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[shoplifter]

Not everybody is going to be a master at the game and demand that level of perfection. You make it sound like Sega is in the business of creating art instead of the actual business of business.

Like I said, maybe AM2 actually cares about the quality of the game in both offline AND online modes. I'm sorry that people can't respect that they don't want to put their names on a product they're not proud of.

It's simple: if it could have been done to their specs it would have. It wasn't possible, and they elected to avoid doing what they view as 'diluting' the game.

 

[lexy]

Trust me on this, figint one person, even if he's better than you, will not improve your game by much. Oh its better than the AI, for sure. Just that there are a hundred 'tricks', 'mind games', etc that you've never run into that would open up your look on the game, things you can incorperate into your own style.

I don't disagree with what you are saying but I don't play VF with anyone else (and I rarely ever step into an arcade these days) so it's not an issue to me.

 

[Fishie flop oog]

why would people support them when they don't give the people what they want?

Spoiler

Shenmue III

People didnt support them when they DID give them Shen Mue.
Sega had its best output ever the first few years of the DC, games like Shen Mue, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, Skies of Arcadia etcetera.
Self fulfilling prophecies killed them.
Sega did everything they could but people disregarded them outright, didnt buy the good games nor their hardware and kept saying Sega sucked and PS2 would kill it.
Sega gave all they could for the longest time, why now should they support those who didnt support them?
Arcade goers in Japan have always supported them and arcades have kept Sega afloat during the hardest times and bring in the most profit for Sega.
See where this is going?

 

[Vennt]

People better clam down before I go all Kage on your asses, stay civil please, I'd hate to lock a thread with good points because of a small amount of crap.

 

[snatches]

ITS AN INFERIOR PRODUCT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH IT. HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND?

The customer is not getting an inferior product if they are getting the complete offline gaming with an online game as well.

 

[Matlock]

Online would just rape the Virtua Fighter gameplay. That's a fact, indisputable.

Again, read. LakeEarth, Faceless, EviLore have made valid points against that claim.

 

[solarplexus]

Ah yes, the interview Heidi and I conducted.

Are you again at Sega this month?

 

[gigamex]

Like I said, maybe AM2 actually cares about the quality of the game in both offline AND online modes. I'm sorry that people can't respect that they don't want to put their names on a product they're not proud of.

It's simple: if it could have been done to their specs it would have. It wasn't possible, and they elected to avoid doing what they view as 'diluting' the game.

I disagree but perhaps if Sega as an entire corporation practiced this level of discipline then maybe I could argue they were at least being consistent. Somewhat like Nintendo who does a lot of weird things also for a "higher" purpose like they like to pretend. If they are content to make these decisions then more power to them but then consumers have every right to bitch and moan at them which is why threads like this exist.

 

[Fishie flop oog]

Are you again at Sega this month?

Sadly no, most likely not before June or July.
Why?

 

[solarplexus]

Sadly no, most likely not before June or July.
Why?

I heard some magazines will be there for some interesting things.

I don't know when the magazines will be available (maybe in early april). But Sega invited some magazines worldwide in order to show some "things".

 

[neondriver]

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

It's just that you guys don't accept that, and argue how stupid we are for wanting an online mode.
That is just silly....

 

[Flo_Evans]

/sigh

I think SEGA is right, it would fuck up the game, but I guess I am not harcore enough to fly to japan and play the game the way it was ment to be played. I haven't even seen a VF cabinet since VF2. My few local friends that play fighting games all want to play Street Fighter or SC.

I am not gonna be a douche and say NO ONLINE = NO BUY! FU SEGA. But yeah. I Imagine it will get as much play as VF4 did. Meaning I would have to trick people into playing it and after 2 matches they would quit. Lonely nights in practice mode perfecting moves that only the AI will ever see (who isn't impressed btw). :lol

 

[SolidSnakex]

Aren't companies often criticised for putting in modes that don't work properly? Sega's telling you beforehand that VF Online isn't going to work online. Let them add another feature into it instead of wasting their time with something they know isn't going to work.

