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[ronito]

http://www.campusprogress.org/page/community/post_group/collegegopundercover/BBb

Liberal site goes to the College Republican National Convention to see what's being said. Here's a few goodies:

Sometimes it's hard to maintain your sense of humor.

Thus, here are some highlights from Rev. Jesse Lee Petersen's speech. (He is the head of BOND: Brotherhood Organization of New Destiny, and he is basically Jesse Jackson's sworn enemy.)

- "I am an American, not an African-American."
- The Civil Rights movement destroyed black people's sense of self-respect and their compass for what's right.
- The Civil Rights Movement took the men out of their homes and prevented black people from thinking for themselves.
- It is not racism but lack of moral character that causes problems for black people.
- The black leadership succeeds by keeping black folks angry.
- Now Muslim folks are moving in and trying to take over.
- "I don't care what people say, but (Muslim people) don't like us!"
- America has already given black people all it has to give.
- On reparations, he emphasizes the fact that all the slaves are dead.
- On those who want reparations, he says, "Instead of reparations, how 'bout a free ticket back to Africa?" (Raucous laughter.)
- "The Democratic battle is ordained by the devil."
- "It's not white vs. black, it's good vs. evil."
- "White folks need to get over their fear of being called a racist."

Eric Holpin, current chairman of the CRNC, was grinning the entire time during Rev. Petersen's speech. They welcome this man into their midst, and they give him a standing ovation.

And conservatives still wonder why black people vote Democratic?

My wife's republican, but she wouldn't stand up for this, and yet so many do. I don't get it.

 

[fart]

what i wonder is whether he really believes this stuff. that's in-freaking-sane.

 

[Yossarian]

Sounds like an unbiased resource to me.

 

[ronito]

Sounds like an unbiased resource to me.

Sorry Fox News was down

 

[olimario]

Knocking Civil Rights is messed up... That movement was amazing.
But African Americans today need to stop looking at race just like everybody else needs to stop. I really don't understand why we have to continue to divide ourselves.

 

[Dan]

I'd like to see actual quotes. If you're going to bother to get in there, record it.

 

[Hitokage]

Knocking Civil Rights is messed up... That movement was amazing.
But African Americans today need to stop looking at race just like everybody else needs to stop. I really don't understand why we have to continue to divide ourselves.

Even if racism were to completely die tomorrow, preexisting inequality in wealth(not income, mind you) from the time racism did exist would perpetuate social and geographic division. The fact of the matter is that it's not people who knowlingly perpetuate race divison, it's wealth... and in the present time of class immobility, it's only going to continue.

 

[Flynn]

Same old Klan. New-fangled name.

 

[sans_pants]

- On reparations, he emphasizes the fact that all the slaves are dead.

i see no problem with this statement

 

[ronito]

- On reparations, he emphasizes the fact that all the slaves are dead.

i see no problem with this statement

Well, yah duh...it's just the other 90% of what he said that's crazy.

 

[sans_pants]

Same old Klan. New-fangled name.

so conservatives=klan

thanks for your opinion

 

[kablooey]

so conservatives=klan

More or less.

 

[Father_Brain]

I thought this would be about Iraq - oh well, no reason I can't remedy that.

http://www.campusprogress.org/page/community/post_group/main/BB2

Bill Frist bestowed upon us CRNC'ers the honor of a telecast. After making a joke about how he's such a badass heart surgeon, the blond-headed belle in the row in front of me turned around and said, "He's good!" Yes, he's a pretty awesome doctor. Insert Terry Schiavo comment here.

Then a girl wearing pearls walked by. (Oh it's worth a mention all right.)

The girl wearing pearls walked by some dude rocking a polo shirt and sneakers, which is in itself worth noting at this kind of a gathering (casual? what?). Even more noteworthy than his crazy liberal dress, though, was the collection of empty Busch Light cans under his chair. I counted 6. Pearls. Busch Light. Pearls. Busch Light.

