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[Prospero]

It looks like a puppet show NOW. Sorry, but the digital doubles fucking suck in SM2. You can easily tell when they go all CG, they look and move as if they were made of rubber. This shit in films needs to STOP.

The CG in Spiderman 2 was at least slightly improved over Spiderman 1 (though I still agree that it's not at all "convincing"). In both films, though, the CG Spidey often behaves as if he weighs about ten pounds--that's what's unconvincing, more so than the rubberiness of his movement. (One thing I like about the Treyarch videogames, by comparison, is than in them Spidey actually seems to have the weight of a full-grown adult.)

 

[karasu]

I thought the CG was fine. Spiderman is suppossed to move oddly, not like a normal man. They translated his fighting style to film perfectly IMO. None of that upright mess they used in the first movie. Plus the final shot of Doc OCk is probably the best CG human model ever.

 

[Dujour]

Is that what they think is bad CG? Yeah, he's supposed to move fast. That's usually the first thing they comment on whenever characters fight him in the comics. They got all the classic poses right and didn't betray the character.

 

[LakeEarth]

The CG in Spiderman 2 was at least slightly improved over Spiderman 1 (though I still agree that it's not at all "convincing"). In both films, though, the CG Spidey often behaves as if he weighs about ten pounds--that's what's unconvincing, more so than the rubberiness of his movement. (One thing I like about the Treyarch videogames, by comparison, is than in them Spidey actually seems to have the weight of a full-grown adult.)

He's supposed to move unordinarily. He's fucking Spiderman. He has agility man! AGILITY!

 

[karasu]

If you had the strength to left ten tons,a nd weighed about 160 pounds, when you jumped you wouldn't look like you weighed as much as a normal adult. :/ He's suppossed to look nearly weightless. @_@

 

[Prospero]

He's supposed to move unordinarily. He's fucking Spiderman. He has agility man! AGILITY!

I'm distinguishing between weight and agility in my statement, though. A superhuman sense of agility (which can be accounted for by the "rubberiness" of Spidey's movement, which I didn't mind--his movements look better than Blade's in Blade 2, at any rate) implies that the character has different physical abilities than other characters on screen, but is subject to the laws of physics that govern everyone. That seems consistent with the narrative rules that the film establishes. Spidey's sense of lightness and lack of inertia, however, imply that basic universal laws of physics work differently for Spidey than for anyone else on screen--that gravity itself is somehow less effective on him than it is on everyone else. Given that the world of the Spider-Man movies is fairly realistic in all other respects (compared to the comic-book world of Superman, in which people fly under their own power, e.g.) I don't think that's an impression that the filmmakers intend to give, especially since other CG doubles in the films sometimes have similar problems.

If you had the strength to left ten tons,a nd weighed about 160 pounds, when you jumped you wouldn't look like you weighed as much as a normal adult.

Having not seen this in person, this is something I will have to take your word for.

 

[Deleted member 4784]

I don't see how so many people can complain about Spiderman "behaving like he weighs about ten pounds" or "moving unnaturally." I mean, he's Spider-Man; he's supposed to have supernatural reflexes and Spidey Sense. I remember hearing the same complaints about the Hulk (being able to jump so far) and X-Men 2 (Wolverine being able to withstand Mariko's stabs in the second movie). I mean, they're called "SUPER heroes" for a reason -- they have SUPER powers. I guess that too many people are used to heroes like Batman that just use gadgets.

Seriously though, if you're too busy analyzing how "impossible" the feats of Spider-Man are or how "unrealistic" his abilities may be, then you're over-analyzing things too much. This is a super hero movie based on a comic book character; try to show a little imagination. ^^

 

[border]

Still not as cool as Mask of the Phantasm. *can of worms opened for retarded "Batman isn't a superhero" discussion*

The villains in both Spider Man films have had the same lame motivation (if you can call "insanity through experiment-gone-wrong" a motivation at all). I think I liked the first film a bit better. The second one had too much "Peter Parker has a hard life" crud and not enough "Spider Man kicking ass" stuff.

Action films where the entire middle of the film consists of "down time" are almost always frustrating. I think only Terminator 2 pulled it off with any success.

 

[suikodan]

"Are you serious? The CG in spiderman 2 is going to look like a puppet show in 10 years."

Just about ALL modern CG in movies is going to look like a puppet show in 10 years.

It's been approx. 10 years since the first Jurassic Park and I still don't think the dinos look like puppets.

Maybe it's just me.

