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We all love Nintendo

I haven't bought a Gamecube game since last xmas. I don't own an Xbox. I have bought about 6 PS2 games this year.

I also have 6 DS games and 3 PSP games.

I don't know why so many people have to "hate" or "love" Nintendo? In this thread people keep saying Nintendo can't make sleek hardware, or they don't listen to their customers. I think the N64 was sleek looking for its time, and the design still holds up today in comparison to the PS2 and the Xbox. But to me, the Gamecube was kind of a backlash at the N64 in my opinion. It looks like a console, and to me it serves as a throwback to when gaming was more simple. They sacrificed looks for ergonomics and to make things more practical for the game player. This initially turned me off to the console and most definitely worked against them this generation. But I still appreciate that they made the most affordable console that could compete with others and charge significantly less for it.

If you really look at the designs of these next gen consoles they are pretty absurd. I don't think a console and its controllers need to look like spaceships or have customizable faceplates. I'm not looking for a console to complete my multimedia "lifestyle" or anything. All I really want to do is play games and not have to spend a lot of money doing so. It sounds like a lot of people who harp on Nintendo have problems justifying their hobby by demanding Nintendo make a more sleek looking console. Get over your complex, you play games, and you're a fuckin dweeb.

Whether or not Nintendo will be successful or not this next generation is unknown. They definitely ended up making their next console look sleek, so does that mean that they are now finally "listening" to their customers? I don't want them to quit making hardware, as a lot of their creativity has gone to good use. We've been promised a new controller and interface which is a lot more than I can say for the competition which is still using mostly the same controller design that they used last generation.

Let em make games and hardware. It will atleast compliment a PS3 nicely.
 
Redbeard said:
It didn't "replace" Zelda, but it pushed forward certain aspects of the genre that I find I like and want to see more of. Very active and reactive NPCs, for example, or the ability to customize your character or to be evil.

Of course not all that stuff has a place in a Zelda game, but I'm finding that the kind of thing that Zelda or a Zelda-like game offers isn't that interesting to me anymore.

Gosh, and here I thought all Fable did was waste space on shelves where other, less mediocre games could go.

Fooled me a lot!

But anyway, yeah, Fable pretty much isn't fit to sniff Link's leather sword sheath. But different strokes!
 
Amir0x said:
Ok, I want you to be completely honest with us. Did you just read that straight out of the Nintendo marketing pamphlet?

Also, change your freakin' avatar. It's 800kb. Max avatar size is 150kb.

Really...?


It's a gimmick regardless who does it.

True, but so were videogames back in the day.

My C64 at the time says otherwise.

If that was true we would see a C64 anthology pack. Speaking blindly how many sequels have been made this generation that originaly were created on the old C64.

You are using ROB as an example of innovation?! Also there were light guns before the NES.

It sold the system back then, and was never done. Light guns came packaged with the NES.

[Insert massive fucking rolleyes here]

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I loved Nintendo the most as I played Yoshi's Island on the SNES. Then came the N64, and my love simply faded away due to crazy insane cartridge prices here in Europe, massive droughts of games and I didn't really like Mario 64 or OoT. Yes I know there must be something wrong with me, but the tedium of star collecting and the water dungeon...I'm an impatient gamer, what can I say. I dont like fetch quests and laborious gameplay.

I guess somewhere in my black heart I'd like to love Nintendo again, but...they just make it so hard!

koam said:
- First console with online play (Famicom)
- Also, the NES was the home of Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Contra, Megaman, Rygar, Ninja Gaiden and most of those big name games that you now find on the Xbox and PS2. What games still exist that originated on the C64.. hmm.. yeah..

This is the second time I have seen the 'Nintendo Invented Online Gaming 2 Decades Ago!' argument, and it...well....its just pure wow. I mean was there a Nintendo Spin (aha, i just realised that Revolution is a term for Spin....thats.....so perfect) pamphlet issued recently with "NINTENDO INVENTED ONLINE GAMING!"
 