A little later, Tony Perkins from the Family Research Council took the stage, noting with courageous enthusiasm, "There are some things that are worth fighting for." He proceeded to talk about the Iraq War, and some very heroic veterans (give credit where credit's due, 'sall good). Then he said, "They're giving their lives as you're giving your time." Right. These (military-age) folks helped create this war, but they're letting everybody else fight it. The irony was lost on this crowd.

Read all the entries that have been posted here:

http://www.campusprogress.org/page/community/blog/Conventioneer

Comments:

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/24/why-enlist-when-youve-already-stapled-so-much/

You know, you've got a point there, Tony. Just like our soldiers are dying in Iraq, campus conservatives are stapling flyers for an Ann Coulter speech to a kiosk. Basically the same thing.

Oh, and read this too, even though it's from a year ago:
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/06/cowards-and-liars-lot-of-them.html

 

[ToyMachine228]

"White folks need to get over their fear of being called a racist."

That's the one point that I actually agree with.

 

[Flynn]

so conservatives=klan

thanks for your opinion

They're batting for your team.

We've got hippies and commies, you have bigots. Deal with it.

 

[Outlaw Pro Mod]

you have bigots

Wow that's a new one.

 

[Drinky Crow]

How about white folks just don't act fucking racist, period, hm?

And as for reparations, white people haven't helped pull black folk out the economic morass they've stuck them in yet, so I wouldn't say all's evened up quite yet.

 

[ToyMachine228]

How about white folks just don't act fucking racist, period, hm?

And as for reparations, white people haven't helped pull black folk out the economic morass they've stuck them in yet, so I wouldn't say all's evened up quite yet.

Racism needs to stop period. But it's never going to. It has got better with the generation that is now graduating...But it's never going to be completely wiped out. Both white people and black people are guilty of making racism still exist today.

 

[bionic77]

How about white folks just don't act fucking racist, period, hm?

And as for reparations, white people haven't helped pull black folk out the economic morass they've stuck them in yet, so I wouldn't say all's evened up quite yet.

Black people are treated awfully in America. And it isn't just white people. A lot of east and south asian families I have seen are incredibly racist. Of course none of these peoplea are overt about their racism, but as soon as you close the door they voice their real opinions. It makes me sick, some of them are my parent's friends and they are nice people otherwise, but I will never get that hatred.

Anyone who thinks black people are on equal footing now is insane. I hope I live to see that day, but I am not optimistic.

 

[sans_pants]

Black people are treated awfully in America. And it isn't just white people. A lot of east and south asian families I have seen are incredibly racist. Of course none of these peoplea are overt about their racism, but as soon as you close the door they voice their real opinions. It makes me sick, some of them are my parent's friends and they are nice people otherwise, but I will never get that hatred.

Anyone who thinks black people are on equal footing now is insane. I hope I live to see that day, but I am not optimistic.

im not going to say that people arent racist, but you are only looking at half the coin

there are a lot of black people out there who "dont trust whitey" and are openly and loudly anti-white

but thats not racism, correct?

 

[KidGalactus]

Drinky's actually right, (did I just say that?) and you can't adopt this ridiculous attitude of 'if they can do it why can't I?' Racism's just as wrong when black people do it.

The main difference is in nuance, I'd suppose. Most racism I see coming from black culture seems to be fearful in the sense of resentment. Whereas most white racism I've seen seems to be fearful but coming from the direction of 'you don't belong here' or 'you want to hurt me'

Those are two different schools of thought, but neither's any less wrong than the other.

And on topic: double you tee eff is up with some of these whack-jobs?

Sure there are black people with skewed moral agendas, same as with some white people. How does that translate into a pall over the entire black populace?

 

[Diablos]

http://www.campusprogress.org/page/community/post_group/collegegopundercover/BBb

Liberal site goes to the College Republican National Convention to see what's being said. Here's a few goodies:


My wife's republican, but she wouldn't stand up for this, and yet so many do. I don't get it.

