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The versions tested were 1.2.0.0 on the Xbox Series consoles and 1.002.000 on PS5. 120hz footage was captured at 1440p on PS5 and Series X.

Timestamps:
00:00 - 40fps Mode
15:44 - 30fps Mode

PS5 and Xbox Series X in both modes render at a resolution of 2560x1440 and use a form of temporal upsampling to reconstruct a 3840x2160 resolution.

Xbox Series S in both modes renders at a resolution of 1600x900 and use a form of temporal upsampling to reconstruct a 1920x1080 resolution.

PS5 and Xbox Series X have some graphical improvements compared to Xbox Series S in areas such as: draw distance, ambient occlusion, shadow quality and SSR quality.

The 40fps mode is enabled by starting the game while outputting at 120hz on the Xbox consoles. On PS5 the 40fps mode is run by enabling 120hz in the PS5 video settings and then running the game on a compatible 120hz display.

Platforms	PS5	Xbox Series X	Xbox Series S
Frame Amounts
Game Frames	34579	37178	36546
Video Frames	113154	113155	113156
Frame Tearing Statistics
Total Torn Frames	0	0	0
Lowest Torn Line	-	-	-
Frame Height	2160	2160	1080
Frame Time Statistics
Mean Frame Time	27.27ms	25.36ms	25.8ms
Median Frame Time	25ms	25ms	25ms
Maximum Frame Time	116.67ms	75ms	100ms
Minimum Frame Time	25ms	25ms	25ms
95th Percentile Frame Time	33.33ms	25ms	33.33ms
99th Percentile Frame Time	41.67ms	33.33ms	33.33ms
Frame Rate Statistics
Mean Frame Rate	36.67fps	39.43fps	38.76fps
Median Frame Rate	38fps	40fps	40fps
Maximum Frame Rate	40fps	40fps	40fps
Minimum Frame Rate	22fps	28fps	24fps
5th Percentile Frame Rate	29fps	36fps	33fps
1st Percentile Frame Rate	25fps	32fps	29fps
Frame Time Counts
25ms	26175 (75.7%)	35714 (96.06%)	33308 (91.14%)
33.33ms	7596 (21.97%)	1377 (3.7%)	3041 (8.32%)
41.67ms	670 (1.94%)	24 (0.06%)	131 (0.36%)
50ms	101 (0.29%)	60 (0.16%)	59 (0.16%)
58.33ms	21 (0.06%)	1 (0%)	4 (0.01%)
66.67ms	11 (0.03%)	0 (0%)	1 (0%)
75ms	1 (0%)	2 (0.01%)	0 (0%)
83.33ms	2 (0.01%)	0 (0%)	0 (0%)
91.67ms	1 (0%)	0 (0%)	1 (0%)
100ms	0 (0%)	0 (0%)	1 (0%)
116.67ms	1 (0%)	0 (0%)	0 (0%)
Other
Dropped Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frame Thresholds	20 rows	20 rows	20 rows

 

[Die Namek Ability]

seems like XSX wins this one handily. the 40 fps mode looks broken on the PS5. It only hits its target 75 precent of the time?

 

[Mr Moose]

Game needs some patching.

 

[EdGalTBR]

Maybe Asobo should patch the PS5 version to run @1080p.

1440p seems to be too much for this console.

 

[SkyHighTrees]

Maybe Asobo should patch the PS5 version to run @1080p.

1440p seems to be too much for this console.

emmbarassing

 

[Slicker than your average]

Maybe Asobo should patch the PS5 version to run @1080p.

1440p seems to be too much for this console.

Rational thoughts are too much too.

Given the type of game this is and the systems it's on, it's awful optimization.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Still haven't played the first one, but claimed it on PS plus a while back. I'll wait for a solid 60fps patch before playing this anyway.

Waiting pays off again, a pattern is emerging here……

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Maybe Asobo should patch the PS5 version to run @1080p.

1440p seems to be too much for this console.

What? I thought I'd stumbled across another shitty Twitter take.

This is more than likely less than ideal optimisation rather than anything specifically related to hardware. There are better looking games pushing higher frame rates on both consoles.

 

[sinnergy]

My fellow green rats ! We have another victory!! Let's all celebrate by playing a real green game ! Halo Infinite and beyond!

