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Vatican top diplomat says Ireland gay marriage vote is 'defeat for humanity'
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I went to Christian Brothers College for three years, you don't need to point out the hypocrisy of the Catholic church to me.
Almost beat the shit out of a senile old fuck named (and I shit you not) Brother Seaman who asked if I wanted to sit on his lap when we were forced to give confession. I was 14.
Night Hunter
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Well, religion is a defeat for intelligence, so I can kind of live with their opinion.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I drink these tears.
Solid Samus
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because we haven't discovered aliens yet
no, Vatican already has an answer for that. It'd just be incorporated.
Piston Hyundai
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maybe they should shut their god damn mouths until they stop fucking children
ElectricKaibutsu
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How about all the pro gay Catholics? Or do they fuck children too?
Thequietone
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Think he is referring to the Vatican itself and not Catholics.
Phrozenflame500
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I'm sure the Church is seeing the way the wind's blowing and will end up conceding more and more to the growing acceptance of homosexuality. Even if it's just for pragmatic reasons and not actually fully reversing their bigotry.
Until then though, we'll have to hear more of this bullshit.
Until then though, we'll have to hear more of this bullshit.
Portugeezer
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What do they not like about homosexuality? Ignoring lesbian, is it because penis doesn't go in vagina?
Someone tell them many straight people of "faith" (lol use that term loosely) practise anal sex. So it is only a problem to humanity if gay people do it?
Someone tell them many straight people of "faith" (lol use that term loosely) practise anal sex. So it is only a problem to humanity if gay people do it?
It's completely dogmatic and not based on any sort of reasoning that makes sense from a secular perspective.
ElectricKaibutsu
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Oh, well, that's alright then.
Rich, coming from a church who's claim to fame over the last century is generating a huge number of child rapists, while attempting to cover the entire thing up when they're finally called out on it.
If gay marriage is 'a defeat for humanity', then what is enabling and defending child rape?
If gay marriage is 'a defeat for humanity', then what is enabling and defending child rape?
Wickerbasket
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Priests abusing children in our organisation? We'll cover that up and move them to a new congregation.
Marriage between two gay people who love each other? Moral outrage! Defeat for humanity!
Yeah, I think we can all be forgiven for not holding the moral authority of an organisation that covers up child abuse very highly.
All they'd need is little skulls on their hats to make it clearer who the bad guys are.
For the Catholic hierarchy, it's sadly business as usual.
They have absolutely zero moral authority on anything, ever, for the rest of time.
Aeriscloud
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My dream of defeating humanity is almost complete, great work Ireland.
Now I just need all the animals to turn.
Now I just need all the animals to turn.
I also find it hard to believe that the second guy in the Vatican's hierarchy would say such things in a press conference if he didn't know that his boss would approve of them.
The Pope hasn't said anything, and the Vatican hasn't officially said anything. That thread that was just locked had an inaccurate title.
Air Zombie Meat
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lol, riiight. Denying people equal rights is so humanitarian.
Yeah this is good cop bad cop. High Ranking dude says some bullshit, but the pope can still look like super cool fun guy.
I tend to guess that a lot of Catholics have drifted away because the Church seems, at times, disproportionately obsessed with sex-based sin, ranting and dwelling on it to the point where lots of folks are turned-off.
Making things worse: now that so many people have come out, the Church is having a harder time getting its charges to stick against LGBT people. Folks can see with their own eyes that LGBT people aren't monsters or deviants, and that they live lives that are stunningly similar to those of straight folks. The same struggles, the same hopes, the same fears, the same motivations.
We cherish our families just as much as straight folks. More and more people see this and empathize, and it's hard to reconcile what they see in their daily lives with the Church's idea of a God who would say, "yep, I made you this way.. but you don't get to have a love story or a family of your own. Sorry!" *shruggyface*
The Church wouldn't even have to do a complete 180, I don't think. Just stop fucking obsessing over it. There are tons of mortal sins and abominations to choose from, and yet this one and a few others get the grand focus of the Church?
