Father_Brain
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"In development" doesn't mean it'll actually happen. The phrase "development hell" was coined for a reason.
Warner Bros. Officially confirms "Justice League" to follow MoS Sequel
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"In development" doesn't mean it'll actually happen. The phrase "development hell" was coined for a reason.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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We already got a Shazam movie. Shaq was in it and it was great.
These plot rumors (courtesy of user 'James Woods') from 3 months ago seem rather likely to me, especially considering the last line of his synopsis.
fredrancour
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All this time I thought Superman-Batman and MoS2 were referring to two separate movies.
So they're just gonna throw a bunch of superheroes on screen? Where only Superman and Green Lantern had their own movie (Nolan Batman doesn't count as that is it's own thing)? As opposed to The Avengers where 4 had their own movie? And they think this will work? Am I getting this wrong?
Bobby Roberts
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I thought those got debunked?
They're also based on the idea that Nightwing was going to be in the movie, which came from finding out Adam Driver was auditioning, before it turned out that Driver was auditioning for Luthor.
Avengers was not the first superhero movie to feature multiple superheroes onscreen at the same time without individual origin stories (or movies) for each hero.
Superhero fans seem to think that liking superheroes is this complicated thing that needs all sorts of detailed setup.
Quoting myself from some days ago at the Cyborg thread:
That Shazam movie MUST be amazing.
That Shazam movie MUST be amazing.
Mushroomer25
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Wait, wait, wait.
They casted Wonder Woman, Cyborg, (presumably) Aquaman, and more - and HADN'T formally announced Justice League?
Why? Shit, why wasn't this right at that Batman/Superman reveal at Comiccon last year - why on earth did they bother waiting?
Also, I feel like that "We aren't officially doing Wonder Woman" quote is less about DC being afraid to launch a female superhero, and more about their asinine method of franchise establishment. They aren't going to greenlight a solo movie until that character performs well in an existing film - maybe even meets a quota on merchandise sales, etc. I'm sure DC would be open to doing a solo film for any Justice League member who proves popular.
But yeah, if they announce tomorrow "Cyborg and Aquaman movies will follow Justice League, guys" - feel free to slit somebody's throat.
They casted Wonder Woman, Cyborg, (presumably) Aquaman, and more - and HADN'T formally announced Justice League?
Why? Shit, why wasn't this right at that Batman/Superman reveal at Comiccon last year - why on earth did they bother waiting?
Also, I feel like that "We aren't officially doing Wonder Woman" quote is less about DC being afraid to launch a female superhero, and more about their asinine method of franchise establishment. They aren't going to greenlight a solo movie until that character performs well in an existing film - maybe even meets a quota on merchandise sales, etc. I'm sure DC would be open to doing a solo film for any Justice League member who proves popular.
But yeah, if they announce tomorrow "Cyborg and Aquaman movies will follow Justice League, guys" - feel free to slit somebody's throat.
Not when it comes to marketing. Unless of course the trailers/posters include some cheesy "Super Friends" call out. The film is definitely going to have to ride on the general audience's familiarity with the Big Three.
It's vastly more obscure than both of those terms, and yes, it is an extremely obscure term that only comic nerds know. People know "Man of Steel" because Superman has been called that in mass media outside of comics for decades. People know "Dark Knight" because he has been called that in the movies and cartoons long before the Nolan film, and then the Nolan film capitalized on that to make it a film title.
Most importantly, both of those titles describe the characters simply and effectively, whereas "World's Finest" doesn't mean anything. It sounds like a salad dressing. The magazine in question was called "World's Finest Comics" and that's where the Superman/Batman stories happened to be published, it doesn't even have anything to do with the characters. There's no way in hell they use it as anything other than a subtitle, and even then it's a needless shoutout to material that barely has any relevance to Snyder's take on the character anyway.
"World's Finest" is a terrible, terrible title for the movie, and they're correct to call it something more descriptive that includes the names "Batman" and "Superman."
Dollhouse and Serenity also aren't superhero stories. Whedon has an extremely good track record with superhero comic books and comic adaptations, especially with characters that have long histories. At the very least, I guarantee what he wrote for WW was better than what passed for a script in Man of Steel.
I'm sure the existence of "The Incredible Hulk" had a measurable impact on audience's enjoyment of that character in the avengers. I think you're overestimating the necessity of a "phase 1".
WyndhamPrice
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At that time they hadn't cast anyone or locked down contracts or anything for this master plan.
Remember, they didn't immediately announce The Avengers when they announced Iron Man.
WB is obviously thirsty for Marvel's level of success but they're not that dumb - at least, not "let's bank on Green Lantern being our route to billions" dumb anymore.
Great, we're set to have another thread of the same people recycling the same tired arguments about how Marvel's way way of building the MCU is the ONLY way a quality team-up film can be made. So many are so convinced Man of Steel 2 is going to be shit because of rumored characters being cast. How about we give them the benefit of the doubt, no?
Riposte
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Better to kill off/vilify and move on like in the 90s.
EDIT: The masses are completely unable to deal with these comicbook terms and tropes until a movie with them comes out anyway and breaks records.
