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border said:
To call it a scam is very unfair. There's really nothing deceptive or fraudulent about it. It is better described as "a really shitty job with a high turnover rate"....which is why they are always hiring.

It's like any other sales job -- if you are very good at it and you get the right leads/contacts, you can make a ton of money. If you are not very good at it you are wasting your time and will feel more and more humiliated with each sales pitch. It's a pyramid system, so if you work your way up the line you can make crazy money by doing hardly anything. As a grunt you really have to work your ass off, but managers make comission just on the sales of their underlings.

Cutco confuses the hell out of me. It's like they are stuck in some kind of time warp. They refuse to sell their product over the internet or through catalogs or through TV mail-order. Probably 20-30% of each sale goes towards commission for the managing sales rep his underlings....they could be making a real killing if they would just set up a website. Yet they don't...

The reason they don't sell over the web is because no one would buy their knives.

The only reason they get sales is because of the sales people selling them. Friends, family, etc feel bad and buy these shitty overpriced knives. Web ordering would get zero sales.
 

border

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Maxwell House said:
The reason they don't sell over the web is because no one would buy their knives.
There's at least a thousand people bidding on Cutco products on eBay right now.

You are right though, their scheme allows them to exploit the "pity demographic". I don't think most people feel enough pity to drop $120+ on freakin' knives.
 

Manders

Banned
scam. i went to an interview once not knowing you sell freaking knives AND you have to pay for them. WTF?!

this other time a kid in my marketing class fuckin gave a presentation and he didn't say you sell knives. someone asked at the end of the presentation what you sell and he said talk to me after class. what a fuckin douche
 

miyuru

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Cutco knives are seriously good knives. You can't sell them in stores really, because who would buy a knife for such a ridiculous price? But with a demonstration, you start to understand why they're so high-priced...
 
border said:
When I worked there the receptionist was the hot girl. She probably had a better job than anyone else in there besides the manager.

One amusing detail from my experience was that on day 1 they get you to make up a list of everyone you know that you might be able to pitch their product to. Well I ran out of names real fast, so I just started making shit up. I don't know why the hell I thought this was a good idea, because I was just left with some huge list of fake names and numbers to try and get my sales base started. Calling people that you only vaguely know (friends of parents, parents of friends, etc) and begging for an appointment is well....."humbling" might be a generous way to put it.
You're laughing at the wrong thing, though I think my original statement might have been misleading. You get $12.50 per appointment, no matter what....even if they don't buy a thing. If you sell more than $125 in merchandise then you get 10% of the final sale price.

Himuro did mis the fact that it's probably impossible to do more than 4 appointments per day, unless you are either very lucky and a master of scheduling. Even if you get lucky and make 5 appointments that's only like $62 in a day. It's more like $8.30 an hour once you consider that the presentation takes about 60 minutes, but there's going to be at least 30 minutes of travel time to and from your appointments. So you can either stick with this rough job that has you working a ton of unpaid hours (there's all kinds of meetings and phone reports)....or you can make about the same in a crappy retail or manual labor job.

You really really have to sell the knives to make Cutco worth all the time and effort, but best of luck to Himuro. It might really be your thing -- my sister's roommate made a boatload with that company. Well you can write off gas costs on your taxes, but I'm not sure how it would work with the general cost of wear and tear on the car. They hire people as "contractors" so you have to work out your own taxes and will never get any kind of health insurance.....on the upside that at least means you get paid under the table.

you dont have to tell me. i've gone on the whole interview process. i was just remenbering the experience
 

bionic77

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border said:
When I worked there the receptionist was the hot girl. She probably had a better job than anyone else in there besides the manager.

You're laughing at the wrong thing, though I think my original statement might have been misleading. You get $12.50 per appointment, no matter what....even if they don't buy a thing. If you sell more than $125 in merchandise then you get 10% of the final sale price.

Hmm, the girl at the office I worked at was nasty. :(

And not that it makes a bit of differnece, but your commission goes up after you reach certain sales milestones. I think after your first $1000 it goes up to 15% and at some point it goes up to 20% and 25%. I think I was at 20% when I finished. They give you all sorts of shitty garbage when you reach each sales milestone. I have a couple of "lean, mean, knife selling machine" t-shirts that obviously cost like 10 cents to make. And they give you pins or some shit too.

You know everyone is saying it is mostly "pity" sales, but honestly my friends and family were my worst customers. My mom yelled at me for my entire presentation that I should have gotten a real job. She did buy one of the smaller sets at the end of the summer and the steak knives (amazing steak knives I must say). :lol

I made a lot more money in the 6-8 weeks I worked at cutco than I would have made working at retail though so overall it was worth it for me. But the experience was miserable. *

*Spending the money on videogames, cds, and a new car stereo was sweet though. :D
 

border

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Yeah, they say you can make good cash if you just get on a streak and get great leads. I'm sure there's loyal customers who just want you to skip the presentation and place an order. It's also a great way to network, and you probably meet a lot of moms that want to find nice guys for their daughters (or even the occaisional mom that wants a little action on the side :D).

