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Hello all,

As per the title I am visiting London for the first time, flight leaves this Sunday and I will be there for about 10 days. Just wanted some advice and general recommendations on what to check out, although I also have a few questions I would love answers to:

- Is it worth visiting Paris via Eurostar? Keep in mind it will only be a day trio at most, but I've never visited Paris either.
- Is there any sort of "pastoral" settings around London? I've always had a thing for this time of environment.
- I want to visit one of the Oxbridge universities, is it worth visiting both or should I only bother with one?
- I always hear Londoners complaining about rain, is that a problem this time of year?

That's it for now, Thanks in advance!
 
Hello all,

As per the title I am visiting London for the first time, flight leaves this Sunday and I will be there for about 10 days. Just wanted some advice and general recommendations on what to check out, although I also have a few questions I would love answers to:

- Is it worth visiting Paris via Eurostar? Keep in mind it will only be a day trio at most, but I've never visited Paris either.

- Is there any sort of "pastoral" settings around London? I've always had a thing for this time of environment.
- I want to visit one of the Oxbridge universities, is it worth visiting both or should I only bother with one?
- I always hear Londoners complaining about rain, is that a problem this time of year?

That's it for now, Thanks in advance!

As a New Yorker who has visited both quite a few times. So unsolicited advice.

-Paris is soooo much better.
-Stonehenge, Bath. Drive around round-about(s) yelling "wrong side of the road!" (to reminded yourself).
 
As a New Yorker who has visited both quite a few times. So unsolicited advice.

-Paris is soooo much better

Having recently just visited both for the first time I have to agree 100%. 10 days in London I would spend like 5 of those days in Paris!
 
- Is it worth visiting Paris via Eurostar? Keep in mind it will only be a day trio at most, but I've never visited Paris either.

Not really worth it just for a day unless there is a specific event you're going to.

- Is there any sort of "pastoral" settings around London? I've always had a thing for this time of environment.

Hmm. There are plenty of farms in surrounding counties Surrey, Essex and Kent and you should be able to find nice countryside by taking the train for 45 minutes in any direction. But for the real pastoral majesty you'll need to head to far North England or Scotland. especially if you like sheep.

- I always hear Londoners complaining about rain, is that a problem this time of year?

This time of year you can get all seasons in one day. Be prepared for hot, cold, wet, dry, sunny and cloudy weather even if you're just staying a weekend. So yes, get a small umbrella and put it in your rucksack.
 
Hmm. There are plenty of farms in surrounding counties Surrey, Essex and Kent and you should be able to find nice countryside by taking the train for 45 minutes in any direction. But for the real pastoral majesty you'll need to head to far North England or Scotland. especially if you like sheep.

It really depends on how much he likes sheep.
 
Last Wednesday I'm pretty sure we experienced all 4 seasons in one day.

Oxford is nice for a weekend I guess. People are a lot less gloomy than Londoners. You can get a bus tour in the city centre. You are also able to book a room in one of the university halls with bed and breakfast if you want (there is a website for this). Not that great tbh (shared bathrooms, etc). Don't know about Cambridge.

Don't listen to these losers about visiting Paris. I went there and hated it. The only decent things are the eiffel tower and Disneyland. London is where it's at.

Also, you may not need an oyster if you have contactless but dont quote me on this.
 
Depends on what you want to do really. Classic tourist things include:

- London Eye - big Ferris wheel
- Musicals - go see a show like Les Mis
- Houses of Parliament
- Buckingham Palace - watch the changing of the Guard and try to get one of the guards to move, as they are supposed to stay motionless although I'm not sure if that's true or not
- Museums - there are bucketloads and pretty much all the major ones are free. Tate - classic art, Tate Modern - modern art, Natural History Museum - dinosaurs etc (you may have to book dinosaur section), British Museum

Areas to visit:

Hyde Park - park in middle
Greenwich - see where GMT was made up and good museum as well
South Bank of River Thames at Embankment (that's the underground) - nice walk along south bank and can see the Globe Theatre and a lot of other stuff
Oxford Street - big shopping area that you will either like or go 'nope, this is stupid' after one second. I hate it, but my wife likes it.
Soho - meant to be the quirky area but has lost a lot of character.