 

[b0uncyfr0]

As much as i like the game - its gotta be a locked 40 if you're gonna aim for it. A sub par 40 fps experience is not gonna fly.

Drop the resolution down to 2240x1260 if you have to. Also if the PS5 can do 40 fps, the SeX can do more. If both are around 40, that kinda hints at weak optimisation

 

[Wandering Leopard]

I'm going to get this on PC but I'll wait (6 to 12 months) for some patches before giving them my money.

 

[TGO]

Game needs some optimization, stuttering and frame-tears.
I know here they reporting none but it does happen often.
And I don't usually notice them when these guys report on them unless they're really bad.
So it's odd that they haven't seen them.
The upscaling method is noticeable with hair because how fine they are displayed here.
Other then that the game is beautiful.

 

[I Master l]

Maybe Asobo should patch the PS5 version to run @1080p.

1440p seems to be too much for this console.

30fps mode seems fine but 40fps mode they should definitely lower the resolution for the PS5

 

[Elios83]

I'm playing it currently, game is not optimized on PS5, there are sudden frame rate drops and stutters. It's obviously still fully playable but I expect them to improve things with further patches.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Frame-time stats show the game is a broken unoptimized mess on PS5. There shouldn't have so much >50ms frame-time spikes on PS5. Those look more I/O or engine related stutters. The devs probably optimized the game solely on Xbox Series which was easy as they already know very well the hardware (well APIs) after developing Microsoft Flight simulator.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Maybe Asobo should patch the PS5 version to run @1080p.

1440p seems to be too much for this console.

You can be better than this, come on now.

 

[lh032]

Asobo is Microsoft spy confirmed.

Perhaps reduce the number of rats help? i thought the PS5 ver has more rats or something

 

[fatmarco]

I just can't get other how irritating the image quality is when the game is in motion. Looks great when you stand still but as soon as you move the amount of reconstruction artifacts are obnoxious imo.

 

[crazyriddler]

Frame-time stats show the game is a broken unoptimized mess on PS5. There shouldn't have so much >50ms frame-time spikes on PS5. Those look more I/O or engine related stutters. The devs probably optimized the game solely on Xbox Series which was easy as they already know very well the hardware (well APIs) after developing Microsoft Flight simulator.

Maybe can be related with the fact sx have a 20% more gpu power... maybe...

 

[adamsapple]

Some folks in the Review topic were saying PS5 version drops to what feels like ~10 fps when the rats appear. The extra GPU grunt helps out the SX here.

I just can't get other how irritating the image quality is when the game is in motion. Looks great when you stand still but as soon as you move the amount of reconstruction artifacts are obnoxious imo.

Turn off the motion blur. The game's IQ is fantastic but the motion blur implementation is poor.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Maybe can be related with the fact sx have a 20% more gpu power... maybe...

Frame-time stats tell us that the PS5 sometimes needs 200% more time to render the same frame. It's obviously not caused by a 15% "weaker" GPU. It's engine related and lacks optimization on PS5 which makes sense as it's their first PS5 game.

 

[adamsapple]

Frame-time stats tell us that the PS5 sometimes needs 200% more time to render the same frame. It's obviously not caused by GPU 15% "weaker". It's engine related and lacks optimization on PS5 which makes sense as it's their first PS5 game.

It's not, the first plague tale game was on both PS4 and got a PS5 patch as well. Same for The Crew 2.

 

[SlimySnake]

This is the first game in a while where xbox has had a clear lead. Un-Optimized or not, the xsx has a 10% lead on average.

The numbers here are similar to tlou2's 40 fps mode albeit at a lower resolution. ND ended up removing the 40 fps mode, no? Tflops matter.

 

[Topher]

Glad I downloaded the game from PC Game Pass. What a mess.

 

[Mr Moose]

There's something wrong with all versions, but mostly the PS5 version. All of them need a few patches.

 

[adamsapple]

Some direct-gameplay (non photo mode) captures from the SX version.

Highly recommend people turn off both the motion blur and chromatic aberration, both those effects degrade the IQ noticeably.

 

[Negotiator101]

30fps mode seems fine but 40fps mode they should definitely lower the resolution for the PS5

I think some are not aware how good the graphics are in this game. The environments are incredibly detailed and large.

 

[Negotiator101]

Some direct-gameplay (non photo mode) captures from the SX version.