If you were crooked there's probably a way to scam Cutco too.....buy a set of knives for yourself (through a 3rd party that you make an appointment with), collect the commission, then sell the knives individually on eBay. It'd probably be a lot more complex than that though (and would require a big capital outlay).
bionic77 said:
I have a couple of "lean, mean, knife selling machine" t-shirts that obviously cost like 10 cents to make.
Can I have one?
 

bionic77

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border said:
Can I have one?

Let me check my closet to see if I have any clean ones left. They are all XXL for some reason. I always used them when I was going to be gardening or doing something where I was going to get dirty. I also used them to buff some of my shoes. :lol
 

Miguel

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SnowWolf said:
Wait... wasn't there a popular movie or TV show that had a main character going around selling knives? I want to say Friends, but I dunno...

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"HEY BOBBAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
 

Tarazet

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LakeEarth said:
Haha... it's funny, you guys keep talking about your experiences with this shit and then an hour later Himuro gives an update that basically repeats their experience verbetum, I'm beginning to think it's some sort of joke.

Nah, he just wanted to believe what the sleazebags at Vector told him. He'll understand soon enough that he should have listened to us instead.
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
miyuru said:
Cutco knives are seriously good knives. You can't sell them in stores really, because who would buy a knife for such a ridiculous price? But with a demonstration, you start to understand why they're so high-priced...

:lol

You can't be serious. You're either joking or you really don't know anything about knives. Here is a $135 knife that is sold in stores. Here's another. And if that wasn't enough, Here's a $200 knife for you. In fact, look at the entire set of Shun knives.

All of those knives are of much higher quality than Cutco's, and are what someone who really wants a good knife should buy. Cutco makes money because most people own cheap knife sets and when someone comes to their house and demonstrates an adequate set of knives, combined with the pity factor of "little Timmy's first job", they buy them on impulse. You will never see a serious chef using cutco's, so don't kid yourself into thinking that cutco knives are of comparable quality or even quality:price ratio of what you find in stores.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
As an aside, professional chefs knifes go easily for 50-100+ PER KNIFE.

Also, most people don't know how to sharpen their knives and keep it sharp... so I'll tell you how;

the steel rod isn't for sharpening the knife. It's to keep the edge straight.

Because of how thin a sharp knife edge is, repeated use has a tendency to BEND the knife edge, rather than actually breaking/dulling, at least with good knife blades that are malleable.

You use the rod to straighten out the knife edge after every 3-5 uses (not each slice but rather each item)... so basically you're supposed to keep it on hand and use it like an obsessive compulsive... depending on how sharp the knife is though (the sharper it is, the more you'll need to sharpen; 3-4 uses for the sharper angles.

To use, you basically run the rod along the angle of the cutting edge a few times, then repeat on the otherside with the same angle. Probably best to run it in one direction only.

Secondly, you'll have a whetstone or a grinding stone. With the use of the rod, you'll only have to use this very rarely; once every 6 or so months with decent knives.

The idea is to keep a consistent angle while dragging it smoothly in one direction and one motion. Drag it for the entire length of the blade, and don't push it back up; lift off and repeat at the same angle. Repeat for the other side.
With that, you're grinding the edge of the blade to a consistent angle, which is what you'll need for a good clean cut.
It might sound obvious, but some people that don't know how to use the knife would be using the sharpening stone as a file.

When you're doing that, depending on the stone, you'll want to either lubricate it with water or mineral oil. I think the water lubricated stones are called wetstones or whetstones. It should be obvious when you're shopping for it; or ask the salesman.

Finally, differing angles of sharpness have their uses; the wider angles (blunter) are useful for hard objects, such as cleaving through bones, while the finer angles can be exceptionally sharp, but also bend very easily.

If you keep your knives sharp and maintained in such a manner, expensive knife, or cheap knife, they should all serve you very well.
 

Dreamfixx

I don't know shit about shit
My brother quit on Monday, he says when he told them they started acting weird and asked him a whole bunch of questions, why are you leaving, did you get another job, you didn't learn anything from the Vector experience?, etc. :lol

Anyways, hes tryin to get a job at Circuit City now, so I guess he learned his lesson about direct sales jobs! :lol
 

border

Member
Yes -- and some idiots actually buy $70 scissors after seeing them cut through a penny. Of course if they took more than 5 seconds to think about how often they needed to cut through metal with a pair of shears they probably wouldn't....but oh well.
 

bionic77

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border said:
Yes -- and some idiots actually buy $70 scissors after seeing them cut through a penny. Of course if they took more than 5 seconds to think about how often they needed to cut through metal with a pair of shears they probably wouldn't....but oh well.

Best scissors ever!

Are they really $70 now? I think they were only like 30 or 40 when I was selling this stuff. Still, you would be surprised how often they come in handy.
 

miyuru

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Himuro said:
I quit the job after one day of training. No point, too much work, I'll just get a job at starbucks or payless shoes.

I mean, I don't even have a car, so it makes the job pointless.

:lol

Just wondering, how old are you Himuro?
 
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