 

[meltpotato]

It's just that you guys don't accept that, and argue how stupid we are for wanting an online mode.
That is just silly....

its certainly not stupid to want online mode. i would certainly love online mode.

however, VF series, and the people who make the game, are as well known and respected for the exact reason they will not include th online mode. They are uncompromising in the final product. The VF series is a true "labor of love" and to put their name on soemthign that they have created but does not meet their personal expectations and what they want to provide for the hardcore community would be going against what VF has evolved into through the years. VF is one of the few games that you can tell is aimed at creating the most serious and engaging expirence they can offer rather than doing whats easy and creating a more friendly product. VF has taken a lot of risks in doing so and relies on the same community that relies on them to put out the best product that they can put out. If they feel that they are unable to get online play to the level it needs to be then that is that. To say you would like online mode and to complain that an online mode should be included even if it was limiting in the ulitmate vision of the team are two entirely different things.

 

[monoRAIL]

Interesting decision from Sega, very gutsy - I'm disappointed by it though.

Some of my best gaming memories are playing VF2 in the arcade with my friends, and then playing VF4 on the PS2 with the same crowd. But since then I've moved on - I don't live near my gaming friends any more and the arcade scene here is dead, so I get all my multiplayer satisfaction from Xbox Live, and I have to say DOA Ultimate on Xbox live was pretty much perfect. So long as I played with local players on my friends list it was the perfect gameplay experience - no lag, quick counters. I could even counter consecutive fireballs in Street Fighter 3 so lag is basically not an issue.

Despite VF being one of my all-time favourite games, I won't be buying this.

The king (VF) is dead! Long live the king (DOA)!

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

I am also a card carrying member.

I do not understand how any company can spend millions of dollars on a multiplayer focused sku these days and not include online. It boggles the fucking mind. I am married with 2 kids. I don't have friends come over to "play nintendo" anymore K? Defend it all you want and give me ten reasons why it won't work, but I still won't buy it.

Which is a damn shame because the series is excellent.

IAWTP

 

[Fishie flop oog]

I heard some magazines will be there for some interesting things.

I don't know when the magazines will be available (maybe in early april). But Sega invited some magazines worldwide in order to show some "things".

Ah those, we have been filled in to some of those already.
The ones going soon are specific media on assignment.
We are freelance and we go on our own accord pending approval from Sega and media interested in purchasing from us.

 

[The Faceless Master]

People didnt support them when they DID give them Shen Mue.
Sega had its best output ever the first few years of the DC, games like Shen Mue, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, Skies of Arcadia etcetera.
Self fulfilling prophecies killed them.
Sega did everything they could but people disregarded them outright, didnt buy the good games nor their hardware and kept saying Sega sucked and PS2 would kill it.
Sega gave all they could for the longest time, why now should they support those who didnt support them?
Arcade goers in Japan have always supported them and arcades have kept Sega afloat during the hardest times and bring in the most profit for Sega.
See where this is going?

actually, meant VF Online, but i put that there as a joke...

 

[kaching]

So, a number of people who say that they won't buy a home version of the next VF for the single-player gameplay alone because that doesn't provide a true arcade VF experience *would* however buy a home version of the game with an online mode, even though the devs have said, based on actual testing, that online wouldn't provide the true arcade experience either...how does that work exactly?

 

[SolidSnakex]

So, a number of people who say that they won't buy a home version of the next VF for the single-player gameplay alone because that doesn't provide a true arcade VF experience *would* however buy a home version of the game with an online mode, even though the devs have said, based on actual testing, that online wouldn't provide the true arcade experience either...how does that work exactly?

That just it, they don't care if it works or not, they just want it online. If its not going to play like VF, as the devs are saying, they might as well just go and buy DoA4. Tecmo needs the sales since even with the online play it doesn't look like its going to sell as much as the offline DoA3.

 

[gigamex]

So, a number of people who say that they won't buy a home version of the next VF for the single-player gameplay alone because that doesn't provide a true arcade VF experience *would* however buy a home version of the game with an online mode, even though the devs have said, based on actual testing, that online wouldn't provide the true arcade experience either...how does that work exactly?

Big Sigh.

Because they WANT SOMEBODY TO ACTUALLY PLAY AGAINST. NOT AN AI ROUTINE. Nobody is talking about a "true" experience in some metaphysical sense!

To go even further I'll take a big step and speak only for myself and say I don't believe the devs. I don't believe they've tried their very best and I don't believe the experience isn't fun. Maybe not fun on a scale of 100% arcade replication. But fun none the less.