Highly recommend people turn off both the motion blur and chromatic aberration, both those effects degrade the IQ noticeably.

Stunning.

 

[Negotiator101]

Frame-time stats tell us that the PS5 sometimes needs 200% more time to render the same frame. It's obviously not caused by a 15% "weaker" GPU. It's engine related and lacks optimization on PS5 which makes sense as it's their first PS5 game.

15% weaker?

 

[Magic Carpet]

I remember the PS5 got 1440 support later on. Is it a system level 'driver' thing at 1440?

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Some direct-gameplay (non photo mode) captures from the SX version.

Highly recommend people turn off both the motion blur and chromatic aberration, both those effects degrade the IQ noticeably.

Next gen flexing it's muscle.

 

[Mr Moose]

15% weaker?

10.28 + 18%
12.14 - 15%

 

[SlimySnake]

Frame-time stats show the game is a broken unoptimized mess on PS5. There shouldn't have so much >50ms frame-time spikes on PS5. Those look more I/O or engine related stutters. The devs probably optimized the game solely on Xbox Series which was easy as they already know very well the hardware (well APIs) after developing Microsoft Flight simulator.

mind explaining this to me? Alex said something similar about Gotham Knights but I thought Frametimes were a RESULT of framerates fluctuating. How do 50+ frametimes indicate that this isnt due to frames dropping below 30 fps? (down to 22 fps in this case)

 

[SportsFan581]

I remember the PS5 got 1440 support later on. Is it a system level 'driver' thing at 1440?

PS5 could always do any internal resolution. The box just couldn't output to 1440p monitors (would output at 1080p and the monitor would upscale) or you could force 4k output if the monitor accepted that signal. Now they support 1440p output.

 

[Bojji]

Some folks in the Review topic were saying PS5 version drops to what feels like ~10 fps when the rats appear. The extra GPU grunt helps out the SX here.



Turn off the motion blur. The game's IQ is fantastic but the motion blur implementation is poor.

Based on PC version rats are taxing CPU the most, maybe they are using smt off mode that overall gives SX some MHz advantage or it's a combination of both CPU and GPU advantages.

Or this game just isn't well optimized, who knows.

 

[Negotiator101]

10.28 + 18%
12.14 - 15%

Surely that's not an accurate way to determine the performance differences. Looking at purely the TF count is flawed to say the least.

 

[Negotiator101]

Based on PC version rats are taxing CPU the most, maybe they are using smt off mode that overall gives SX some MHz advantage or it's a combination of both CPU and GPU advantages.

Or this game just isn't well optimized, who knows.

Interesting, I would of thought rendering upwards to 300,000 rats would hit the GPU and memory bandwidth given the rats have simplistic AI?

 

[SlimySnake]

Real next gen games are trickling out. Breathtakingly gorgeous game. Hopefully they can patch the ps5 version but it does seem like xbox has been flexing quite a bit in 2022.

Series s once again delivers some great solid performance. Rat mode engage! The rats are taking over.

Series S should be performing better tbh. The resolution was downgraded to 900p or 1.44 million pixels compared to PS5's 3.7 million pixels. 2.56x Difference. Thats pretty much in line with their tflops difference which is 2.55x. So why the need to downgrade Draw Distance, Shadows, Ambient Occlusion, and SSR quality? The game probably wouldve been sub 720p had they kept the visual fidelity the same.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Series S should be performing better tbh. The resolution was downgraded to 900p or 1.44 million pixels compared to PS5's 3.7 million pixels. 2.56x Difference. Thats pretty much in line with their tflops difference which is 2.55x. So why the need to downgrade Draw Distance, Shadows, Ambient Occlusion, and SSR quality? The game probably wouldve been sub 720p had they kept the visual fidelity the same.

Yeah need to see some direct comparison screenshot but I expect these cuts with series s. Whatever works best for performance and development.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Going by the video it looks like crazy alpha sections just buckle on the ps5, in the grass early on in the fire section. It's basically 30 fps. Is this where we are seeing a benefit of a wider gpu vs narrow?

 

[STARSBarry]

Tried to play on my Series X, uninstalled and put it on my PC, much smoother experience.

Honestly the game just runs like dog shit on both... I can't believe people can stand it.

 

[M1987]

Tried to play on my Series X, uninstalled and put it on my PC, much smoother experience.

