. I don't mind jokes at the expense of either the left or the right, but it needs to be funny. A show like prime south park could take shots at both sides and I would be busting a gut. Maybe the concept just doesn't work in this day and age anymore.

TBH I question some of the sincerity in his "guests" and think that some of them are in on it/know whats going on.
 

cryptoadam

Banned
If you have been following his career he stopped being funny a long long time ago

Last thing I think I saw was the dictator which was barely funny.

So I guess I haven't really been following his career that much. My main memories are Ali G and the Borat movie but that was probably close to 2 decades ago.

He was great in Talladega nights though.
 

Super Mario

Banned
After watching the first episode, I will retract my original statement. It does not appear (at least not yet) that this is a left-leaning bias show. I saw this sensationalist headline as usual, and can't remember the last time anything political on TV wasn't heavily biased.

I thought the show was pretty funny.
 
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