Cambridge/Oxford - I would go, just to do it but only do one. They are both fairly similar and I do fully expect someone from both to point out that's nonsense, but for a tourist they are similar.

Paris - up to you, there is more than enough to do in London but if it's your only chance, go so you can do the classic tourist things there.

Points:
Get an Oyster card - saved hassle on the underground.
Underground - it's amazing at times, but is also a mess. Just remember the first trains on the underground were steam trains and you'll realise why it isn't good enough for a city of London's size now.
Monday - this is a bank holiday weekend in England so all banks are shut - you can still use cash points - and some places might be full of tourists.

Hope that helps - I lived in London about 7 years ago, now up in North of England, so this is fairly touristy. Actual Londoners will give more tips soon!

Weather - pack something for cold, shitty weather. We've had hail this week where I live, snow in Scotland, bright sun elsewhere. London probably won't be so extreme but this week should make you realise why Brits can talk about the weather - you could get anything. Both
 
Paris is a city that requires an overnight stay, its beautiful at night and has great nightlife.

Most of the tourist tips will be posted here eventually, my only tip is to the Citymapper app installed on your smartphone, it's great for getting from point A to B, will tell you what trains or bus to take, how much an Uber is and how to get there on foot.

Also don't hail a black cab unless you're prepared to remortgage.
 
Depends on what you want to do really. Classic tourist things include:

- London Eye - big Ferris wheel
- Musicals - go see a show like Les Mis
- Houses of Parliament
- Buckingham Palace - watch the changing of the Guard and try to get one of the guards to move, as they are supposed to stay motionless although I'm not sure if that's true or not
- Museums - there are bucketloads and pretty much all the major ones are free. Tate - classic art, Tate Modern - modern art, Natural History Museum - dinosaurs etc (you may have to book dinosaur section), British Museum

Areas to visit:

Hyde Park - park in middle
Greenwich - see where GMT was made up and good museum as well
South Bank of River Thames at Embankment (that's the underground) - nice walk along south bank and can see the Globe Theatre and a lot of other stuff
Oxford Street - big shopping area that you will either like or go 'nope, this is stupid' after one second. I hate it, but my wife likes it.
Soho - meant to be the quirky area but has lost a lot of character.

Cambridge/Oxford - I would go, just to do it but only do one. They are both fairly similar and I do fully expect someone from both to point out that's nonsense, but for a tourist they are similar.

Paris - up to you, there is more than enough to do in London but if it's your only chance, go so you can do the classic tourist things there.

Points:
Get an Oyster card - saved hassle on the underground.
Underground - it's amazing at times, but is also a mess. Just remember the first trains on the underground were steam trains and you'll realise why it isn't good enough for a city of London's size now.
Monday - this is a bank holiday weekend in England so all banks are shut - you can still use cash points - and some places might be full of tourists.

Hope that helps - I lived in London about 7 years ago, now up in North of England, so this is fairly touristy. Actual Londoners will give more tips soon!

Weather - pack something for cold, shitty weather. We've had hail this week where I live, snow in Scotland, bright sun elsewhere. London probably won't be so extreme but this week should make you realise why Brits can talk about the weather - you could get anything. Both

These are some great points.

If you do decide to visit Greenwich (my hometown), may I recommend getting a train (or DLR) there and grabbing a boat back? Both the Thames Clipper (fast commuting boat) or a sightseeing boat complete with audio tour are great ways to head back into central London, and you can see a lot of landmarks, including going under London's famous Tower Bridge, from them.
 
- Is there any sort of "pastoral" settings around London? I've always had a thing for this time of environment.
Go to Hampstead Heath. It's a huge park that is sort of a natural countryside.. it's beautiful fields and forests. You can walk around the entire thing, have tea/lunch at Kenwood house, and then visit Hampstead for a charming high street for a pint at the Holly Bush, or the Horseshoe pub.

My favourite park/area in London. PM me if you need details of how to get there.
 
Go to Hampstead Heath. It's a huge park that is sort of a natural countryside.. it's beautiful fields and forests. You can walk around the entire thing, have tea/lunch at Kenwood house, and then visit Hampstead for a charming high street for a pint at the Holly Bush, or the Horseshoe pub.

My favourite park/area in London. PM me if you need details of how to get there.

To add to this, head to Richmond Park too if you can and heck out the Isabella Plantation.
 
