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Virginia bill would end winner-take-all, award EVs by (gerrymandered) districts
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Maryland's gerrymander was done to protect incumbents, not to protect Democrats.
You could actually make a super easy gerrymander for Maryland where Democrats win all 3 ECs.
Also, there are literally like 6 states that are gerrymandered for Democrats.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...re-is-more-to-gerrymandering-than-ugly-shapes
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...e-in-2016-Why-Because-it-probably-did-in-2012
Since Republican are not moving , Democrat needs to gerrymander California, New York to be competitive in the House.
whyamihere
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New York has a Republican senate.
Manmademan
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The PA general assembly tried this plan years ago. The backlash even from republicans was so severe they dropped the idea.
I wouldn't expect anyone to bring it up again.
As for Wolf, he's extremely vulnerable. The budget fight from a year or two back heavily damaged his favorability, and gubernatorial races are held in off years, so you can't count on presidential year turnout to increase his vote count.
His only saving grace are two things:
1.) His expected opponent is a wealthy trash company millionaire currently serving in the house. The guy is a massive asshole with zero charisma, but no other republican is in a position to outspend him.
2.) The PA gubernatorial race is 2018 and if Democrats are still sore about Trump (likely at this point, he's been much worse than expected) democrats and moderates could turn out to hand republicans a loss. Historically the controlling party always takes a hit in midterms.
whyamihere
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I know all of these things, I'm pointing out that Diablos is being absurd.
The founding fathers put the electoral college together to give slave states more voting power by counting slaves as 3/5ths of a person when determining the number of electoral votes they got.
That's how out of date the electoral college is.
A Link to the Past
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If they want to do something like this, the EVs should be based on the population of the districts. Of course, they would never do that, because that would mean that the GOP would never win. Like, virtually never, at least if they continue to act in the way that they do.
KernelPanic
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They know they're going to get bent in the 2018 midterms otherwise. They will be doing anything they can to ensure Blue never wins an election again.
Trump has been saying 8 years for a while now. He knows.
Trump has been saying 8 years for a while now. He knows.
How quaint, this is what Sean Spicer just said today in relation to "voter fraud" (their manufactured excuse for upcoming voter suppression):
Lmao people are this spouting this even as the GOP tries everything in their power to disenfranchise democrat-voting citizens in this country.
Subservient until the very end, how sad.
Hasphat'sAnts
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They knew exactly how dumb people are and that's why they created the EC. The EC is allowed to vote for somebody who didn't win the election.
They just chose not to
Squirrel Killer
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So Maine and Nebraska are rigging the EC?
whyamihere
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Yes. It's a bad idea.
Nebraska has gerrymandered districts and Maine's is non-partisan. It's dumb. We shouldn't do it unless everyone has non-partisan districts. And hidden in your title, it was a bad idea when Dems in Colorado proposed it.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem is that when you actually rig the system, you're going to end up with an actual succession at some point.
MisterShine
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This would give them 45% of the electoral votes, Trump got 44% in Virginia. I'm more or less fine with this.
Fuck gerrymandering though.
Fuck gerrymandering though.
helloresolven
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No, you split votes based on the results of the state's election.
Win 60% of vote in a state, get 60% of electoral votes. Avoids gerrymandered districts.
Arrogant Bastard
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Nope, they learned and they will make sure something like Obama never happens again. This isn't hyperbole, we are getting set up to be a one party country by disenfranchising half of the voters.
GG folks, it was fun.
I don't think it should be up to the states, we should all go by the same rules. If you want to split, we should do it everywhere.
Arrogant Bastard
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I wonder if Cole recognizes that the only reason North Virgina makes it possible for democrats to win Virginia now in presidential elections is that the republicans don't really try to appeal to the people in North Virginia.
What happens in state's like PA, NE and NY? In PA's case the republicans will win well over 50% of the EV's allocated to that state if they used a system like this nationally. NY probably way more then they would get if they lose the state by 20%+ in a proportional system based on the percentage of the vote. In NE the republicans would get all of the EV's besides maybe the one connected to NE 1 if they are unlucky in this type of system.
What happens in state's like PA, NE and NY? In PA's case the republicans will win well over 50% of the EV's allocated to that state if they used a system like this nationally. NY probably way more then they would get if they lose the state by 20%+ in a proportional system based on the percentage of the vote. In NE the republicans would get all of the EV's besides maybe the one connected to NE 1 if they are unlucky in this type of system.
Muppet of a Man
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Or they were a bunch of slave owning shitheads. I'll let you decide!
