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Wal-Mart employee fired for redeeming $2 in discarded bottles from parking lot

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Trojita

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The guy was an ex-convict trying to get his life back together and was homeless.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/21/wal-mart-employee-fired-for-redeeming-2-in-discarded-bottles-from-parking-lot/

Thomas Smith was trying to get his life in order.

The 52-year-old, released from prison in May after serving a 15-year sentence for armed robbery, thought a $9-an-hour job gathering grocery carts from the parking lot of a Wal-Mart Supercenter in Albany, N.Y., was a good place to start.

He had been homeless before he landed his new job and was looking forward to bringing home a steady paycheck that he could use to support his two teenage children.


But on Nov. 6, less than 90 days into his new job, Smith was fired for redeeming a total of $2 worth of cans and bottles that were left in a shopping cart outside the store entryway, violating a store policy that he claims he was unaware of, according to the Albany Times Union.

In New York, empty cans and bottles can be redeemed for cash. Smith told the paper he began collecting the ones he found discarded by customers in the parking lot to put a few extra dollars in his pocket.

“I didn’t know you couldn’t take empties left behind,” Smith, who has a learning disability and claims he turned to crime in the past because of a heroin and cocaine addiction, told the Times Union. “They were garbage. I didn’t even get a chance to explain myself. They told me to turn in my badge.”


Instead of giving him a chance to explain, Smith claims he was taken to the store’s security office and interrogated by three security managers. Afterward, he said, he was asked to sign a statement admitting his guilt.

Rattled, confused and unable to read the statement without his glasses, Smith told the Times Union he signed the document because he wanted to avoid a larger conflict and because he didn’t want to risk violating his parole.

“C’mon,” Mark Emanatian, an organizer of the Albany chapter of the public activist group Citizen Action, told the Times Union. “Firing the guy for $2 in bottles and cans? Where’s the human compassion? Where’s the dignity and respect?”

Assemblyman Steven McLaughlin, a Republican from Schaghticoke, told the Times Union he visited the Wal-Mart where Smith was employed and asked the manager to give him another chance by hiring him at a different location.

“I said this is nonsense,” McLaughlin told the paper. “Let’s just try to help the guy. He made a mistake, give him a warning and move on. He’s been in prison, he was homeless and now he’s got a job and is trying to contribute to society. They’re turning a mole hill into a mountain of bad publicity.

He added: “I told Wal-Mart they’re a week away from their biggest shopping day of the year and they could end up with a bunch of protesters outside the store. Just transfer him to a different store. Easy fix.”


But Wal-Mart isn’t budging, according to the Times Union. A spokesman for the big box retailer released a statement saying “Mr. Smith was terminated due to theft inside of the store and has signed a statement admitting to the crime.”

Clarifying that statement, Aaron Mullins, a Wal-Mart spokesman, told the Times Union that Smith was guilty of “gross misconduct” for removing discarded bottles from a shopping cart that had been sitting near the entryway for nearly and hour and then redeeming them inside the store.

The bottles, Mullins explained, are considered Wal-Mart property making Smith, in essence, a thief. The act, Mullins noted, was caught on a surveillance camera.

“He was terminated for taking property inside the store,” Mullins told the paper.

By all other accounts, Smith was a model employee during his brief time at Wal-Mart. When the store’s management asked him to work extra shifts on the weekend, he complied. On the day he was fired, the Times Union reported, Smith had been working four hours more than his scheduled shift.

A gofundme was setup for the guy.

#fuckwalmart
 
Bottles are property of Walmart so he's a thief? I don't fucking even. Fuck that shithole of a company

Writing up a statement and intimidating someone to sign it shouldn't be legally binding =/
I'm kinds of curious what the learning disability is since I thought they had to have a helper assigned to them for thinks like this.
 

shira

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Walmart fucked up, here comes bad PR

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PR is the least of their worries
 

Effect

Member
What a F'd up thing to do. The cost of trying to damage control this is worth far more then whatever they were paying him. This is a stupid thing for Walmart to plant their flag on.
 