 

[solarplexus]

Ah those, we have been filled in to some of those already.
The ones going soon are specific media on assignment.
We are freelance and we go on our own accord pending approval from Sega and media interested in purchasing from us.

Oh, I see.

I'm wondering about the kind of magazines who are invited because some of them aren't very big or important. Usually they're the last ones who has these kind of coverage.

Maybe there is a public Sega event before those less important magazines arrive (something like Gamers Day, strategy meeting, etc). In the past japanese press had the coverage earlier so maybe we'll see something in the next weeks and than some people will be very happy.

 

[kaching]

Because they WANT SOMEBODY TO ACTUALLY PLAY AGAINST. NOT AN AI ROUTINE.

So pick from any of dozens of games which will assuredly be online for all next-gen consoles by the time VF5 rolls around. Why VF5 if your main concern is someone to play against who isn't an AI for which you're also willing to sacrifice real VF play to get?

 

[snatches]

Big Sigh.

Because they WANT SOMEBODY TO ACTUALLY PLAY AGAINST. NOT AN AI ROUTINE. Nobody is talking about a "true" experience in some metaphysical sense!

To go even further I'll take a big step and speak only for myself and say I don't believe the devs. I don't believe they've tried their very best and I don't believe the experience isn't fun. Maybe not fun on a scale of 100% arcade replication. But fun none the less.

Don't bother. The logic in this thread is ridiculous. If you used the opposing argument in another situation it would look like this:

Car Salesman

"Sir, congratulations on purchasing your new 2006 Corvette from Phoenix GM!, the car doesn't come with air conditioning for $60K, or for $60K we'll throw in air conditioning that works ok 60% of the time! whaddayasay? That arizona sun is a REAL BITCH!"

Angry purist GAFFER

"My 67 stingray didn't have AC, so fuck it, I'll just BURN!"

 

[Fishie flop oog]

Oh, I see.

I'm wondering about the kind of magazines who are invited because some of them aren't very big or important. Usually they're the last ones who has these kind of coverage.

Maybe there is a public Sega event before those less important magazines arrive (something like Gamers Day, strategy meeting, etc). In the past japanese press had the coverage earlier so maybe we'll see something in the next weeks and than some people will be very happy.

Nah usually its those who commit to a cover(I should keep my mouth shut here really but screw that).

 

[The Faceless Master]

Don't bother. The logic in this thread is ridiculous. If you used the opposing argument in another situation it would look like this:

Car Salesman

"Sir, congratulations on purchasing your new 2006 Corvette from Phoenix GM!, the car doesn't come with air conditioning for $60K, or for $60K we'll throw in air conditioning that works ok 60% of the time! whaddayasay? That arizona sun is a REAL BITCH!"

Angry purist GAFFER

"My 67 stingray didn't have AC, so fuck it, I'll just BURN!"

but they dont NEED AC in JAPAN because japanese drivers are COOL

 

[snatches]

but they dont NEED AC in JAPAN because japanese drivers are COOL

:lol

 

[gigamex]

So pick from any of dozens of games which will assuredly be online for all next-gen consoles by the time VF5 rolls around. Why VF5 if your main concern is someone to play against who isn't an AI for which you're also willing to sacrifice real VF play to get?

Your a republican aren't you?


(Just teasing)

 

[Fishie flop oog]

Don't bother. The logic in this thread is ridiculous. If you used the opposing argument in another situation it would look like this:

Car Salesman

"Sir, congratulations on purchasing your new 2006 Corvette from Phoenix GM!, the car doesn't come with air conditioning for $60K, or for $60K we'll throw in air conditioning that works ok 60% of the time! whaddayasay? That arizona sun is a REAL BITCH!"

Angry purist GAFFER

"My 67 stingray didn't have AC, so fuck it, I'll just BURN!"

ROFL.

You're jokin', you're jokin'
I can't believe my ears
Would someone shut this fella up
I'm drownin' in my tears
It's funny, I'm laughing
You really are too much

 

[gigamex]

ROFL.

You're jokin', you're jokin'
I can't believe my ears
Would someone shut this fella up
I'm drownin' in my tears
It's funny, I'm laughing
You really are too much

 

[solarplexus]

Nah usually its those who commit to a cover(I should keep my mouth shut here really but screw that).

Yes, a cover makes sense.

The magazines I heard about don't have an exclusive. So there must be something else before these mags hit newsstands.