Electoral college was explicitly devised to give inordinate amount of power to rural southern states where a large percentage of the population were slaves who couldn't vote, being considered property. The whites there wanted to ensure their dominance in government. They knew they'd be irrelevant otherwise. Same holds true for these racist white rural states today.
streetsahead123
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The GOP has reached the-NTSB-in-Sully levels of cartoonish villainy
Squirrel Killer
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For the record, I too think it's a bad idea, but for entirely different reasons. It nearly entirely eliminates a state that adopts that apportionment method from the presidential candidates' attention.
JoshuaJSlone
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Yeah, this is a system that tries to make itself look more fair but is just a different form of crooked. Going by Wikipedia's numbers, in 2016 Rs got 49.1% of the House vote to 48.0% Ds. The seat split, though, is 55.4% R to 44.6% D.
This video was really interesting about how the Repubs are so powerful while in the minority.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQAU5_XU8ZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQAU5_XU8ZQ
Unknown One
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Maybe a French Revolution at this rate. I'm pissed off and the GOP needs to be kicked out of the fucking government. Everybody in the GOP should be banned from it.
CitizenVectron
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Conservatives have the guns, though.
Squirrel Killer
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I understand where it's coming from and the point it tries to make, but that sort of analysis regarding geographically defined districts is a really shallow view on the situation. It misses at least the cases when there's an uneven political distribution of supporters and when the competitiveness of a district leads to an uncontested seat.
Netherscourge
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Doesn't this just show how obsolete the Electoral College is?
If we keep micro-sizing individual votes into smaller groupings and divisions, why aren't we just going by a 1 for 1 vote ratio?
It's getting to that point with all this provisioning.
If we keep micro-sizing individual votes into smaller groupings and divisions, why aren't we just going by a 1 for 1 vote ratio?
It's getting to that point with all this provisioning.
More_Badass
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Man, this country really is fucked. So much for democracy
UberTag
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Was there an embargo put on the sale of new firearms that I missed hearing about?
No reason disenfranchised Democrats can't stock up now.
Conservatives may have all the guns but they can still only aim and fire one gun at a time.
Democrats outnumber them - so, logically, if every Democrat went out and bought a gun and stocked up on ammo - well, then that ceases to be an issue now, doesn't it?
Pretty much. This is just creative obstructionism to skirt a fair and just electoral process.
All of this is happening so fast no one knows what to pay attention to any more.I know this sounds abrasive, but what can people do outside of just calling. Honestly, is there any way to make this unconstitutional because it's intent is for corruption any nothing more.
Welcome to shock and awe.
By the way any constitutional challenges are likely dead now since Republicans were very effective in handcuffing Obama from appointing anyone to Scalia's seat.
I mean this video is helpful as an explanatory tool but considering the general message seems to be "let's all lie down and kill ourselves because we are doomed" I don't know how helpful it is overall.
The electoral vote was 43.1% to Clinton. If the vote were determined by Congressional Districts, she would have received 47.1%.
I wish that we as a nation could have a spirited debate on how the president should be electedby will of the states or by direct will of the people. The key factor that most proponents of the Electoral College fail to recognize, is that the EC does not guarantee majority state preference.
I wish that we as a nation could have a spirited debate on how the president should be electedby will of the states or by direct will of the people. The key factor that most proponents of the Electoral College fail to recognize, is that the EC does not guarantee majority state preference.
it was a compromise to keep slave states happy because they were concerned about being overridden by the more populous northern states.
we sold our souls as the nation was being founded.
excelsiorlef
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But the only states who will do this is Blue states with Republican state governments.
Wasn't it because the founding fathers didn't envisage the US having a 2 party system?
I think this is my sentiment.
Overall though idk how I feel about this. I'm kinda in between. I would much prefer 1 person equal 1 vote and winners with the most votes wins. None of this states BS.
Manmademan
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you're missing the point in that conservatives try to shove in "vote by congressional district" where it favors them, and block or undo it where it doesn't to give them an advantage no matter how the popular vote turns out.
Either way would be perfectly fine if it was consistent across states, but republicans have absolutely no intention of allowing that.
timetokill
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I mean, we have the numbers. Is there any way we can get us to spread out to take over some of these districts?
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Yeah.... looks like US is never having a democratic leadership again.
Monocle
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So basically let's throw the baby out with the bathwater.
You gonna get people to move where they live?
This, like most of this bullshit they're trying to pull, is way too complex for most people to care about and digest easily.
TheWasTheJoke
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Imagine if Dems could do this in Texas it would completely fuck the GOPover
ShironRedshift
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Of course, that's the exact reason it will never pop up in states like that and this type of shit only ever pops up in states where it can fuck over Democrats. Fuck the GOP.
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