By all other accounts, Smith was a model employee during his brief time at Wal-Mart. When the store’s management asked him to work extra shifts on the weekend, he complied. On the day he was fired, the Times Union reported, Smith had been working four hours more than his scheduled shift.

He had been working 4 extra FUCKING hours, and then they fuck him over 2 dollar.


Seriously, what the hell.
 
Does Walmart just not care about bad PR? Because this would have been such an easy thing to avoid, and they were given a chance after firing him to do just that, and this was their response.
 

riotous

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I know of someone who goes around Walmart parking lots looking for receipts, goes through their garbage too.

Then she scans them in some sort of Walmart savings app and gets like $60 a week in credit on her Walmart card per week.
 

kswiston

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When I was a high school, I worked at a grocery store, often collecting carts from the parking lot. Our carts had those little locks that required a quarter deposit to unlock. I'd pocket the quarters from carts left by customers who couldn't be bothered to lock them back up (quite a few people when it rained). I guess I was a thief too if my store had the same policy.
 
I know of someone who goes around Walmart parking lots looking for receipts, goes through their garbage too.

Then she scans them in some sort of Walmart savings app and gets like $60 a week in credit on her Walmart card per week.

You would think this would get back to her if any of those receipts were paid for using card.

Also, fuck Walmart.
 
Thats considered theft? So if I collected empty cans outside, I'm stealing from Walmart?

Only the employees get counted as theft.

It's complete bullshit. They consider the stupidest things 'theft'. "Oh you took 3 minutes walking from the back to the front of the store after clocking in? YOU'RE STEALING SAM WALTONS TIME!!"(No, literally. I've had that thrown at me before.)
 

Madness

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Thats considered theft? So if I collected empty cans outside, I'm stealing from Walmart?

As an employee yes. It's just stupid zero tolerance policies. If you are an employee and find a winning lottery ticket in the parking lot and cashed it in, same thing.

Stupid. At least the gofundme is high where he can get a much better job. Also, there are comments elsewhere saying he's a former felon, he did his time. Let him make the best of his remaining life now. Here's hoping the increased exposure triples the gofundme. Walmart is a piece of shit company as it is.
 

Dead Man

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“I said this is nonsense,” McLaughlin told the paper. “Let’s just try to help the guy. He made a mistake, give him a warning and move on. He’s been in prison, he was homeless and now he’s got a job and is trying to contribute to society. They’re turning a mole hill into a mountain of bad publicity.

Only mistake made by anyone here is Walmarts, not his. Thinking they own the rubbish in the lot.
 
As an employee yes. It's just stupid zero tolerance policies. If you are an employee and find a winning lottery ticket in the parking lot and cashed it in, same thing.

Stupid. At least the gofundme is high where he can get a much better job. Also, there are comments elsewhere saying he's a former felon, he did his time. Let him make the best of his remaining life now. Here's hoping the increased exposure triples the gofundme. Walmart is a piece of shit company as it is.


I worked a seasonal job in retail and helped a lady with some boxes out to her car, and she offered to top me. I declined, knowing it's probably against policy but she said "it's Christmas" and shoved it in my shirt pocket. A friend of mine who worked there too told me not to say anything because they'd likely fire me over it.
 

smurfx

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Only mistake made by anyone here is Walmarts, not his. Thinking they own the rubbish in the lot.
i don't mind this rule being there so employees give back stuff dropped by shoppers there that is of value. firing somebody over cans is b.s though. maybe they didn't like this employee much and used this as an excuse to fire him.
 
Only the employees get counted as theft.

It's complete bullshit. They consider the stupidest things 'theft'. "Oh you took 3 minutes walking from the back to the front of the store after clocking in? YOU'RE STEALING SAM WALTONS TIME!!"(No, literally. I've had that thrown at me before.)

Same lol.

Of course we also have dumbasses that go take 30 minute + naps on the toilet, or hide in the breakroom or personnel office for the last hour of our shift.
 
Absolutely terrible, even more glad I don't shop at Walmart anymore.

May have been a blessing though, bad PR for Walmart, and they've raised 15k already for this Gentleman and his kids.
 

Kadayi

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I bet the guy who fired him probably more than $2 worth of company stationary that he's half inched from the office in his house.
 
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