Was that Kanye West thing the best thing to happen to Taylor Swift or what?

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Slizz said:
She has cornered the TWO best music markets, or should I say most profitable. She is a hybrid, half-country half-pop similar to Miley Cyrus but she actually writes her own music(and isn't as over-exposed). I think the Kanye thing exposed her to the people like you a little more, but I feel she was already well known. Hence why she won the award over Beyonce.
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:lol

Yeah, that's not true. Her stuff is solid pop fodder and all, but she writes her music just as much as Miley does.
 
jonnybryce said:
All of these things have been planned (her appearances). She was a superstar before Kanye. Sure, the hype and publicity helps but it's the not the reason she's on talk shows or SNL.

She was already largely known by anyone who listens to the radio or watches tv. She ruled country and infiltrated the Top 40 mainstream stations with a handful of hits. She was already made before this.
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Fidelis Hodie said:
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Yeah, that's not true. Her stuff is solid pop fodder and all, but she writes her music just as much as Miley does.
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I know it's cool to put down any young starlet that is overexposed on MTV and Radio, but what proof do you have that she doesn't have some creative input in her music writing?
 
and before you say "Her name is listed under writing credits" if a person adds one word to a song they're given that title.

*Not saying she doesn't have creative input. Now that shes won an award I'm sure she'll be given more creative license than before*
 
Medalion said:
I know it's cool to put down any young starlet that is overexposed on MTV and Radio, but what proof do you have that she doesn't have some creative input in her music writing?
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She wrote a good half of her latest album by herself including a couple of her hits and she's co-written every track she's released.

She's got some songwriting talent for sure... she would have never made it in Nashville without it because she doesn't have a super-amazing voice or anything.
 
my wife likes country so yeah, I had heard of her before. She had some mainstream crossover appeal before the whole Kanye thing, and she had some mainstream gossip because she dated one of the Jonas brothers and they had a bad break up or something. I'm rather tired of her and she was pretty ubiquitous on CMT before the Kanye thing. She writes her own songs so I guess that counts for something but modern country sucks and is barely discernable from typical pop music.
 
Fidelis Hodie said:
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Yeah, that's not true. Her stuff is solid pop fodder and all, but she writes her music just as much as Miley does.
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She was signed as a songwriter to Sony/ATV Records when she was a 14 year old eighth grader. She is listed as the sole writer on 3 of the 11 tracks on her debut album and 7 of the 13 tracks on her second album, which won Album of the Year at the Academy of Country Music Awards (which, as a sidenote, earned her 2 trophies since she co-produced it along with some fellow named Nathan Chapman).

Stabby McSter said:
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Before the VMAs this year she had two 4x Platinum albums, several #1 songs, a sold out tour which included selling out Madison Square Garden in 1 minute, and a boatload of awards. If that doesn't make some one a superstar, I don't know what does.
 
Salazar said:
They are trying to launch a solo career for the Australian girl who was 'the guitarist in the Michael Jackson film 'This is It'. It's more than a little lame.
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She's actually really good though, singing wise I don't know...but she really can play a mean guitar.
 
Salazar said:
They are trying to launch a solo career for the Australian girl who was 'the guitarist in the Michael Jackson film 'This is It'. It's more than a little lame.
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Yeah, except for the fact that she is very talented and smokin' hot.

I practically got wood when she was doing her solos in This Is It.
 
D4Danger said:
In America maybe but nobody else listens to country music.
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I had a look at her album's Wikipedia page and apparently people the world over listen to country music.

Chart (2008/2009) Peak position Certification Total sales

Australian ARIA Albums Chart[42] 2 2x Platinum[43] 140,000+[43]
Australian Country Chart[44] 1
Belgian Albums Chart (Flanders) 12 55,000
Canadian Albums Chart 1 3x Platinum[45] 240,000+[46]
Canadian Top Country Albums 1
Dutch Albums Chart[47] 43 25,000
Turkish Top Country Albums[48] 1 40,000
France Albums Top 150[47] 26
German Albums Chart 12 40,000
Greek International Albums Chart[49] 11 35,000
Irish Albums Chart 7 40,000
Oricon Albums Chart (Japan) 4 Gold 120,000
Polish Albums Chart 71 25,000
Mexican Albums Chart[50] 37 50,000
New Zealand Albums Chart 1 Platinum 15,000+[30]
Norwegian Albums Chart[47] 5 Platinum [51] 30,000+[52]
Spanish Album Chart[53] 11 15,000
U.S. Billboard 200[22] 1 4x Platinum[54] 4,140,926+[55][56]
UK Albums Chart 5 Gold[57] 200,000+[58]
Swedish Albums Chart 12
 
Fidelis Hodie said:
:lol

Yeah, that's not true. Her stuff is solid pop fodder and all, but she writes her music just as much as Miley does.
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The kind of ridiculous prejudice, without ANY foundation in truth, that makes people ignorant. Pretty blonde girl? Couldn't possibly write her own music! Sexism in practice.
Oh wait, she DOES. As said she worked as a songwriter for two years BEFORE she released anything under her own name. Where she wrote every song, as well as on her second album.