Luckett_X said:
I didn't really like Mario 64 or OoT. Yes I know there must be something wrong with me, but the tedium of star collecting and the water dungeon...I'm an impatient gamer, what can I say. I dont like fetch quests and laborious gameplay.
Do you use medication?
 
If by medication you mean better games that I enjoy playing over something that is a chore to struggle through, then....yes. I am heavily medicated.
 
Spazbiohaz said:
True, but so were videogames back in the day.

But they are now. Portable connectivity will never be nothing more than a gimmick.

If that was true we would see a C64 anthology pack. Speaking blindly how many sequels have been made this generation that originaly were created on the old C64.

So an old system is only good if it gets an anthology pack? :lol I'm sure there is a few for PC plus there is that system in a joystick. There isn't many sequels that made it to this generation, the c64 relied more on original games than rehasing tired old franchies. Although it did have plenty of that too (had ports of all the big arcade games and even console games). Gaming was very much alive and well (and innovative!) before the NES.

It sold the system back then, and was never done. Light guns came packaged with the NES.

What was never done? It wasn't innovative period.
 
i like their games but i dont love nintendo. if i loved them, i would have kept the DS and my cube wouldnt gather dust from time to time
 
Pimpbaa said:
So an old system is only good if it gets an anthology pack? I'm sure there is a few for PC plus there is that system in a joystick. There isn't many sequels that made this generation, the c64 relied more on original games than rehasing tired old franchies. Although it did have plenty of that too (had ports of all the big arcade games and even console games). Gaming was very much alive and well (and innovative!) before the NES.

A anthology pack only symbolizes a Mass consumer need to play something that is no longer around because they miss it. I guess the need is not there.

That system died early and that is why there is no sequels, not because they created original titles as a company. NES had all original titles, but the company that made them continued living to create new versions of there old titles. Correct me if I'm wrong would you not play a sequel to one of your beloved C64 games, if they were still making them?

What was never done? It wasn't innovative period.

Playing with AI sitting next to you. What was not a innovative period.
 
koam said:
Hey Jackass who comes in here here solemny to troll, you do know that Nintendo invented:
- Rumble
- Digital pad
- Analog stick
- Non-infrared wireless controllers (a.k.a wireless controllers that don't suck)
- The DS
- First console with online play (Famicom)
- Also, the NES was the home of Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Contra, Megaman, Rygar, Ninja Gaiden and most of those big name games that you now find on the Xbox and PS2. What games still exist that originated on the C64.. hmm.. yeah..


And cel-shading!
 
I love me some No-friendo. Super Metroid ensures ever-lasting adulation. That and LTTP. Nothing has topped those 2 yet, imo. I never hate their massive game droughts since my backlog's throught the roof anyway. I love them for being the only damn console maker from my youth left. And I love them for not bothering with the dick-measuring contests MS and Sony are currently engaged in. It's different though since I'm multi-console; I don't really miss out on anything. But still, you gotta love No-friendo. The original divas. Pop-culture icons. Sony's secret idol, inspiration, aspiration. Love 'em. :)
 
I have no pretense to love or hate Nintendo, personally I think they've been on a downward trend for the last 10 years. Pikmins were great, Zeldas were great, but it's the other stuff, the Mario Karts and the Mario Golfs and the Mario Parties which make up the majority of Nintendo's yearly releases yet they're all completely mediocre. While I prefer they stay with simpler games in a cartoonish style, they need to start doing them with a little more... I dunno. Zest. Energy. I want to like all those Mario Golf/Kart/Tennis/etc. games, they're just flat.
 
bob_arctor said:
I love me some No-friendo. Super Metroid ensures ever-lasting adulation. That and LTTP. Nothing has topped those 2 yet, imo. I never hate their massive game droughts since my backlog's throught the roof anyway. I love them for being the only damn console maker from my youth left. And I love them for not bothering with the dick-measuring contests MS and Sony are currently engaged in. It's different though since I'm multi-console; I don't really miss out on anything. But still, you gotta love No-friendo. The original divas. Pop-culture icons. Sony's secret idol, inspiration, aspiration. Love 'em. :)


this is good shit. too bad more thoughts weren't like this.
 
