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[jmdajr]

There's a myth going around that HFCS makes the body use more insulin and thus increases the risk of Diabetes Type II.

Yes, I believe it's all non sense.

 

[inm8num2]

Wow yeah, that is totally fucked! How can we be so far behind in food science god damn.

The 2014 documentary Fed Up is a pretty good examination of the food industry. Unsurprisingly, much of the discussion revolves around sugar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCUbvOwwfWM

 

[clav]

Yes, I believe it's all non sense.

I think it has some merit.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11906-010-0097-3

 

[jmdajr]

I think it has some merit.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11906-010-0097-3

hmmm

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Wait, apples are being crossbred to have have as much as candy now?!!?

 

[The Lamp]

The Food and Drug Administration also has proposed changing food labels to list added sugars. The current label lists "total sugar," a combination of added and natural sugars. The Sugar Association opposes the labeling change, arguing that there's no scientific reason to differentiate added versus natural sugars.

I'm all for more labeling, but as an engineer I am curious what the scientific reasoning is for this? The Sugar Association doesn't seem to be incorrect on that point. All that matters is the total amount of sugar you are ingesting. If you know added sugar, you can INFER roughly the ratio of bad, sweet sugars (like sucrose and fructose, as opposed to lactose or maltose) you're ingesting compared to other sugars, but not really (unless you know exactly what kinds of sugars are naturally there) so that's not really that accurate or useful.

The use I CAN see is psychologically disturbing the public to the obscene amount of sugar they consume is added to the original food to make it palatable to the sweet-crazy American consumer.

 

[Davey Cakes]

Peanut Butter in plain yogurt is good.

I'll add that the peanut butter being the "no added sugar" kind might also be a plus, especially for someone trying to cut back.

At that point it basically tastes like smooth peanuts and nothing else, but it's still really hearty and satisfying.

 

[jmdajr]

I'll add that the peanut butter being the "no added sugar" kind might also be a plus, especially for someone trying to cut back.

At that point it basically tastes like smooth peanuts and nothing else, but it's still really hearty and satisfying.

The added sugar is almost nothing. It's better than tons of other things.

 

[KTallguy]

Everyone should watch the movie "Fed Up" which is on Netflix right now. It's all about sugar and what a big scam it is, being forced on this country. People have no idea about sugar. That movie will change your life.

Yes. Watch this film.

 

[The Lamp]

Isn't the sugars on the list already added sugars? If you do carbohydrates - sugars is that = 'natural' sugars??

Carbohydrates (simple and complex) are a broad class of molecules.
Sugars are a specific type of carbohydrate called a simple carbohydrate.
Sugars listed on the label are the total amount of carbohydrates that are sugars. Carbohydrates - sugars = other carbohydrates (starches, complex carbohydrates, for example).

None of that informs you of carbohydrates or sugars that were originally in the raw material, and how much was added to sweeten the product material.

There are several kinds of sugars. For instance, galactose occurs naturally in milk. So a new label would differentiate between that and added sucrose or fructose.

While it is true that fructose is the worst of all sugars, you should still limit all of them and consume diligently. So the differentiation is not that useful

Exactly.

 

[Davey Cakes]

One of the most fucked thing with sugar is yogurt. It took me awhile to realize I was doing damage.

Yes they do sell lower sugar varieties, but not many. They waste so much time trying to get rid of all the fat which is non sense. Yogurt needs fucking fat!

Agreed wholeheartedly. I think Dannon came out with a Greek yogurt that finally gets rid of the added sugar AND the fake sweetener that makes reduced-calorie versions taste weird, which is a nice option for once. That said, I haven't tried it so I can't weigh in on how it tastes. I also haven't read the exact ingredients list.

Yogurt is troubling though. I think a cup of Chobani Simply 100 has 6g of sugar and the regular kind (which is 120 calories) has 16g of sugar. 20 calories is barely anything but I'd consider 10g of sugar to be a sizeable difference.

If I buy yogurt it's typically Greek style, and I've found that Fage 2% is the way to go. It has the fat (which is absolutely necessary, I agree), tastes the best of any plain Greek yogurt I've tried, and is wonderful as a heartier version of sour cream in applicable dishes. Mixing in fruit works well too, especially bananas which are sweet yet healthy. A single or partial banana, frozen then thawed and blended with some plain yogurt makes it very sweet and satisfying.

 

[Sniffynose]

I know this is a long article but if you read it and really recognize what it's saying, it will change a lot about how you eat:

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/sugar-problem/refined-sugar-the-sweetest-poison-of-all

Short version - sugar is poison!

The bolded also includes artificial sugar which is super poison too right?

 

[jmdajr]

Agreed wholeheartedly. I think Dannon came out with a Greek yogurt that finally gets rid of the added sugar AND the fake sweetener that makes reduced-calorie versions taste weird, which is a nice option for once. That said, I haven't tried it so I can't weigh in on how it tastes. I also haven't read the exact ingredients list.