And co-produced it. If you have a hard time believing she's hands on in the production process; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9htZcNe609U#t=1m10s
 
Taylor Swift's music was already completely huge before the Kanye thing, but Kanye did a hell of a lot for her celebrity and public image.

Not to mention, it made her existence more notable in the biggest fanbases she wasn't already on top of. Now if there's a Kanye/Swift collaboration, not only will it be the biggest country/pop crossover hit of the decade meeting the biggest hip hop/alternative/pop crossover hit of the decade, it'll have crazy press. Those two would be crazy not to work together.
 
All I know is this - I hadn't the faintest idea as to who she was or what she did. After that incident, I knew exactly who she was and what she does.

I don't know if that really helps her in any way... but it is what it is.
 
She seems alright. Seems like a fad though.
 
i heard her songs on the radio quite frequently before that happened, but i guess if there are people here who didn't know her, it was probably a good thing (though i doubt it'd have been the best thing)
 
i didn't know here before the kanye accident. btw.... thread needs more pictures..

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Teh Hamburglar said:
and before you say "Her name is listed under writing credits" if a person adds one word to a song they're given that title.

*Not saying she doesn't have creative input. Now that shes won an award I'm sure she'll be given more creative license than before*
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When a person is credited as the sole writer then they have written the song, otherwise royalties would not be paid out to the correct person. And we KNOW she has, it's not a credit tagged onto the album sleeve. She doesn't need an award to get that, that's how she started out.
 
Medalion said:
I know it's cool to put down any young starlet that is overexposed on MTV and Radio, but what proof do you have that she doesn't have some creative input in her music writing?
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Took a producing class that showed her "writing her songs". She walked into a group of writers and they asked what she wanted to write today.

:lol

Not saying some of it isn't hers, but overall it's not like that.

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And you know, I'm not really hating. I much prefer her as a starlet to any of the other choices in the day and age, regardless of her spotty live vocals, it's just the notion that she's miss writer when she's really not. You think there aren't ghost writers and producers pushing her music to be exactly what they want nowadays?

As a person, she seems really sweet and honest. Any girl making it in my home town (nashvilleeeeee!) is cool.
 
Fidelis Hodie said:
Took a producing class that showed her "writing her songs". She walked into a group of writers and they asked what she wanted to write today.

:lol

Not saying some of it isn't hers, but overall it's not like that.

EDIT:

And you know, I'm not really hating. I much prefer her as a starlet to any of the other choices in the day and age, regardless of her spotty live vocals, it's just the notion that she's miss writer when she's really not. You think there aren't ghost writers and producers pushing her music to be exactly what they want nowadays?

As a person, she seems really sweet and honest. Any girl making it in my home town (nashvilleeeeee!) is cool.
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This is not true, at all, though. It's not about whether you're positive or not, I'm sure you are, but it's not true. She worked as a part of a team when hired at Sony, was that what yoou saw? After that she's written most of the songs on her own, outside of a studio environment. A few songs on her latest was co-written with Liz Rose, otherwise she was on her own. There are home recordings of her performing songs from her debut before she was ever signed to anything. There are recordings of her playing songs for the first time to the producers, and them ending up exactly like that on the album. There's studio session footage. Whatever "producer class" you took showed what, a small clip, and you generalize the whole situation based on that?
 
I didn't know anything about her before the incident but the chick was selling more albums than Kanye's last two albums combined so she obviously didn't need this extra exposure, though I'm sure she's totally fine to have more exposure.
 
I saw her on SNL and she didn't seem as interesting as the hype over her led me to believe.

She makes some good songs and she is okay looking if not quite photogenic, but I don't feel any particular fondness for her.
 
Fidelis Hodie said:
Took a producing class that showed her "writing her songs". She walked into a group of writers and they asked what she wanted to write today.

:lol

Not saying some of it isn't hers, but overall it's not like that.