HEY MAN, I'M SICK OF YOUR SHIT. AFTER 9/11, THE COUNTRY WAS DIVIDED IN TWO. THE LEFT, AND THE RIGHT. REPUBLICANS ARE THINKING AHEAD. THIS WILL ALL MAKE SENSE SOMEDAY. I MAKE $5.25 AN HOUR WASHING DISHES AT OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE BUT I LOVE SHOUTING OFF PRO-ECONOMIC BULLSHIT ON A DAILY BASIS.

 

[KidGalactus]

^^
WTF?! :lol

 

[Zaptruder]

HEY MAN, I'M SICK OF YOUR SHIT. AFTER 9/11, THE COUNTRY WAS DIVIDED IN TWO. THE LEFT, AND THE RIGHT. REPUBLICANS ARE THINKING AHEAD. THIS WILL ALL MAKE SENSE SOMEDAY. I MAKE $5.25 AN HOUR WASHING DISHES AT OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE BUT I LOVE SHOUTING OFF PRO-ECONOMIC BULLSHIT ON A DAILY BASIS.

Uh... I sense satire? But who are you pretending to be? and why are you quoting him?

 

[Diablos]

Uh... I sense satire? But who are you pretending to be? and why are you quoting him?

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA? MAYBE YOU SHOULD MOVE TO PALESTINE.

 

[Yossarian]

We've got hippies and commies, you have bigots. Deal with it.

apparently you've got idiots as well.

 

[Zaptruder]

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA? MAYBE YOU SHOULD MOVE TO PALESTINE.

Funny you say that, because I live in australia...

 

[etiolate]

He's just plaing to the crowd and making some silly statements by doing so.

I do wish we could stop making it a skin tone issue. Poverty is growing and we need to tackle it without the handcuffs of race.

 

[jooey]

I do wish we could stop making it a skin tone issue. Poverty is growing and we need to tackle it without the handcuffs of race.

yeah, and we can hire some of those burly, sweaty mexicans to help tackle it!

 

[etiolate]

yeah, and we can hire some of those burly, sweaty mexicans to help tackle it!

Hey now, they aren't so burly.

 

[Flynn]

apparently you've got idiots as well.

Idiocy plagues both sides of the political spectrum. Since I'm so stupid, please explain to me where on the "left to right" chart of political leanings racists, extreme nationalists and white supremacists lie.

I'm curious just how far to the left of center you think they belong.

 

[fart]

i love how every point on there is completely fucking ridiculous yet people start chiming in with how crazy he is but OH I AGREE THAT THAT BIGOTED TALKING POINT, THAT ONE'S VALID!

there's a lot of work to do in this country and i'm pretty sure it's never going to be done.

 

[DDayton]

You know, call me a devil's advocate, but I have to say that some of those points look like paraphrases intentionally designed to make the speaker look bad.

I mean, I really doubt anyone said "THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WAS BAD" -- I think it's more logical to assume something was said that implied that the 60's and politicians who emerged from the civil rights movement lead to the problems they described.

You really need quotes from the event to properly respond, folks -- not paraphrases from people who already have intent to prove the speaker wrong/evil/etc.

 

[ronito]

You know, call me a devil's advocate, but I have to say that some of those points look like paraphrases intentionally designed to make the speaker look bad.

I mean, I really doubt anyone said "THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WAS BAD" -- I think it's more logical to assume something was said that implied that the 60's and politicians who emerged from the civil rights movement lead to the problems they described.

You really need quotes from the event to properly respond, folks -- not paraphrases from people who already have intent to prove the speaker wrong/evil/etc.

This would be a very good point. But before I posted this I wanted to make sure that this was at least somewhat credible, google his name and you'll find that this sort of stuff isn't really beyond what he's said in the past. It's actually a very interesting search.

 

[Excess Poo Flakes]

A few of those make sense, were they quoted directly? If so, agree with teh above poster

 

[DDayton]

I'm assuming only the items shown in quotation marks are actual quotes -- the most inflammatory stuff is only printed as paraphrase. I'm assuming that what he said didn't directly equate to the paraphrase, but that is how his most active opponents might summarize his statements.