Yogurt is troubling though. I think a cup of Chobani Simply 100 has 6g of sugar and the regular kind (which is 120 calories) has 16g of sugar. 20 calories is barely anything but I'd consider 10g of sugar to be a sizeable difference for what should be a simple and hearty snack.

If I buy yogurt it's typically Greek style, and I've found that Fage 2% is the way to go. It has the fat (which is absolutely necessary, I agree), tastes the best of any plain Greek yogurt I've tried, and is wonderful as a heartier version of sour cream in applicable dishes. Mixing in fruit works well too, especially bananas which are sweet yet healthy. A single or partial banana, frozen then thawed and blended with some plain yogurt makes it very sweet and satisfying.

Fage is great but holy shit does it do a number on my digestive tract. I can't handle the stuff in it. Good bacteria, whatever it is.

 

[Davey Cakes]

Fage is great but holy shit does it do a number on my digestive tract. I can't handle the stuff in it. Good bacteria, whatever it is.

Have you tried the Chobani 4% Milkfat version? Taste-wise it's a solid substitute.

Cabot 4% is one of the worst things I've ever tasted. WAY too sour.

 

[The Lamp]

The bolded also includes artificial sugar which is super poison too right?

It doesn't matter inherently if something is artificial or natural, that just tells you where it came from. What matters is the molecule, no matter how it got there. Fructose and sucrose sugar molecules are bad for your liver and metabolism.

 

[jmdajr]

I don't know where I read or heard this, but the sugar in fruit by some form of evolution etc., is basically there to trick you to eat it. So you can get the fiber,vitamins,minerals etc. That's it.

 

[jooey]

I don't know where I read or heard this, but the sugar in fruit by some form of evolution etc., is basically there to trick you to eat it. So you can get the fiber,vitamins,minerals etc. That's it.

those fucking crafty mangoes!!

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I'm too lazy to track what percent of my calorie intake is sugar, so I think I'll just stick to tracking calories.

 

[bionic77]

First our guns.

Now Obummer wants our sugar.

Last will be freedom.

 

[jmdajr]

Have you tried the Chobani 4% Milkfat version? Taste-wise it's a solid substitute.

Cabot 4% is one of the worst things I've ever tasted. WAY too sour.

Hmm. Never seen that one. I'll have to look. Right now I am eating for branded for diabetics.

 

[jmdajr]

those fucking crafty mangoes!!

lol!

yeah. I hear ya on that one!

Sucks cause they are awesome!

 

[The Lamp]

I'm too lazy to track what percent of my calorie intake is sugar, so I think I'll just stick to tracking calories.

The thing is, you should limit sugar because sugar damages your metabolism, makes it harder to maintain a healthy weight, and harms your liver, pancreas, and cardiovascular health over time.

What makes limiting sugar intake ACTUALLY difficult is how much food (80% of grocery store) is loaded with sugar. Because the American public loves sugar. They are used to it being in all their food. They demand it. Because the general public is grossly uneducated on basic nutrition, and because they're hooked to a sweet diet.

 

[jmdajr]

I'm too lazy to track what percent of my calorie intake is sugar, so I think I'll just stick to tracking calories.

I find this to be almost useless. If you get rid of flour,rice,potatoes and basically anything from the junk food ile. it's almost impossible to get fat.

Carbs are just insanely easy to consume.

Yeah trans fat is bad, but where is trans fat? fucking carbs. Every damn thing that is baked!

 

[akira28]

I get most of my sugar from meat anyway, so, ok. I'll just keep on using this Korean bulgogi marinade...

 

[The Lamp]

Hmm. Never seen that one. I'll have to look. Right now I am eating for yogurt branded for diabetics.

I think I'll start buying that.

With these things you typically have 4 scenarios.
1) customers demand sweetness, use sugar (bad for you)
2) customers demand sweetness, use aspartame (metabolically harmless, but some detect aftertaste)
3) customers demand sweetness, use stevia (metabolically harmless, expensive to use, but some detect aftertaste)
4) customers demand sweetness, use sucralose (metabolically harmless, but some detect aftertaste)

I prefer options 2-4 for my health.

 

[Matt]

Fruit is fine. There is no added sugar in fruit. It's the amount of sugar that's supposed to be in it, according to nature. The fiber in fruit helps you absorb the sugar more slowly, which is good.

The fiber part is true, but "nature" does not give a fuck about you. "Nature" does not have a consciousness, and is not making decisions of any kind.

I don't know where I read or heard this, but the sugar in fruit by some form of evolution etc., is basically there to trick you to eat it. So you can get the fiber,vitamins,minerals etc. That's it.

Same thing here. Nothing added the sugar to fruit to look out for your wellbeing.

 

[Ooccoo]

 

[NoblesseOblige]

The thing is, you should limit sugar because sugar damages your metabolism, makes it harder to maintain a healthy weight, and harms your liver, pancreas, and cardiovascular health over time.