Oxford is nice, worth going to for a day. Just buy train tickets in advance otherwise can get pricey. Look at Windsor too.

If you want to see deers in the city then head to Richmond Park. I don't know how many tourists go there, but it's an amazing place to walk around. It's a bit away from the tourist central London, 25mins from Waterloo station. https://www.royalparks.org.uk/parks/richmond-park Anyway, google will cover all the normal central London spots. Richmond park is what I recommend to people wanting to visit a Royal Park in London. The place is massive, it's nice to get lost in it for many hours.

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Reddit's London page has a ton of info for visitors https://www.reddit.com/r/london/wiki/index


TV shows make it seem we complain about rain. The coming week looks like your average spring day, 15-17C, cloud, sun, rain, the lot. so just be ready for it all.
 
Have a Sunday Roast at least once.

The Eurostar is an amazing trip, but pricey for a day trip. Do it during the day so you can see how fast you are going. It's moderately more expensive than flying, but if you are traveling city center to city center it's a lot faster because the airports in both London and Paris are fairly far out.
 
Book the sky garden if you want a nice view of the city it is free.

Greenwich is worth looking at you have the old naval college (you may recognise it from such movies as Thor the dark world, GAF may of heard of it)
Cutty Sark
Greenwich market
Maritime museum (free)
Royal observatory
Meridian line

O2 london

London Bridge pier walk around and see tower bridge walk over Tower of London do a loop over London Bridge walk to borough market grab some street food. See
Southwark catherdral
see the shard then
continue up along the river side towards Tate modern Shakespeare's globe from there you can walk over the millennium bridge to look at st Paul's

Waterloo
London eye , london aquarium imperial war museum.
Old vic

Charing Cross leads you into west end
Trafalgar Square
St martins in the field
Leicester Square
Covent Garden
Soho
Chinatown for great food and eats
Oxford street and regent street( see the BBC building if you want)
Carnaby street
Regent's Park

Tottenham Court Road for near the British Museum

Victoria leads you Hyde park, Harrods, Kensington and Chelsea or the other way leads you to park lane and marvel arch

Brick lane for curries
Camden for the market and the vibe of Camden and the little Venice riverboat tour which can also take you to london Zoo.

Nottinghill for the lovely houses

Canary Wharf of you wanna see londons mini manhattan and ride the DLR (sit up front pretend you are driving)

Don't take the tour buses instead if you have a Travel card and you should
http://londonist.com/2016/02/london-s-10-best-bus-routes

Also shopping you can try any Westfield in either Stratford or white city

A lot of museums are free

South Kensington has a few museums

If you want to go via Eurostar to Paris either kings cross st Pancras also some good sites around there.

Food
https://www.timeout.com/london/food-drink/londons-best-cheap-eats

Lots of options for day trips or short breaks out of london including
Brighton
Canterbury
Broadstairs/margate/ramsgate
Oxford
Cambridge
Coventry/Birmingham
Stratford upon Avon
Bath
Windsor

All a few hours away by train
 
- Is it worth visiting Paris via Eurostar? Keep in mind it will only be a day trio at most, but I've never visited Paris either.
Possible, but wouldn't really recommend it just for a day. You will also lose 2 hours in transit, 1 hour at the station. The same going back.
- Is there any sort of "pastoral" settings around London? I've always had a thing for this time of environment.
Around London depends on how much you want to stretch London. Richmond park is the closest thing actually within the London area but it's not exactly what I would consider classic English countryside. Since you are planning on going to Oxford, make an extra stop somwhere in the Cotswolds (just look at the map). Find a nice B&B somewhere there and just chill.
- I want to visit one of the Oxbridge universities, is it worth visiting both or should I only bother with one?
They are very similar. Go Oxford for reason above.
- I always hear Londoners complaining about rain, is that a problem this time of year?
It rains all year around. But it will be 1) less, 2) lighter rain. It'll be nice in that it cleans the streets a bit. You'll be dry for the most part
 
It rains all year around. But it will be 1) less, 2) lighter rain. It'll be nice in that it cleans the streets a bit. You'll be dry for the most part

Since I've lived here, I've found London to have less rain, especially in summer, than other places. It's certainly not like it is raining, or even drizzling, every day.
 