Until someone gets actual footage or transcripts, it's a bit dangerous to go on a single set of paraphrases comments, ESPECIALLY ones which seem really unlikely for someone to say. I'm sure he spoke disparagingly about various movements from the 60's and "liberal politics", but I find it doubtful that he said the civil rights movement did the things listed. What he probably did was accuse groups and folks with links to (or a great reverence for) the Civil Rights movement of not always acting in the best interest of black Americans -- possibly saying that some modern policies set in place to help the poor and disadvantaged (like Welfare and financial aid to single mothers) did more to hurt groups than to help them. That's a point of view expressed by several in the Republican camp, but a point of view which COULD be construed as saying "THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT HURT BLACK PEOPLE!"

 

[ronito]

I'm assuming only the items shown in quotation marks are actual quotes -- the most inflammatory stuff is only printed as paraphrase. I'm assuming that what he said didn't directly equate to the paraphrase, but that is how his most active opponents might summarize his statements.

Until someone gets actual footage or transcripts, it's a bit dangerous to go on a single set of paraphrases comments, ESPECIALLY ones which seem really unlikely for someone to say. I'm sure he spoke disparagingly about various movements from the 60's and "liberal politics", but I find it doubtful that he said the civil rights movement did the things listed. What he probably did was accuse groups and folks with links to (or a great reverence for) the Civil Rights movement of not always acting in the best interest of black Americans -- possibly saying that some modern policies set in place to help the poor and disadvantaged (like Welfare and financial aid to single mothers) did more to hurt groups than to help them. That's a point of view expressed by several in the Republican camp, but a point of view which COULD be construed as saying "THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT HURT BLACK PEOPLE!"

Here's a direct quote. So that should appease (bolded for your pleasure):

Speaking on "Welfare Reform and Faith Based Initiatives," Reverend Jesse Peterson, founder of BOND (Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny) attacked the civil rights movement, calling it "the worst thing that could have happened to the black community" and stating that it replaced the role of the father with a government that is "anti-God, anti-family and anti-country."

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=1622&print=yes&units=all

 

[Kabuki Waq]

yikes.

Thats all i can say i cant believe some people are defending this shit.

 

[aoi tsuki]

While it's not the only thing that bothers me in the quoted text, i really wish there'd be a commercial showing people of different races announcing they're Muslim, as much of a pipe dream as it is. "Muslim" doesn't denote race, it's the name given to a follower of Islam.

 

[videogamer]

yeah, and we can hire some of those burly, sweaty mexicans to help tackle it!

All that lard in their refritos don't help the Mexicans show off their physique.

 

[DDayton]

Here's a direct quote. So that should appease (bolded for your pleasure):

Speaking on "Welfare Reform and Faith Based Initiatives," Reverend Jesse Peterson, founder of BOND (Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny) attacked the civil rights movement, calling it "the worst thing that could have happened to the black community" and stating that it replaced the role of the father with a government that is "anti-God, anti-family and anti-country."

...again, call me a devil's advocate, but that's selective quoting. Instead of providing the context, the writer quotes the negative phrase then tells us what it is supposed to be referring to, instead of quoting what the speaker actually referred to. My point was that it seemed unlikely for the person to say "THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WAS THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY" -- rather, something else (which the reporter equates with the civil rights movement) is being attacked by the speaker. Failure to accurately quote a speaker tends to make one's reporting a bit suspect.

Again, I don't know exactly what was said, but at this point none of the sites reporting on it seem to be saying exactly what was said.

