Bullet Club
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Things are getting...steamy...in the game streaming wars.
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Valve is working on "Steam Cloud Gaming"
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Things are getting...steamy...in the game streaming wars.
Melon Husk
Member
lol vaporware
I expect them to succeed. Steam machines in the cloud + lite client model makes more sense than their previous approach (but I wish they stopped culturing magic money trees and made games again)
I expect them to succeed. Steam machines in the cloud + lite client model makes more sense than their previous approach (but I wish they stopped culturing magic money trees and made games again)
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
HL3 launch title, confirmed.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Or literally anything that anyone that uses Steam has asked for. If they need a list of stuff people actually care about, I'd be happy to oblige them.
adamosmaki
Member
Valve probably wants its back covered in case streaming becomes norm and they dont want to be left behind . It makes sense
Oh and f***k streaming
Oh and f***k streaming
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I could definitely see the appeal over existing alternatives. For starters, if this were like Stadia you wouldn't have to install the games or worry about keeping them patched. There have been a few instances where I was like "oh man it might be fun to jump in this game for an afternoon and then probably never play it again" and been greeted with a 80GB download that would take several hours to finish. I end up noping out and playing something else.
But as others have said, there are a lot of things I'd rather see Valve work on before something like this - mainly because, like you said, alternatives exist.
matheusnienow
Neo Member
If this is a option where you pay to play your games in a cloud machine and you still have the option to download the game and play on your pc, it's awesome.
FeldMonster
Member
Hmm, this may actually get me to try Steam and/or "PC" gaming. Now I don't have to buy some fancy shmancy computer, I can just use my laptop. If it works in a browser, I could perhaps even play it on my TV through my Xbox.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
A big company like Steam investing in Cloud Gaming shows that Cloud Gaming matters.
nikolino840
Member
Is not only streaming like stadia or PS now,Is like also like crackdown 3 and Flight Simulator
Less stress on the hardware becouse something Is on the servers
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Probably gonna need a subscription service (to cover its costs independently from the software sales, rather than have developers ask for a cut from the subscription, they already get the cut from the game sale and this is just a Steam feature just like family sharing or remote play together, those just happen to be free services instead as they don't have much overhead). It's gonna add crazy overhead to their servers without additional income beyond the sale of the software. Technically you can already stress Steam servers as you can download your games as many times as you want at will but realistically most don't do this too often. Such a service opens up a lot of possibilities like playing without downloading/installing the games you do own, doing that for family shared libraries without waiting at all to try the newly added games, playing on secondary (or primary but not upgraded in a while) weaker machines that wouldn't run the games at all (or acceptably) otherwise and so on. As an optional side feature you can choose to pay for and utilize it's pretty great if it works well enough to justify its existence, as the only way to play as in Stadia however not so much.
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Helios
Member
Hire this man already, Gabe !
Barakov
Gold Member
That could definitely happen. HL2, CS : Source was the gateway drug if you will, for Steam. For Steam Cloud streaming HL3 could be the thing that gets people on board for it. Just for PC though. I think the console versions of game streaming is pretty far off.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Valve already has pretty significant investments in CDNs around the world - and like you said they're already providing bandwidth (which gets cheaper the farther you scale your operation upwards) for things like downloading game files to customers.
The sweet spot for Vavle - in my opinion - would be to only allow cloud streaming for games while they're being downloaded in the background. Or more accurately, to stream the game assets to the local PC while doing full rendered streaming in the data center. This would give games the illusion of running "in the cloud", but the benefit of being able to hand off the assets to a local machine until eventually all assets exist on the local machine and the game is no longer running in the data center. Game streaming services are definitely systems with front-loaded benefits for content providers. If you have an 80GB game (I'm looking at you, Destiny 2) and you're trying to deliver said data to jshackles who only maybe wants to play your game for an hour, it takes less data to stream the game - even at 4K - for said hour then it would be to waste 80GB having him load all of the game's assets locally and then launching the game, connecting to your matchmaking services and server infrastructure, etc. Now if, while you're streaming the game this way, you could also stream the game's assets locally - front-loaded to what is needed immediately - then if he changes his mind and wants to keep playing then the longer he plays the less frame data you're streaming and the more he's playing with local assets - until he's got all of the assets locally and can run the game 100% on his own hardware.
Of course, to do this would be a significant shift in how games are delivered, how assets are packaged, and be a huge pipeline headache for developers. It would also cut off the scenario where someone wants to play Grand Theft Auto V on their phone. I guess it all really comes down to what exactly they're trying to accomplish with this feature. Are they doing it to save bandwidth? Or are they doing it to entice new players into their ecosystem?