There will always be "cultural Catholics." But the Church's presence in our daily lives will dwindle if it insists on this obsession.
Making things worse: now that so many people have come out, the Church is having a harder time getting its charges to stick against LGBT people. Folks can see with their own eyes that LGBT people aren't monsters or deviants, and that they live lives that are stunningly similar to those of straight folks. The same struggles, the same hopes, the same fears, the same motivations.
We cherish our families just as much as straight folks. More and more people see this and empathize, and it's hard to reconcile what they see in their daily lives with the Church's idea of a God who would say, "yep, I made you this way.. but you don't get to have a love story or a family of your own. Sorry!" *shruggyface*
The Church wouldn't even have to do a complete 180, I don't think. Just stop fucking obsessing over it. There are tons of mortal sins and abominations to choose from, and yet this one and a few others get the grand focus of the Church?
There will always be "cultural Catholics." But the Church's presence in our daily lives will dwindle if it insists on this obsession.
It's more about there being a physical and spiritual union. Two pegs can't form a piece or something.
I think you'll never see the church abandon its stance on homosexuality, but you'll see them support a states/countries right to it. Also, this guy is speaking out of place considering the massive amount of human rights violations the Catholic Church has in Ireland.
ephemeral garbage
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Actually, that's a common misconception, Vatican Top Diplomat. Homosexual persons are actually called to acts, nay, feats of incredible, mind-blowing homosexuality. It's asexual people / folks with low libidos that are called to chastity. Understandable how you could mix that up if you've been raised exclusively among heterosexuals your whole life, though. Happy to help educate!
Screaming Meat
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Dear cunts in charge of religion: your fucking guidebook or whatever the fucking thing is don't half give me the horn...
The concern of the church for where people put their genitals is consistently baffling. I do not understand. I don't think I ever will.
I can't imagine a world in which my response to being told "two guys are fucking each other!" is not "who cares?"
When your ideology demands a real and tangible human rights victory be called a defeat for humanity, you must reexamine your beliefs.
I can't imagine a world in which my response to being told "two guys are fucking each other!" is not "who cares?"
When your ideology demands a real and tangible human rights victory be called a defeat for humanity, you must reexamine your beliefs.
snoopeasystreet
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What else would you expect a 60 year old cardinal to say?
iamverificationimage
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Fuck the Vatican, the catholic church screwed us in Ireland in more ways than one, while covering up the abuse of our children and locking our sisters, mothers and grandmothers up in Magdalene Laundries for years.
The yes vote is the right step of direction for Ireland, I hope we can remove the church from our public schools next. I wish the government would get onto that as soon as realistically possible.
I hope De Valera is spinning in his grave, we could really use him as an alternative energy source to nuclear energy to power Ireland the right way we're going.
The yes vote is the right step of direction for Ireland, I hope we can remove the church from our public schools next. I wish the government would get onto that as soon as realistically possible.
I hope De Valera is spinning in his grave, we could really use him as an alternative energy source to nuclear energy to power Ireland the right way we're going.
I think he's referring to the church' stand on the subject. People often forget that the church mandate is to only have sex IN MARRIAGE and WHEN WANTING TO PROCREATE. You'd think that 99% of catholics breaking that law would soften then on homosexuality, but if course it doesn't.
You guys should really have a look at the church's catechism. It's highly educational and entertaining.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
CadetMahoney
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I guess all the "I love this pope!" "greatest pope ever" jumped the gun a little too early. Probably the same folk that pre-order games.
SomedayTheFire
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The catholic church has done absolutely nothing but harm to this country. I'll celebrate when it's dead.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Pope still hasn't said anything but please continue to spread misinformation like the others getting a hard-on that they think they can finally prove he's the hateful person they've always hated.
CornBurrito
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I've seen plenty of older people be completely fine with gay marriage.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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That's not the same thing at all though...
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