 

[Zelda-Bitch]

Eh, I liked both Xmen Movies best. Spiderman 2 was good but a little bit of a let down. The way it was hyped I thought it would be better.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

It's been approx. 10 years since the first Jurassic Park and I still don't think the dinos look like puppets.

Maybe it's just me.

It's just you.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I liked Spider man 2, a very great superhero movie. There was just too much talking between the action sequences in the middle (When watching it again I realized there was only 3 action sequences. They were really good). Otherwise it was great.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

the cheesy subway scene was really really stupid and brought the whole movie down a notch.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

good to great acting

:lol :lol :lol :lol

It needs to be said: Tobey Macguire fuckin sucks at acting. The Misadventures of AmbivalentFace and StickWoman just tears up my guts every time I think about it. And no amount of swooping shots of Spidey jumping off buildings will make me forget that he only has one look in his entire arsenal.

 

[Shinobi]

Still not as cool as Mask of the Phantasm.

Indeed. But then nothing is.

And Kabuki's right about one thing...the nonsense on that subway train was absolutely wretched.

OH WE WON'T TELL ANYONE WHO YOU ARE SPIDERMAN, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE ALL GOT CELLPHONE CAMERAS THAT COULD SHOW THE WORLD WITHOUT YOU KNOWING WHO DID IT, CAUSE WE'RE ALL JUST NICE NEW YORKERS AND HAVE BEEN THAT WAY SINCE THE TOWERS FELL, WHEREAS BEFORE WE WERE ASSHOLES.

Blah...might be the single most annoying scene in the history of movies.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Indeed. But then nothing is.

And Kabuki's right about one thing...the nonsense on that subway train was absolutely wretched.

OH WE WON'T TELL ANYONE WHO YOU ARE SPIDERMAN, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE ALL GOT CELLPHONE CAMERAS THAT COULD SHOW THE WORLD WITHOUT YOU KNOWING WHO DID IT, CAUSE WE'RE ALL JUST NICE NEW YORKERS AND HAVE BEEN THAT WAY SINCE THE TOWERS FELL, WHEREAS BEFORE WE WERE ASSHOLES.

Blah...might be the single most annoying scene in the history of movies.

My favorite scene exactly, and the most powerful in the movie. Jaded fuckers shouldn't watch movies.

 

[etiolate]

Uhm? The first Spiderman was better than this one. Spidey 2 had too many bad lines. We were MST3King it towards the end.

 

[MoxManiac]

They did a great job with Doc Ock. I always thought he has a dork in the comics/animated series, with his bowl-cut beatles hairstyle and nerdy glasses, but the movie version seemed far better/

 

[Dujour]

You're all hating the movies for the wrong reason. Spidey's a Mets fan in the comics. It even goes with his underdog character. Sam plagued the movie with Yankee caps and happy new yorkers. I'm not jaded, just pissed.

As for Doc Ock, they put too much of the Kingpin in him. Even Wilson Fisk's weakness is his wife.

 

[border]

Dorky Bowl cut in comics > Pathetic Pot Belly in movie

 

[Dujour]

Can't stand when they really

to make villains cool in movies.

 

[Shinobi]

My favorite scene exactly, and the most powerful in the movie. Jaded fuckers shouldn't watch movies.

:lol :lol :lol It was a bullshit scene and you know it...jaded my fucking nuts. And it all stems from this fraudalent idea since 9/11 that New Yorkers are really a bunch of nice guys, which is simply a crock of shit.

 

[FightyF]

It needs to be said: Tobey Macguire fuckin sucks at acting. The Misadventures of AmbivalentFace and StickWoman just tears up my guts every time I think about it. And no amount of swooping shots of Spidey jumping off buildings will make me forget that he only has one look in his entire arsenal.

I agree that it looked really bad, but I don't know if it was the acting, or the writing/directing.

He's supposed to look/act like a goof...so maybe he's supposed to be like that?

In some scenes Mary Jane seems stoned...maybe the whole script was hinting that she was taking drugs the whole while. If that's the case, I'll watch the movie again...it'll make it far more interesting.

 

[whytemyke]

Have you seen *any* action movies before? Cos I can count dozens that shit all over Spiderman 2.

ok. Go.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

:lol :lol :lol It was a bullshit scene and you know it...jaded my fucking nuts. And it all stems from this fraudalent idea since 9/11 that New Yorkers are really a bunch of nice guys, which is simply a crock of shit.

If YOU THINK it stems from 9/11, it doesn't make it true. Watching it, I didn't feel it connected in any way to 9/11. It's completely real-life independent to me, since it's connected to the everyone-needs-a-hero speech by the aunt. No, I know what I know, and I know that I don't know that this was a bullshit scene, but thanks for trying to know what I don't know, or make me know that I know something I don't know. Whatever.