Kadayi
Banned
I kind of like the idea that I can log in somewhere using my Steam credentials and have ready streaming access to my existing catalogue. I'm just not entirely convinced that bandwidth is fully up to the challenge at this point in time. but try before you buy streamed demos would be a decent idea. I must admit I was a bit 'oof' when I saw Destiny 2 was 80 GB and it was like 'I'm not even sure if this is my thing ' (I downloaded it, but I still haven't played it yet tbh).
ResilientBanana
Member
I am completely shocked.
I am playing on Ge Force Now cloud for like year now and its been great experience.It is indeed future of gaming but not for people with good PC's and people who can afford parts whenever they want but for millions and millions of players who can't.
Market around people who missed this entire generation and won't be able to catch up with next is big.
Lot of potential $$$ to be made.
In my opinion cloud gaming will be gateway for entire generation of gamers new and old who at end gonna end up on PC or console.
On your own PC you are master of your fate but on cloud you are in their hands.
Before playing on current cloud i was on another one and everything negative people said in thread "Cloud gaming is future of gaming" happened and worse.
Valve entering race with nvida,microsoft,ea and potentially amazon and few others is great news for us cloud gamers because price and service will be better(i hope lol).
Market around people who missed this entire generation and won't be able to catch up with next is big.
Lot of potential $$$ to be made.
In my opinion cloud gaming will be gateway for entire generation of gamers new and old who at end gonna end up on PC or console.
On your own PC you are master of your fate but on cloud you are in their hands.
Before playing on current cloud i was on another one and everything negative people said in thread "Cloud gaming is future of gaming" happened and worse.
Valve entering race with nvida,microsoft,ea and potentially amazon and few others is great news for us cloud gamers because price and service will be better(i hope lol).
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Slings and Arrows
Banned
Fuck streaming.
I wonder if someone will make a dedicated hand-held capable of streaming? Maybe now is a perfect time for a PSvita 2?
I wonder if someone will make a dedicated hand-held capable of streaming? Maybe now is a perfect time for a PSvita 2?
llien
Banned
That's Valve's "oh, someone might threaten our monopoly".
The previous time was when Microsoft was rolling out its software store.
That is how we got that lousy "steam box" program, with "steam console" which was somehow supposed to detach you from windows, while offerring options to stream from a windows machine to a "steam box".
Remind me, how well that brilliant, constantly innovating company, and not some lousy fat monopolist motherfucker company, initiative went.
The previous time was when Microsoft was rolling out its software store.
That is how we got that lousy "steam box" program, with "steam console" which was somehow supposed to detach you from windows, while offerring options to stream from a windows machine to a "steam box".
Remind me, how well that brilliant, constantly innovating company, and not some lousy fat monopolist motherfucker company, initiative went.
Kadayi
Banned
llien
Banned
Let's argue about semantics, shall weMaybe learn what a monopoly is before opening your trap in future.
Kadayi
Banned
Kind of important when you're trying to make a point versus be pointless.
sol_bad
Member
Where and how did Gabe touch you? Or are you jealous and bitter that a fat man is richer than you?
Makoto-Yuki
Gold Member
Steam Stream
I like it
I like it
llien
Banned
Valve has a dominant position as PC game software store. It doesn't matter if it is called monopoly, bazinga or radasma.
Kadayi
Banned
It matters a great deal when discussing these issues tbh. If Valve truly were a monopoly they'd have shut out Epic a long time ago.
llien
Banned
That's an interesting way to define "monopoly" although, I don't find it feasible.
Kadayi
Banned
Well that's because you don't really understand what a monopoly is. Being a market leader doesn't make you one by default as you seem to purport.
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llien
Banned
You've conveniently replaced "dominant position" with "market leader". The latter might or might not have dominant market powers. In some countries, one crossing 30% of market share becomes a subject of monitoring by respective agencies.
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Kadayi
Banned
Keep wheedling all you want Ilien Still doesn't make then an actual Monopoly regardless of how much you protest. At this juncture, I honestly wonder who you're trying to convince otherwise save yourself
llien
Banned
I don't care enough to argue about semantics. Valve has a dominant position in the market, call it Bazinga or Radamsa if it sounds better.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
The question is whether or not Valve can convince enough of their people to stop devising how to make money from the trading of cosmetics and virtual trade good economics to actually develop this. I wouldn't be surprised if they outsource 90% of the labor on this.
Kadayi
Banned
NPC much?
so this shit from valve is ok but google stadia streaming is not ? you must use more that brain of yours , and less read crap online. cloud gaming plz. everybody will do it . and we will use it . i would use it today instead of pc or any console if it could be decent.
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