EDIT:

And you know, I'm not really hating. I much prefer her as a starlet to any of the other choices in the day and age, regardless of her spotty live vocals, it's just the notion that she's miss writer when she's really not. You think there aren't ghost writers and producers pushing her music to be exactly what they want nowadays?

As a person, she seems really sweet and honest. Any girl making it in my home town (nashvilleeeeee!) is cool.
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You still haven't answered the question, how do you just pin this girl as someone who doesn't write her own songs? Because as a blonde teenage girl, they automatically = no talent?
 
This may have already been said, but I thought she was more popular than Kanye a few times over.

She does write at least some of her own songs completely (probably not all of them). It's not that hard to begin with for the musically inclined, but there's no reason for them to make that up since they credit other writers for songs she didn't write.

The main ones who lie about writing their own stuff are rappers.
 
Medalion said:
You still haven't answered the question, how do you just pin this girl as someone who doesn't write her own songs? Because as a blonde teenage girl, they automatically = no talent?
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I don't care either way about the whole "she does/doesn't write her own songs" nonsense, but I will say this.

The one song they've been overplaying on the radio lately? The "You belong with me" one? It has some of the most bland, trite and uninspired lyrics I've ever heard. If she writes her own songs, and in fact wrote that piece of trash, I don't know if defending her writing ability here is such a great idea.

The only reason Swift is marketable is because she's tall, pretty, nonthreatening, and inoffensive.

I mean, if she weren't a tall, waify, pretty blonde teenager and was instead, say, a short, chubby, goth-y, pierced freak...that song sure as hell wouldn't be getting the same kind of airtime. Especially when you'd realize the lyrics of "You belong with me" wouldn't even have to change for her to go from bubble-pop to just-one-mistake-away-from-cutting-yourself.
 
She was getting radio play before Kanye.

I think the extra exposure helped people match a name with a face. Seems like she's now being positioned as a Faith Hill/ Shania Twain type now.
 
The Blue Jihad said:
I don't care either way about the whole "she does/doesn't write her own songs" nonsense, but I will say this.

The one song they've been overplaying on the radio lately? The "You belong with me" one? It has some of the most bland, trite and uninspired lyrics I've ever heard. If she writes her own songs, and in fact wrote that piece of trash, I don't know if defending her writing ability here is such a great idea.

The only reason Swift is marketable is because she's tall, pretty, nonthreatening, and inoffensive.

I mean, if she weren't a tall, waify, pretty blonde teenager and was instead, say, a short, chubby, goth-y, pierced freak...that song sure as hell wouldn't be getting the same kind of airtime. Especially when you'd realize the lyrics of "You belong with me" wouldn't even have to change for her to go from bubble-pop to just-one-mistake-away-from-cutting-yourself.
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You weren't attacking her authenticity to write her own songs, now you think the songs themselves are trite if you believe she wrote them and you don't like her because she represents a music market you don't identify with.
 
I actually am not a fan of Taylor Swift.

Her teenage-angst songs are supporting the stereotype what women should be like: clingy and very wishful.

It annoys me when I hear her sing Love Story (alliterations don't make sense) and You Belong With Me (do something about it you stupid girl and stop being wishful. Just shut up already.)
 
claviertekky said:
I actually am not a fan of Taylor Swift.

Her teenage-angst songs are supporting the stereotype what women should be like: clingy and very wishful.

It annoys me when I hear her sing Love Story (alliterations don't make sense) and You Belong With Me (do something about it you stupid girl and stop being wishful. Just shut up already.)
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Maybe you should listen to more than 2 songs of hers. Picture to Burn and Should've Said No are 2 great kiss off songs and her current single Fifteen is a wonderful song using her experiences to give advice to younger girls.
 
She was a star before..the incident broke her into the upper crust of celebrity.

3 Songs in the Top 20...she's probably in the Top 3 female artists right now (Beyonce/Gaga).
 
Medalion said:
You weren't attacking her authenticity to write her own songs, now you think the songs themselves are trite if you believe she wrote them and you don't like her because she represents a music market you don't identify with.
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No I'm saying the writing sucks. If it's her writing, it sucks. If it isn't her writing, it sucks.

You're not trying to defend her authenticity. You're trying to defend lousy writing.
 
SolidSnakex said:
As Slizz pointed out, the best thing to happen to her was bridging the gap between country and pop music. So she's now one of the biggest artists in the US. Kanye might've made her well known to people that somehow manage to ignore mainstream music entirely, but she was still very well known before that.
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Not to diss Taylor herself, but this would really mean crossing the bridge that Shania Twain and a few others built years ago.
 
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