Some lovely walking trails along the river in and around Henley, though you'd have to go a bit out of your way to spend time in Oxfordshire/Berkshire (assuming there's no time to waste around a trip to Oxford proper.) Can't go wrong with a trip to Windsor, great little town. Cliveden is beautiful in the summer, though you'd have to pay to get in and there's nothing else to do in Maidenhead.

Somebody mentioned the Cotswolds earlier which are nice, Wendover might be a place to look into. Wendover Woods felt a bit too busy last time I was there though.
 
Greenwich - see where GMT was made up and good museum as well
Also, make sure to check out the Peter Harrison Planetarium in there and see an amazing dome presentation about the planets, exoplanets, where there could be life, etc.

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Oxford is nice, worth going to for a day. Just buy train tickets in advance otherwise can get pricey. Look at Windsor too.

If you want to see deers in the city then head to Richmond Park. I don't know how many tourists go there, but it's an amazing place to walk around. It's a bit away from the tourist central London, 25mins from Waterloo station. https://www.royalparks.org.uk/parks/richmond-park Anyway, google will cover all the normal central London spots. Richmond park is what I recommend to people wanting to visit a Royal Park in London. The place is massive, it's nice to get lost in it for many hours.

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Reddit's London page has a ton of info for visitors https://www.reddit.com/r/london/wiki/index


TV shows make it seem we complain about rain. The coming week looks like your average spring day, 15-17C, cloud, sun, rain, the lot. so just be ready for it all.

Yes, the Richmond Park is great especially for the deer. It's gigantic.

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Definitely do the Sky Garden, it's free and pretty awesome, just have to book it online.

There's tons of great markets with lots of awesome food vendors. Borough Market is the classic one (and been going for 1000+ years), though I particularly enjoy the market on Broadway Market on Saturdays. Afterwards you can head to London Fields Brewery 10 min by or just hang out at London Fields (weather says next Sat is ~16C). Or you could head east down Regents Canal and go to Crate Brewing or there's a bunch of other awesome stuff near Hackney Wick.

All the museums are great, especially British Museum, Tate, and Natural History Museum. There's enough that I've found it quite easy to get museum fatigue if you hit up too much in one day.
 
Some of my favorites, or basically just a list of things I've done throughout the years

if you're into markets and arent afraid of masses; on weekends it can get very crowded:
- Burough Market
- Portobello Road Market
- Camden Market (I liked the Lock and the Canal market)

Musea: I really liked the Natural History Museum and Tate, I believe they're free as well.

- Going up in 'The Shard', its a bit expensive but the view is worth it
- Visit the Tower of London. Its a bit of a tourist trap but enjoyed it.
- I believe Brighton is an hour away by train, if the weather is nice you can check out the beach and the pier; might be a fun daytrip
- I once did a Jack the Ripper tour; I thought it was pretty cool but we had a great guide and the weather was depressing as hell. I believe there are a bunch of them so Im afraid that the 'quality' might difer.
- Dont put it too high on your list but if you walk by, check out Trocadero center. It used to contain SegaWorld. I visited it when it was at its peak and it was a sort of videogames heaven. Now its just a sad place.

Food / drinks:
- I've visited Wahaca at Covent Garden (chandos place) a few times. I believe it's getting more and more popular and there are more of them in the city, but I had some great Mexican street food there. I'm sure there are better/smaller alternatives tho.
- Close to Wahaca is The Porterhouse. Big selection of beers there and the place itself is pretty impressive.

Paris:
- If your budget and schedule allows it, do it. But you can easily spend a few days there, much more to see there compared to London.

will add to this post if things come up.
 
There's some fantastic places to see outside of London like the lake District, Yorkshire Dales, Harrogate, York, Edinburgh, stone henge etc.

Don't spend most of the time in London as it ain't that great
 
Depends on what you want to do really. Classic tourist things include:

- London Eye - big Ferris wheel
- Musicals - go see a show like Les Mis
- Houses of Parliament
- Buckingham Palace - watch the changing of the Guard and try to get one of the guards to move, as they are supposed to stay motionless although I'm not sure if that's true or not
- Museums - there are bucketloads and pretty much all the major ones are free. Tate - classic art, Tate Modern - modern art, Natural History Museum - dinosaurs etc (you may have to book dinosaur section), British Museum

Areas to visit:

Hyde Park - park in middle
Greenwich - see where GMT was made up and good museum as well
South Bank of River Thames at Embankment (that's the underground) - nice walk along south bank and can see the Globe Theatre and a lot of other stuff
Oxford Street - big shopping area that you will either like or go 'nope, this is stupid' after one second. I hate it, but my wife likes it.
Soho - meant to be the quirky area but has lost a lot of character.