 

[Willco]

I'm just checking in to make sure some good people are still doing the Lord's work. And jotting down names for people who will surely burn in the fiery, uh, fires of hell. Carry on.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I liked Spidey 2 more then Spidey 1 for sure, but both films have their issues. I'd say the CGI got a lot better in the second film, and I didn't think the dialog was as crappy as the first.

On the other hand, I kept thinking that it was the Superman 2 story all over again at times, with the hero losing his powers and then having to get them back.

Also, how many people have now seen Spidey with his mask off? Geez, seemed like he was taking it off every few minutes this time around. Half of New York knows who he is now.

Still, it was a great super-hero film, lots of good action, and a lot of heart. I can't wait to watch it on my PSP.

 

[shantyman]

:lol

That is the dumbest looking swinging sequence right there. He's flipping around those buildings for no reason. Like it's a damn circus.

 

[Dujour]

Manhattan's his playground. He's supposed to show off. Hasn't anyone read the comics?

 

[Willco]

He is trying to troll me because I said that the spinning lightsabers sequence on 60 Minutes last night looked silly and like a "damn circus".

But he's come off as a retard, so it's all good.

 

[Jonnyboy117]

The best part of these movies is J.J.

The worst part of these movies is Mary Jane. Sorry, I know she's hot, but she's so damn generic compared to the comic character. MJ is poorly written, poorly acted, poorly directed...just a sham all around.

 

[shantyman]

He is trying to troll me because I said that the spinning lightsabers sequence on 60 Minutes last night looked silly and like a "damn circus".

But he's come off as a retard, so it's all good.

Didn't you see my "wink?"

Bad joke? Maybe. Trolling? No.

 

[Dan]

My favorite scene exactly, and the most powerful in the movie. Jaded fuckers shouldn't watch movies.

It's not about being jaded. It's about fucking consistency. These Spider-Man movies keep trying to make it seem like Peter Parker has to deal with the real world, but Raimi can't keep his shit straight and this concept only applies whenever he wants it to. That's the biggest problem with the films. They keep trying to convince us this is a real world with real responsibilities and whatnot, but then they have people act completely unrealistically and there are tons of jumps in logic and plot at every turn. Real people would sell this information in a heartbeat. Shit, we had people trying to profit off of 9/11 with memorabilia and whatnot. Selling out Spider-Man's identity is nothing. No one's going to sit there reassuring the freak that just saved their lives while feeling him up.

It's not our problem that the scene is stupid and ridiculous as hell considering how hard Raimi tries to convince us this is a real world that just so happens to have a Spider-Man and evil super villains. That's called bad filmmaking. Raimi blows. The screenwriters blow. These movies blow.

 

[Shinobi]

If YOU THINK it stems from 9/11, it doesn't make it true. Watching it, I didn't feel it connected in any way to 9/11. It's completely real-life independent to me, since it's connected to the everyone-needs-a-hero speech by the aunt. No, I know what I know, and I know that I don't know that this was a bullshit scene, but thanks for trying to know what I don't know, or make me know that I know something I don't know. Whatever.

Feel whatever you want...it was clearly meant to be an add on to the bridge scene in the first movie where the brave ole' New Yorkers talked tough, stood their ground in unison ("if you want him, you're gonna have to go through ALL of us!! Yeah!!") then somehow managed to hit Goblin in mid-air with bottles from fifty feet away. All clearly inspired by the post-9/11 New York love in that had become a staple for the next year or two after the event. I find such shit completely nauseating.

While I don't think the movies blow like Dan does, his comments on scenes such as these are on point...they're so far from being realistic or logical even in the context of the movies that it's simply laughable.

 

[number386]

It was a good movie, but there were a lot of superman 2 parallels.

 

[Dujour]

Seriously, if it was the comic, the bystandards would have been throwing things at the goblin and spidey. Maybe eventually they'd catch on, but he wasn't really liked in the beginning of his career. The movie should've at least shown that instead of putting all of the antagonism in J.Jonah Jameson. The scene might've worked if they hadn't highlighted the fact that there was a "we." I mean, tihnk about it. If the Kingpin was bear hugging spidey in the middle of a crowd, would they also scream, "Leave him alone, he's a new yorker." Kill that jazz, the goblin's as much a NYer as much as Spidey. And it doesn't mean we're not really nice, it just shows that when we have to come together and help eachother cope, we do. What sam got wrong was that he made it seem that we'd do it because he's a new yorker. It was just the right thing to do.