 

[snatches]

OK for real, I'm done here. Sorry to ruffle the feathers of the VF purist elite. I would love to have an awesome offline game and a fun but flawed online game in the same package, but, its clear that Sega isn't making this game for me....time to move on to another thread.

Thanks for playing!

 

[callous]

VF5 gameplay is impossible to maintain online, 1/60th of a second people, 1/60th of a second.

I was about to post something similar. VF is just not a good fit for online play. It's got nothing to do with netcode but the fact that lag can't be eliminated enough for VF to keep its timing. I don't understand why people can't see this from the creator's point of view. To me it makes perfect sense to make a different game for online.

Stop looking at my avatar.

 

[TheDuce22]

I was about to post something similar. VF is just not a good fit for online play. It's got nothing to do with netcode but the fact that lag can't be eliminated enough for VF to keep its timing. I don't understand why people can't see this from the creator's point of view. To me it makes perfect sense to make a different game for online.

Stop looking at my avatar.

It is possible to adjust your timing for online play is it not?

 

[Fishie flop oog]

It is possible to adjust your timing for online play is it not?

Yes but like he says, it then becomes a completely different game.
Doesnt rule out an online fighter either, but if it comes it wont be Virtua Fighter.

 

[karasu]

This news doesn't affect me at all. It would be ridiculous for them to spend time on something they didn't believe in. So you won't play VF5 just because it doesn't have an online component, have fun sulking.

 

[callous]

It is possible to adjust your timing for online play is it not?

Yes, but you can't expect whatever lag there is to always remain constant. I assume that's the real issue. The point, to me, isn't so much about what I can adjust to, though, as it's about how I can understand why the creator wants to keep the VF series about perfect timing. I also understand people that are saying "just let us decide if we think online sucks", but I respect the creator's wish for not wanting to do so.

 

[kaching]

Your a republican aren't you?

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean but, taking a shot in the dark, does that make you Democratic for dodging the question?

 

[Drinky Crow]

When you face the AI, you aren't learning how to play the game, you're learning how to poke holes in the AI routines. FUN!

When you play VF online, you aren't learning how to play the game, you're learning how to compensate for latency. FUN!

 

[gigamex]

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean but, taking a shot in the dark, does that make you Democratic for dodging the question?

Check for sense of humour or whimsy.

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Yep. Missing.

 

[gigamex]

So you won't play VF5 just because it doesn't have an online component, have fun sulking.

 

[Xellotah]

I'll buy it.

 

[kaching]

be sure not to rely so heavily on emoticons and clear "just teasing" labels when you do that check...now, how about answering that question?

 

[gigamex]

be sure not to rely so heavily on emoticons and clear "just teasing" labels when you do that check...now, how about answering that question?

Yes. Yes I am. Deomcrats support alternative lifestyles so online/offline only makes logical sense.

 

[krypt0nian]

This news doesn't affect me at all. It would be ridiculous for them to spend time on something they didn't believe in. So you won't play VF5 just because it doesn't have an online component, have fun sulking.

No one is sulking. There are plenty of games with far more offline play for me out there that also include an online option. You just have to get it through your head that there are people for whom offline fighter gaming no longer offers any longterm enjoyment.

There is no one locally to play with.

 

[Brandon F]

Shameful. At least playing dress-up in Quest mode will keep the dream alive!

 

[jett]

When you play VF online, you aren't learning how to play the game, you're learning how to compensate for latency. FUN!

Ownage.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

6 pages so far.

So let me get this straight. Somehow, adding online to the game will somehow ruin it.

So all of a sudden the offline component is gone? Or is unplayable? Whats the story?

I just don't get it. It could be just like DOA4 is. An online component and an offline component. Both aren't exactly the same obviously.

So this would somehow "ruin" the game eh?

Wow.

 

[Deg]

Yeah i doubt VF will be able to keep 1/60th of a second accuracy. Thats asking for too much. But you never know it could be a possiblity in the future where could play with some inherent lag?.

 

[blackadde]

lag is a very difficult thing to deal with in any fighter, especially something as fast as vf. some pokes become abusable, certain throws/setups are suddenly inescapable, tiers are developed and the more technically-oriented characters become totally worthless because the risk/reward factor is skewed considerably. that said, it would be nice to see am2 throw in an online mode just as an 'extra', even if it plays like an entirely different game.