 

[fart]

http://mediamatters.org/items/200411300008

While discussing Reverend Jesse Jackson's efforts to investigate failures in Ohio's presidential election voting process, Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson attacked Jackson and other liberals for trying to "keep black Americans angry in order to keep them on the plantation of the Democratic Party." In addition to condemning liberals as "racist towards black Americans," Peterson also falsely claimed that no blacks were disenfranchised in the 2000 election and erroneously suggested that Senator John Kerry supported reparations for slavery in the 2004 presidential campaign. Peterson's comments came during an appearance on the November 29 edition of FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes.

the guy is the real deal. skepticism is all well and good, but unwarranted here.

 

[ronito]

...again, call me a devil's advocate, but that's selective quoting. Instead of providing the context, the writer quotes the negative phrase then tells us what it is supposed to be referring to, instead of quoting what the speaker actually referred to. My point was that it seemed unlikely for the person to say "THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WAS THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY" -- rather, something else (which the reporter equates with the civil rights movement) is being attacked by the speaker. Failure to accurately quote a speaker tends to make one's reporting a bit suspect.

Again, I don't know exactly what was said, but at this point none of the sites reporting on it seem to be saying exactly what was said.

Ok. My bad. I apologize for this thread. I was hoping to have a discussion about why the pubs were giving this man, who has a pretty bad reputation as far as his speech goes is getting standing ovations at college conventions. Here's some quotes from his radio show showing what I mean. (I don't have irretfutable video or recordings of him saying these things so I didn't post them from the beginning knowing I'd get the whole "what's your source thing." Seeing as how I'm getting it now, might as well.)

"Most Black people are not honest and don't like to work."

"Most Black preachers aren't called by God, they are called by their mommas."

"Most Black preachers teach hatred of Israel."

"Most Black people, not all, but most, like lies over truth."

"A lot of Christians aren't really Christians, especially Black ones."

"When it comes to sex, you can't trust a Black preacher."

"Blacks who complain should be put back onto the plantation so that they would know how to work."

"Most Black men are not worth anything."

"Black preachers are racists".

Instead this thread's degraded to a discussion about sources and the context (as so many do). Apologies wasting your time everybody.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

so conservatives=klan

thanks for your opinion

Pretty much, I'd pay you 100.00 if you can find me a Klansmen that voted for Kerry. At anyrate the guy's language is pretty much on point. What's the big deal?

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Pretty much, I'd pay you 100.00 if you can find me a Klansmen that voted for Kerry. At anyrate the guy's language is pretty much on point. What's the big deal?

So where's my $100?

 

[ronito]

So where's my $100?

D'oh! Beaten!!!! And I wanted the $100.
If you think that racists are only Republicans, then boy oh boy are you idealistic.

 

[videogamer]

Don't forget this one:

"W.E.B. Du Bois was a communist, socialist pig," Peterson crowed.

The Nation has a nice write up on him.
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20050411&s=blumenthal

So where's my $100?

You know, he's talking in the present tense. Byrd has repudiated his Klansman past years ago. People don't always stick with the same religion. They don't stick with the same social clubs. You can join and leave movements.

 

[sans_pants]

i was upset because it appears he is saying all conservatives=clan

but i guess us conservatives hate peace and love, so why not black people

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

D'oh! Beaten!!!! And I wanted the $100.
If you think that racists are only Republicans, then boy oh boy are you idealistic.

Bryd isn't a current member of the Klan or any hate group. News flash gents every person his race and age from his state had the same outlook on race part of the culture.

No racists come from every part of the spectrum however if I had to pick a political party today (circa 2005) that constantly gets over by expoliting fears about race to move the agenda. I would have to go with the republican party. Until the Republican party can find an agenda that appeals to all Americans then my stance pretty much will be where it is.

 

[ronito]

i was upset because it appears he is saying all conservatives=clan

but i guess us conservatives hate peace and love, so why not black people

Well if you're going to be quoting liberals about republicans you forgot you're supposed to hate the environment, civil liberties, foreign countries, evolution, progress, oh and poor people too. Don't forget those. :lol

Joking aside, I and I think a lot of sensible non-republicans don't believe that conservatives=klan (heck I'd better not I married one and I'm latino)...