If they called a Superman vs. Batman movie "World's Finest", people will know "World's Finest" was the movie where Superman vs. Batman happened and after it happened it would never be questioned again.
After Man of Steel, it's pretty hard to blame anyone for not giving the sequels the benefit of the doubt, especially with Snyder remaining at the helm. Goyer not writing Justice League gives me some hope, though.
plantedunicorn
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This sounds interesting but I'm way more intrigued by Afflecks solo batman movies. I wonder if he'll direct those. Also is WB not gonna any comic book movies till 2016? I wish they actually used the DC properties a little more. Compared to Marvel having at least 2 every year.
The problem is I have no faith at all in Zack Snyder based on his track record.
And yet the problems with Man of Steel had little to do with Snyder's direction and a hell of a lot more to do with the script. Goyer is only supplying story ideas for Man of Steel 2 and probably will be involved in a similar capacity for Justice League, and that's it. But that's hardly what people are complaining about. It's constant bitching about how they don't have four years of movies to build up to the team up.
Bobby Roberts
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IdreamofHIME
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What's the point in him being on board? He told Snyder not to have Supes kill Zod, but Snyder did it anyways. So why should Nolan bother with these movies if his advice isn't taken?
Maninthemirror
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You answered it yourself. Marvel heroes were. unknown to public compared to dc heroes before the movies . Dc does not need intro movies it can go right in and then do intro movies later
Wow revisionist history. Look up the link where you sourced the news from
brandonh83
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Wow, sounds like Snyder made a good decision over Nolan there.
Which is incredible because of the 5 films that built to the avengers, only one was legitimately good and the rest were mediocre to average.
Bobby Roberts
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That's not really how that went.
They could have been debunked - I don't recall either way.
Still, I guess the framework and overall setup for the film seem plausible, and the Nightwing shout-out can be ignored. Maybe the people working on the production at the time thought that was the case. Either way, haha I should probably stop bringing that up. We'll probably get a fresh set of rumors soon enough.
It's a valid complaint, as one of the reasons Avengers was able to move the way it did was because it didn't need to explain who anyone was, and could assume the audience was familiar. Justice League has an advantage in that all but one (Martian Manhunter) of the core League is well known enough to the general public that they can probably get away with minimal backstory, but you're still left with the problem of exactly who these characters are in the DCU. Marvel kind of had an advantage in the sense that, since their characters have remained pretty consistent over the years, they knew exactly who they would be in the film. With DC, are you using Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age, Modern Age, New 52? A brand new melding of multiple takes on the characters? Universally so or on a per-character basis? Which Green Lantern is it, and which version of that Green Lantern, and which era's ring powers?
There is groundwork to be laid here, and it is important, and Snyder/WB clearly agree, or we wouldn't be seeing so many of these characters popping up as cameos in Batman vs. Superman to get some of that business out of the way.
Nope, and nope.
Bad mogul.
Heh, funny, but I'm still right. Go ask your non-nerd family and friends what a movie called World's Finest would be, in their opinion. I bet at least one of them thinks it's about chefs competing to win a cooking contest.
Father_Brain
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Also, had to LOL at this quote:
Assuming WSJ is correct about JL not coming before 2018: three films in six years (2013-2018) is "quickly catching up" with Marvel Studios? Maybe there could be another film in 2017, we'll see.
Assuming WSJ is correct about JL not coming before 2018: three films in six years (2013-2018) is "quickly catching up" with Marvel Studios? Maybe there could be another film in 2017, we'll see.
So it's still not safe to say The Rock will be Black Adam?
It'll have to be someone other than Snyder directing. WB's insistence on sticking with one director is the main thing slowing them down in this regard.
Snyder is definitely my main problem with it, but I'm actually the kind of guy who prefers the Superman Returns style of Supes instead, so this was never going to be entirely for me. It definitely needs a better script, but it is not the only thing.
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I get the arguments about not really needing a MCU Phase 1 style approach, and it is not a discussion I am interested in having because I believe jumping with both feet into a multiple characters movie can be pulled off just as well. I don't see the issue with the lack of individual movies, but... the reality is that it doesn't feel that WB is doing that. They are coming from a freshly finished Batman trilogy with another interpretation of the character, who is now interacting with a very so-so representation of Supes, who had a movie to himself and had a world that didn't look a world in which Bats was already a thing, or that it could stand for anything other than a Supes origin film. Then they are adding a bunch of other characters that we know they have had trouble getting off the ground first or have not been considered at all, and hoping to build a team franchise on what I think is a very shaky foundation. That is why I feel people are justified in feeling the movie might be just WB throwing stuff into it with no real plan.
Either way, we'll see how this turns out. I'll watch it, but I am not really expecting it to be what it should.
It is exactly that. I feel that fans making it out to be some sort of master plan are delusional. (I've read some posts about how the plan is to develop all of them in parallel in the group movies, so no need for individual ones). I feel certain about saying this because that is exactly how execs think. Marvel and Disney execs wanted to take that approach with The Avengers, until Feige convinced them otherwise, and we know how that turned out.
tbh, I don't like either Director's chosen take of their DC superhero so I'm neither here nor there.