Cambridge/Oxford - I would go, just to do it but only do one. They are both fairly similar and I do fully expect someone from both to point out that's nonsense, but for a tourist they are similar.

Paris - up to you, there is more than enough to do in London but if it's your only chance, go so you can do the classic tourist things there.

Points:
Get an Oyster card - saved hassle on the underground.
Underground - it's amazing at times, but is also a mess. Just remember the first trains on the underground were steam trains and you'll realise why it isn't good enough for a city of London's size now.
Monday - this is a bank holiday weekend in England so all banks are shut - you can still use cash points - and some places might be full of tourists.

Hope that helps - I lived in London about 7 years ago, now up in North of England, so this is fairly touristy. Actual Londoners will give more tips soon!

Weather - pack something for cold, shitty weather. We've had hail this week where I live, snow in Scotland, bright sun elsewhere. London probably won't be so extreme but this week should make you realise why Brits can talk about the weather - you could get anything. Both


Perfect advice. And yes, as a Londoner born and bread, it's a great place. I would suggest a few beers in Camden. Try out the Camden Street market.

Also deffo do a day and night trip to Paris. It's a lot more responsible and genteel. London is punchy and busy. Also London is awesomely multi cultural. Any food interests? Google whatever you like and there will be someone out there with a restaurant for you to visit.
 
Oxford is nice for a weekend I guess. People are a lot less gloomy than Londoners. You can get a bus tour in the city centre. You are also able to book a room in one of the university halls with bed and breakfast if you want (there is a website for this). Not that great tbh (shared bathrooms, etc).

Dunno about this, it's currently term time so colleges will be using most if not all of their rooms for students. And yeah, it's not that great especially for the price. The colleges themselves are beautiful (except Catz) but the rooms are student accommodation.

It is exam season, so you have a good chance of seeing students out and about in full exam robe and tie regalia (unlike Cambridge where they have abolished that, the lucky bastards), though do be aware that exam taking students are often very stressed and resent being a tourist attraction. Back when I was a student, I've seen tourists asking to take photos of my friends rushing to exam schools, and when politely told not to they did anyway.

Punting is also far better in oxford then cambridge, if the weather is good, and I don't think its busy season yet. Cambridge punting is mostly people doing tours, where Oxford punting you get to do it yourself.

You can get directly to Oxford from London Paddington, but it's about £25 and it takes over an hour each way. There's also a bus service (confusingly called the Tube) between the two which might be a better choice.
 
Another thing. When you go to Covent Garden area, just get off at Leicester Square or whereever and then just walk around. Don't get back on tube to go one stop to Covent Garden, or to Picadilly Circus. It really is not a big area, so just walk around for the most part. Holborn, Green Park, Trafalgar Square, Embankment, Buckingham Palace, Oxford Street, Charing Cross, South Bank, London Eye, all that crap people like to see in a day. They are all walking distance. Don't torture yourself on the tube when it's packed full of commuters.
 
I bring this up whenever I see one of these threads, but:
If you do intend to visit the Natural History Museum, then you might as well make it a day for museums. Either it'll keep you occupied so as to fill it all out, or you can visit the other two museums right next to it. Science Museum is just down the road to the north, Victoria & Albert Museum across the street to the east.
 
i really should go to UK before brexit happens. as an european you are probably not going to be allowed in anymore once that happens (and even if who knows if you are welcome.).
 
I bring this up whenever I see one of these threads, but:
If you do intend to visit the Natural History Museum, then you might as well make it a day for museums. Either it'll keep you occupied so as to fill it all out, or you can visit the other two museums right next to it. Science Museum is just down the road to the north, Victoria & Albert Museum across the street to the east.

And Hyde Park is a short walk away too. Think of it as London's Central Park (assuming you're familiar with the latter).
 