Honestly the game just runs like dog shit on both... I can't believe people can stand it.

It runs horrible on the Series X,it feels below 30fps most of the time,and I had to stop playing after about half an hour

 

[vaibhavpisal]

It runs horrible on the Series X,it feels below 30fps most of the time,and I had to stop playing after about half an hour

PC is the only way then. It has its own caveats though.

 

[M16]

Frame-time stats tell us that the PS5 sometimes needs 200% more time to render the same frame. It's obviously not caused by a 15% "weaker" GPU. It's engine related and lacks optimization on PS5 which makes sense as it's their first PS5 game.

The power gap is not just 15% weaker gpu

 

[M1987]

PC is the only way then. It has its own caveats though.

I'm selling my PS5 and Series X to fund one,so I'll see if it's any better,because it plays awful on the Xbox

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

The power gap is not just 15% weaker gpu

That's the most important gap

 

[JackMcGunns]

Let's do this!

 

[playsaves3]

The versions tested were 1.2.0.0 on the Xbox Series consoles and 1.002.000 on PS5. 120hz footage was captured at 1440p on PS5 and Series X.

Timestamps:
00:00 - 40fps Mode
15:44 - 30fps Mode

PS5 and Xbox Series X in both modes render at a resolution of 2560x1440 and use a form of temporal upsampling to reconstruct a 3840x2160 resolution.

Xbox Series S in both modes renders at a resolution of 1600x900 and use a form of temporal upsampling to reconstruct a 1920x1080 resolution.

PS5 and Xbox Series X have some graphical improvements compared to Xbox Series S in areas such as: draw distance, ambient occlusion, shadow quality and SSR quality.

The 40fps mode is enabled by starting the game while outputting at 120hz on the Xbox consoles. On PS5 the 40fps mode is run by enabling 120hz in the PS5 video settings and then running the game on a compatible 120hz display.

Platforms	PS5	Xbox Series X	Xbox Series S
Frame Amounts
Game Frames	34579	37178	36546
Video Frames	113154	113155	113156
Frame Tearing Statistics
Total Torn Frames	0	0	0
Lowest Torn Line	-	-	-
Frame Height	2160	2160	1080
Frame Time Statistics
Mean Frame Time	27.27ms	25.36ms	25.8ms
Median Frame Time	25ms	25ms	25ms
Maximum Frame Time	116.67ms	75ms	100ms
Minimum Frame Time	25ms	25ms	25ms
95th Percentile Frame Time	33.33ms	25ms	33.33ms
99th Percentile Frame Time	41.67ms	33.33ms	33.33ms
Frame Rate Statistics
Mean Frame Rate	36.67fps	39.43fps	38.76fps
Median Frame Rate	38fps	40fps	40fps
Maximum Frame Rate	40fps	40fps	40fps
Minimum Frame Rate	22fps	28fps	24fps
5th Percentile Frame Rate	29fps	36fps	33fps
1st Percentile Frame Rate	25fps	32fps	29fps
Frame Time Counts
25ms	26175 (75.7%)	35714 (96.06%)	33308 (91.14%)
33.33ms	7596 (21.97%)	1377 (3.7%)	3041 (8.32%)
41.67ms	670 (1.94%)	24 (0.06%)	131 (0.36%)
50ms	101 (0.29%)	60 (0.16%)	59 (0.16%)
58.33ms	21 (0.06%)	1 (0%)	4 (0.01%)
66.67ms	11 (0.03%)	0 (0%)	1 (0%)
75ms	1 (0%)	2 (0.01%)	0 (0%)
83.33ms	2 (0.01%)	0 (0%)	0 (0%)
91.67ms	1 (0%)	0 (0%)	1 (0%)
100ms	0 (0%)	0 (0%)	1 (0%)
116.67ms	1 (0%)	0 (0%)	0 (0%)
Other
Dropped Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frame Thresholds	20 rows	20 rows	20 rows

Did they patch out the unlocked framerate for vrr screens?

 

[thatJohann]

It's a really pretty game. I keep stopping to spin the camera and take it all in, good stuff! Series X @ 40fps btw

 

[Neo_game]

So SS is 900P, that makes more sense that PS5 and SX can only do 1440P.

SX seems to be running some 10% faster in 120hz mode. The game is clearly not optimized, here is 5700 XT at ultra settings and fps is all over the place.