I just think it's a mess that they'd just turn the 2nd Superman film into Superman vs Batman and call it a day. Then they'd just do Justice League without doing any film for the other Superheroes. Not to mention apart from Cavill, I really dislike the casting thus far.
Femmeworth
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Hardly the worst things he has done.
I still think that they're filming the two back to back. it makes much more sense to do it that way. BvS 2016, Justice League 2017, then 2018 will be the start of solo movies.
As for all the other characters that are going to be in BvS like Cyborg, I bet its right at the end. They're going to end the movie with a cliffhanger and Batman or Superman will say we need help and it will be a montage showing the other heroes real quick. They run the risk of BvS sucking if they overload the film with all these characters.
As for all the other characters that are going to be in BvS like Cyborg, I bet its right at the end. They're going to end the movie with a cliffhanger and Batman or Superman will say we need help and it will be a montage showing the other heroes real quick. They run the risk of BvS sucking if they overload the film with all these characters.
Parallax
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The 100 bullets tv show should already exist. I cant stress that enough.
Unspeakable Evil
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Guess that rumor of BvS and Justice League filming back to back might be true after all.
Femmeworth
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And Snyder/Goyer didn't even do a great job at balancing multiple characters in Man of Steel. :\
Bobby Roberts
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"Non-Nerd?" C'mon now, man.
You're not "right." You have an opinion based on a perception of what the audience will be mindboggled by, and you think the prospective audience for a superhero movie starring Superman and Batman will be nothing but a vast field of question marks when the title "World's Finest" comes up on the screen. It was the same opinion that popped up when people heard that a Batman movie wasn't going to have Batman in the title, and that a Superman movie wouldn't have his name in the title either.
I mean, yeah, you can wiki up that factoid about the World's Finest magazine, and then move forward assuming that nothing changed from that point, that the Superman/Batman stories that continued in that magazine didn't make any sort of impression, that a tradition didn't spin out of that, that people didn't continue to call such a team up "World's Finest" throughout the decades, that most people who first SAW the two team up onscreen saw it in the animated series, in a 3-part movie called... World's Finest
There's a history behind the name that isn't worthless or obscure, and isn't the obstacle you claim it is.
But then again, nobody ever went broke underestimating the lack of credit executives give to the general public. So I take my previous assessment that you're a bad mogul back. Because that's incorrect. Assuming an audience would be too confused to buy a ticket to the movie with Batman and Superman in it after the hundreds of millions in advertising deals that will be cut plastering the Batman and Superman logos all over everything, JUST because the movie is called "World's Finest?" That is definitely something a good mogul might say
That would probably be the screenplay for Alien Resurrection
DrForester
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Not really. While certainly Batman and Superman are two of the most well known of all superheroes to the public at large, the rest of the crew, certainly not as much.
x Power Pad Death Stomp x
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Are they really not going to have Oliver Queen from Arrow in this? Lamesauce
As long as Batman is in it, people will go see it. Doesn't even matter if the movie is any good. There's a lot of evidence to support this.
I liked Man of Steel for what it was. I hate Superman though. I think hes a boring character and never got into a "rock" being his weakness. MoS made me like him.
I have faith in Snyder bc Watchman is sick and he did a good job balancing the characters in that movie. Justice League and BvS are going to be better bc they got Terrio writing bc of Affleck. Affleck is going to help shape these films going forward. I trust him.
Zeus Molecules
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yep Cyborg showing up was the last straw.... I guess they gave it a false name in order to reveal the real name later as a publicity stunt to keep people talking about the film? Either that or they are incompetent.... its hard to tell with WB
For example why not copy the method of Marvel introducing one character at a time and building them up (and not risking other characters in case of a shitstorm like GL)
If this movie flops (or just doesn't kill in the box office) all of DC's major character properties will share that hit.... I would say they should create a new animated cartoon to support it.... but DC seems confused on that front as well.
Bobby Roberts
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Nah, it probably won't.
But every now and again, a man gotta have a relatively minor thing to zero in on and inflate to disproportionate levels.
shira
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but they got married IRL
Day fucking one. I liked MoS, looking forward to World's Finest or whatever it's going to be called.
I honesty don't get the weird hate surrounding MoS, I'd rather watch MoS ten times in a row than watch Captain America 1 even once.
Also, unlike the Avengers, the Justice League doesn't need their own introductory movies because people already know them. They may not know much, but they most certainly know. There's a reason that even before the Marvel movies got big you mostly saw merchandise featuring the heroes from the JL. Hopefully they do find some way to work the Arrowverse into it though, the guy they got to play Barry is pretty damn great.
I honesty don't get the weird hate surrounding MoS, I'd rather watch MoS ten times in a row than watch Captain America 1 even once.
Also, unlike the Avengers, the Justice League doesn't need their own introductory movies because people already know them. They may not know much, but they most certainly know. There's a reason that even before the Marvel movies got big you mostly saw merchandise featuring the heroes from the JL. Hopefully they do find some way to work the Arrowverse into it though, the guy they got to play Barry is pretty damn great.
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