Don't waste your time going to Paris, it's lovely and everything but 10 days is a good amount of time to spend in London. Do Paris when you can give it a good few days.

Pack a brolly.
 
Hello all,

As per the title I am visiting London for the first time, flight leaves this Sunday and I will be there for about 10 days. Just wanted some advice and general recommendations on what to check out, although I also have a few questions I would love answers to:

- Is it worth visiting Paris via Eurostar? Keep in mind it will only be a day trio at most, but I've never visited Paris either.
- Is there any sort of "pastoral" settings around London? I've always had a thing for this time of environment.
- I want to visit one of the Oxbridge universities, is it worth visiting both or should I only bother with one?
- I always hear Londoners complaining about rain, is that a problem this time of year?

That's it for now, Thanks in advance!

- yes, well worth it
- er, what the fuck are pastoral settings? You mean like the countryside? Try Richmond Park or Hampstead Heath
- Oxford is nicer and closer
- Nah, rainfall in London isn't that bad really. It might happen but it's not going to be bad enough to ruin anythiing.
 
London is expensive, hope you're ready to spend money. Some tips;

Flight
If you are flying from the east and landing at Heathrow, get a window seat on the right hand side of the plane. The flight path follows the city East to West and if it's a clear day you can see literally every single major landmark the city has to offer before touching down.

Views
- Go up the Tate Modern Switch House. It's free and it's one of the best views in the whole city. The Tate Modern itself is a cool place and you can combine this with a walk along the Southbank. Don't miss this.

- Go up St Paul's Cathedral. You can combine this with a tour of the church. It's an interesting tour but the star is the climb to the top and the view from there is a 360 view of the city. IMO it's the best view of the city because you are right in the middle and looking out and up at things rather than down. (The Shard is good...but if you had to do one, St Paul's every time)

- If you want a quieter day go to Primrose Hill. Nice park and area to stroll around in and there's a great view of the entire skyline from there.

Things to Do
- Museums are free to get in to, so take advantage of this. Our Empire means we stole a lot of shit from all over the world and it's all free to see. The British Museum is the obv. one, but do some research. The V+A, Natural History Museum and various art galleries all have great collections and it's worth looking into them and planning what you wan't to see. I would suggest The Hunterian as an alternative one worth going to. As well as Museums we also have some great exhibition spaces like the Barbican, Southbank Centre and Wellcome Trust which often have some interesting exhibits.

- The Parks are always good to walk through and they cut through the city, so make sure you do this. My personal favourite is St James' Park which you can easily combine with a day checking out the Royal Palaces and Parliament.

- Like any big city plenty of markets to check out, personally I like Borough Market as a place to drop by and graze on the various food stalls but there are a dozen or so pretty good ones to pick from.

- Walk over Waterloo Bridge.

Shopping
- Stay clear of Oxford Street, unless you want to go to Selfridges, it's pretty horrible otherwise with very few interesting stores. Regent's Street which is adjacent is much nicer (and pricier) and Carnaby Street which is just next to it are more interesting.

- Check out Dover Street Market, you probably won't buy anything there but it's half store half art space.

- Soho and Covent Garden are generally where you'll find more interesting shops. Burlington Arcade is also cool and very 'British'.

Food
- Don't go to Tayabbs like everyone will tell you to. Dishoom is much better (but there is often a long queue). Talli Joe's on Shaftesbury Avenue is actually better, cheaper and easier to get in to than both, IMO. If you want a fancier Michelin starred type Indian meal, Gymkhana is the place.

- Exmouth Coffee Company is the place to drop in to when you go by Brick Lane

- Book a breakfast at The Duck and Waffle, it's a good breakfast with a great view of London. Book quickly, it's usually very busy.

Day Trips
- Think most people do Oxford and it's easy to do. I like Bath personally.

- If you're doing Paris, as has been said, do more than a day. I think a week in London is enough to get a sense of it, you'll always want to stay longer. Paris for 2/3 days is a great idea. Not a fucking chance it's better than London but it's still a great city :)

Going on a bit now, so I'll stop! London is a great city. Walk as much as possible, like any city it's the best way to discover it. And check out websites that tell you what's on at the time you're visiting (Londonist is a good one). As well as the standard sights and sounds there's always random stuff on and passing through London and that's probably the best thing about it.
 
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