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Vatican threatens legal action after artist photographs gay couples kissing in church
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Escape Goat
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I know its intended to be a vague response but I'd love to hear their answers when pressed to describe what it means.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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Churches over zealous over paid lawyers out ambulance chasing? Most probably.
ComputerMKII
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If that's not provocation I don't know what it is.
Escape Goat
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why cant we control our boners
Joel Was Right
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The rationalisation Orquin gives isn't sustainable. What would he, as a Catholic, then say to an unmarried couple sleeping together, for example?
CarpeDeezNutz
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Is kissing in church a thing now? (Aside from a marriage ceremony) straight or gay.
BruceLeeRoy
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Church is liable to tell anyone, gay or straight to 'take it outside'. And I could see them objecting to the use of their buildings which they actually own the likenesses of. If he's making this into a calendar or something, they're going to say no. Art exhibit in town? Just makes it so their lawyers don't have to buy plane tickets.
As a Catholic I'd say he who throws the first stone mumbo jumble bumblefuck. Plenty of us had premarital sex. I even somehow conned my wife into it after proposing marriage.
grap3fruitman
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Take photos of something the church approves instead: pastors sexually abusing minors in front of those same religious symbols.
Hilarious.
These are the 'omg, religious expression is under fire! our freedoms!' people, yet they are happy to use the law to suppress personal or artistic expression.
If they want to sue artists for portraying same sex kissing in churches, maybe gay people should start suing religious who preach their putrid ethos through schools etc.
These are the 'omg, religious expression is under fire! our freedoms!' people, yet they are happy to use the law to suppress personal or artistic expression.
If they want to sue artists for portraying same sex kissing in churches, maybe gay people should start suing religious who preach their putrid ethos through schools etc.
NathanMcMahon
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What a stupid over the top response. The photos suck too. Everybody loses.
awesome
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Unfortunately doing these things on the property of the Church leave this artist open to be taken to task.
In regards to schools that are Catholic, they are their domain ........ if you disagree with the doctrine then choose a different school.
I disagree with the majority of the churches doctrine but in their buildings and their schools it's their world.
They're all too old for that to happen.
Stellactic
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You start a fight you better expect retaliation. However this fight is going to lead to a lot of anger and argument amongst the Catholic community. Which is the point of these pictures. Exciting stuff.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Why even kiss in church though? Straight or gay I don't want to see that shit. (Catholic)
iamshadowlark
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This is what I was about to say.
God finds a way.
How edgy.
I really would like them to try this in the other monotheism temples.
By the way: when I was a teenager i used to kiss my girlfriend very demonstratively when we were in a church because, well, I thought it was provocative (yeah).
And once a woman scolded us. A straight couple.
I really would like them to try this in the other monotheism temples.
By the way: when I was a teenager i used to kiss my girlfriend very demonstratively when we were in a church because, well, I thought it was provocative (yeah).
And once a woman scolded us. A straight couple.
Really? If you open your property to the public and someone takes a photo, it's illegal?
Even if that were the case, it seems funny to me when the Church complains about protection of their expression if they're going to use the law, where available, to suppress expression they're unhappy with. And all this is an expression.
OK then, how about when the Church interferes with politics? Communicates their ethos through non-Catholic media to effect a political influence? Francis came out recently and said that it was a good Catholic who meddled in politics. I'm sick of that as a gay person, but I live with it. I'm not suing them over it.
As for schools et al...I personally think it should not be the domain of any religious organisation. It is unfortunate that in some countries the Church, or Catholic organisations, were the only organisations resourced enough to provide kids with an education. A gay kid attending such a school doesn't typically get a chance to stand up and say enough and simply pick another school. That's a failing of the state of course, but the Church is happy to fill in for those failings given the influence it affords them. But I digress...
How does it hurt the Church's image?
It's pretty obvious the artist is not falsely claiming an endorsement of gay couples by the church.
This is a protest piece, at most.
Like I said, it seems to me that the Church is all about freedom of conscience or expression or of meddling in politics as long as there is no flow back in the other direction, against the Church.
CarpeDeezNutz
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People seem to overlook the obvious. It's a place of worship not a place to make your political movement. Gay or straight I don't want to see you kissing in my place of worship. It's a house of god take that outside. Despite what everyone thinks there are devout Catholics out there.
The church happily meddles and encourage religious meddling outside of its own sphere, on gay issues and many others. If it can't take traffic back in the other direction then that's not very sportsmanlike.
(And I'm sure you're not missing the symbolism...this isn't about PDAs for the sake of it in a place of worship. Catholic marriages are typically sealed with a kiss at the altar, and marriage and marriage equality and the church is what the artist's messaging is about...)
CarpeDeezNutz
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Thats a good point, it's not what Catholicism is to me but you make a good point.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Yeah but it's not a union they are just trying to be edgy.
I didn't see cathlics invading gay right centers, or making photo with, let's say bibles, inside. And if it ever has been the case , then it's equally childish. A church is not the street.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Tell that to Pussy Riot.
And parliaments are not religious houses. Yet Cardinals across the world lean on politicians to yield a desired result while holding the fate of their souls in the balance whenever socially progressive legislation pops up. The Catholic Church meddles outside its houses. Pope Francis has welcomed it, and Catholics defend their right to do this under freedom of conscience and expression.
But yet they're not to expect counter protest on their own turf?
As for gay right centers, I have no idea, I've never been in a 'gay rights center'. But I have been to pride marches which have enjoyed the side show protest of religious groups. They were not sued. I've seen gay bars receive religiously motivated demands and threats to shut down. Obviously in the latter case police were involved, but I think you'll agree it's slightly different when people are potentially at harm. Catholic gay kids have damaging messaging rammed down their throats without any choice of their own in the matter, because of deliberate moves by Catholic organisations to place themselves in key parts of social infrastructure in poorer countries.
The catholic church puts its fingers in many pies to the offence of many. I personally wouldn't mount a protest like this one, but I find it hard to feel sympathy, and see hypocrisy in the Church potentially wielding the law against protest like this.
CarpeDeezNutz
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One anecdotal story condemns the whole religion? (Do not know the story fill me in)
Ever been to a church wedding?
I prefer my weddings sans gospel. Less talk, more rock.
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