Luckett_X said:
If by medication you mean better games that I enjoy playing over something that is a chore to struggle through, then....yes. I am heavily medicated.
Super Mario 64 and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time are games that are a chore to struggle through? Um. Ok.
 
Wyzdom said:
N64 - yak
Gamecube - yak
Mario Sunshine - yak
Wind Waker - yak
F-Zero GX - yak
Starfox Assault - yak


This is enough to remove anything that can sound like "believing".
Next Zelda better be perfect.
Don't forget:

All DK-based GC games: yak
Metroid Prime: yak
Nintendo DS: yak
 
koam said:
Hey Jackass who comes in here here solemny to troll, you do know that Nintendo invented:
- Rumble
- Digital pad
- Analog stick
- Non-infrared wireless controllers (a.k.a wireless controllers that don't suck)
- The DS
- First console with online play (Famicom)
- Also, the NES was the home of Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Contra, Megaman, Rygar, Ninja Gaiden and most of those big name games that you now find on the Xbox and PS2. What games still exist that originated on the C64.. hmm.. yeah..
+ I think you mean "solely" and not "solemny," which is not a word.
+ The invention of the digital pad was not made by Nintendo
+ Nor the analog stick
+ Nor non-infrared wireless controllers
+ The famicom was the first system to have online play, but where has Nintendo's commitment to online play been lately?
+ Yes, I do know that Nintendo invented the DS. Incisive observation, to be sure.
+ Nintendo does not deserve credit for Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy X, Ninja Gaiden Xbox, or any of the other intellectual property that other people created this gen simply because 20 years ago, they released games on the NES.
 
TheJollyCorner said:
I miss the days when I thought it was called Intendo.

:lol I used to think it was "Mintendo".

I love Nintendo. Its games are still the best out there and the brand has a Disney-esque royal quality and feel to it. The company and its games are a part of my life and they will always be with me.

Besides, there's just no other feeling in the videogame world that matches starting up a new Zelda or Mario game for the first time.
 
I feel sorry for anyone that can't play and love Nintendo games. Even when they have flaws they're by far and away some of the best games out there.

It's piteous that some people here might not have played Metroid Prime, Metroid Fusion or Metroid Zero Mission yet. I'd say it's within everyone's capability to like one of those games. If not one of those, then perhaps an older Metroid Game. Metroid for me, is proof that Nintendo are still masters of their art. I played through the GBA games very recently and was blown away by how fun and expansive 2d gaming can still be. They have really fleshed out the story in terms of Samus' origins, the dychotomy of the Federation Vs Space Pirates, with the Metroid and Phazon menaces languishing in the background at all times. I just feel that MP is this generation's Ocarina of Time in that regard. Twilight Princess can't hope to have the same impact on me.


People who won't try Nintendo

I don't even know what to feel for people that may have overlooked games like Wind Waker, Minish Cap, Super Mario Sunshine or Luigi's Mansion just because of how they looked. I hold a great amount of disdain for anyone that superficial. If you can't appreciate that a game can look like pretty much anything and still be fantastic if the interactive element is good enough, then you don't understand the genius of interactive entertainment yet.

Anyone so image concious that they wouldn't give something like Donkey Konga or Jungle Beat a try thanks to the goofy plastic bongos... reassess the situation! You might like it! It goes without saying, if these people are holding out on trying EyeToy, Singstar, DDR <or any other number of peripheral games on other systems> for similar reasons? Then wow, that sucks. It just sucks all the more if its a manufacturer bias.

Basically, it's all well and good for someone to try Nintendo games and come to the conclusion they don't like them. Maybe one or two people would be so inclined as to be put off for life. For those people, you could see why they wouldn't value the Nintendo hardware too much either. But people who don't even try or want to? They'll never know the full breadth of the videogame world.