Then I may just be lucky in that the same diet I've had for the last 2 years must be low in sugar, because maintaining my weight has been super easy and deviates an average of 0.6% from its median every time I weigh myself.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I find this to be almost useless. If you get rid of flour,rice,potatoes and basically anything from the junk food ile. it's almost impossible to get fat.

Carbs are just insanely easy to consume.

Yeah trans fat is bad, but where is trans fat? fucking carbs. Every damn thing that is baked!

What about if you are already fat?

 

[jmdajr]

What about if you are already fat?

I'm thinking a lot of weight is going to come off.

 

[The Lamp]

Then I may just be lucky in that the same diet I've had for the last 2 years must be low in sugar, because maintaining my weight has been super easy and deviates an average of 0.6% from its median every time I weigh myself.

Good for you. Fair warning, though, scale weight can be misleading because it weighs bone, fat, muscle, water and everything else all together. Also a high sugar or high alcohol diet can deposit dangerous visceral fat into your organs (called TOFI, thin on the outside fat on the inside), which won't show up on your waistline or anywhere else you think there's weight gain.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Good for you. Fair warning, though, scale weight can be misleading because it weighs bone, fat, muscle, water an everything else all togethers. Also a high sugar or high alcohol diet can deposit dangerous visceral fat into your organs (called TOFI, thin on the outside fat on the inside), which won't show up on your waistline or anywhere else you think there's weight gain.

Well I weight myself at least 4 times a day, and like I said, it deviates an average of 0.6%. I don't drink sodas or alcohol either.

 

[The Lamp]

Well I weight myself at least 4 times a day, and like I said, it deviates an average of 0.6%. I don't drink sodas or alcohol either.

Good. It's amazing. Cutting soda and alcohol alone for some people can drop peoples weight significantly. It's the result of sugar/alcohol and it's calories on your metabolism, liver, and pancreas!

 

[Dennis]

How does something taste too sweet and bland at the same time?

Sweet is blandness. The absence of other flavors.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Good. It's amazing. Cutting soda and alcohol alone for some people can drop peoples weight significantly. It's the result of sugar/alcohol and it's calories on your metabolism, liver, and pancreas!

Yeah, dropping soda several years ago lost me 30 lbs in a year. I didn't even increase exercise until after that. Luckily I never had to drop alcohol as I could never stand the taste to really stomach it to begin with. Now though I feel a bit unwell on the rare occasion I have a soda once or twice a year.

 

[FLUXCapacitor]

I feel like I've been reading this same thing every few months for the past decade. Thought this was pretty much common knowledge by now?

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Still way, way too high.

 

[kame-sennin]

Are they wrong though? I think listing natural sugars separately is more harmful tbh

So they can stop putting sugar in my fucking bread. People will gravitate towards the few bread manufacturers who don't add sugar - because it tastes the fucking same either way - and manufacturers will be forced to cut the shit.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Stick to alcohol ok.

Yep. Gotta stay healthy my friend

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

lol.. this so stupid.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

The American sugar intake is insane.

Sodas, candy, cakes etc all taste way too sweet and bland over here.

Make up your mind

 

[Hoo-doo]

I think anyone that's remotely health- or weight-conscious would have taken steps to limit their intake of sugar by now.

First order of business is cut out the softdrinks. I mean seriously. Grow up, cut that shit out.

 

[entremet]

Oils are pretty much unnecessary, so this thing is a mess.

Also, who eats that much meat? Damn.

 

[The Lamp]

Oils are pretty much unnecessary, so this thing is a mess.

Also, who eats that much meat? Damn.

No. Oils are technically lipids/fatty acids just like fats, and some have numerous health benefits.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

No. Oils are technically lipids/fatty acids just like fats, and some have numerous health benefits.

in small quantities.

 

[akira28]

Sweet is blandness. The absence of other flavors.

are you eating real baked goods or store-bought stuff?

because it's common knowledge that stuff at the stores and in many commercial food places are just wheat and sugar.

 

[Pagusas]

Oils are pretty much unnecessary, so this thing is a mess.

Also, who eats that much meat? Damn.

I do, chicken is our primary food in our dinners. Followed by vegetables than grains. I think you'll find meats are the primary diet of most Americans.

 

[diamount]

Maybe cut down on the refined carbs you suggest people take up too.

 

[The Lamp]

in small quantities.

Depends. What exactly is a feasibly large quantity of omega-3 oils?

 

[infinitys_7th]

Hell, yeah. That's how I have been living for a year and a half now. It has absolutely been life changing. I'm never hungry now, and I used to be ravenous.

High fat meats, cheese, a variety of fiber-rich vegetables, nuts, berries, and water and other sugar-free drinks (mostly tea, though I love Diet Dr. Pepper). I'm usually around 30 carbs a day, and it works great for me.

#ketoforlife