What Nintendo do best

They make great iconic characters. Sonic is kind of a combination of Felix the Cat and Mickey Mouse, with his own super-fast/spikey charm and appeal... it's hard for me to put my finger on whats so brilliant about Mario, but he clearly is! Nintendo has never, to my knowledge at least, been guilty of taking a protagonist character, and making him/her into a characterless, generic monster of a design. They don't seem to have found it incumbent upon themselves to give their creations big guns and supposedly "cool" battle armour. Nothing so vacant... when I think of the anti-thesis to a Nintendo game, I think of games that do have those designs. And games that rely on wowing gamers with retarded over-egged camera work, slow motion, or licensed nu-metal music. On an aesthetic level, Nintendo provide important contrast to that bullshit - they make characters and series' on par with Disney in their finest hour. Worlds of vibrant colours and smiles, threatened by darkness and inhabited by coherent, accessible and instantly recognisable heroes & villains. It's that putty-like simplicity, the suggestion they use and your own imagination that makes it so powerful and memorable -- it can be whatever you want it to be. Even the darker or more realistic titles published by Nintendo, of which there are few, hold many of these traits.

More than the aesthetic charm Nintendo seem able to exude in their products, their games are more often than not:-- a whole shit tonne of fun. It hasn't worked so well for them with regards the Gamecube, but they build hardware around their own vision of software, not somebody elses. To that end, their games play incredibly well with the interfaces they create, and if a developer builds a game with their pads in mind too? Same effect: GoldenEye and Mario 64 being prime examples. Luigi's Mansion or Rogue Squadron II are good Gamecube candidates. I personally really love the learning curve in Nintendo first party games. There is always an element of introduction or a specific time in the gameplay for you to master certain skills needed in the challenges ahead. The levels/areas are then built to specifically exploit that, and your mind has to figure out which strategy would be best employed: at some point you just realise you're not being held by the hand anymore, and the teacher is asking the class exactly what they have learned. If you can get into it, their games are totally fun to learn, and satisfying to master. Nintendo games are hardly built into a mould either.... If you can break out of the dual-analog FPS standard you may have adapted to, Retro's Metroid Prime will seem like an epiphany -- you'll see it can be done differently! When you first get into a battle in a 3d Zelda game, lock on from target to target, and flip/leap/swing-your-sword all over the place, you'd be hard pressed not to love it. The precision jumping needed in a Mario game is as good as any, and if you can get into his more acrobatic style in the newer 3d games - you'll find yourself not even completing levels and just jumping around for fun. This is before I even think about how intuitive and flexible their camera systems tend to be.

They do what they do really well.
Even the Gamecube hardware, which wins little praise, is a tremendous feat of efficiency courtesy of Nintendo and their partners... they even do the hardware well.

What they don't do so well is getting every possible game coming to their system. Especially in the west. It's improved three-fold over Nintendo 64, but Microsoft and Sony had them beat this generation. With exclusives, with the graphics of some games, with the online elements of some games. Even if Nintendo repeated these mistakes again (and we know they haven't in one or all respects), I'd still buy a Nintendo system next generation.

So the thread title is right when it comes to me at least. I gotta whole lotta love for Nintendo. They provide a whole lotta fun.
 
koam said:
Hey Jackass who comes in here here solemny to troll, you do know that Nintendo invented:
- Rumble
- Digital pad
- Analog stick
- Non-infrared wireless controllers (a.k.a wireless controllers that don't suck)
- The DS
- First console with online play (Famicom)
- Also, the NES was the home of Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Contra, Megaman, Rygar, Ninja Gaiden and most of those big name games that you now find on the Xbox and PS2. What games still exist that originated on the C64.. hmm.. yeah..


Well this might be bait, but here's a resoned response:

- Rumble? yes.
- Digital Pad? Yes, but it was a step backwards from standard joysticks.
- Analog stick? Not even close. Atari 5200 and Vectrex shipped with analog sticks standard.
- Non infrared wireless? Dunno.
- First console with online play? Sure, but they didn't invent the online play. They just happened to be the beneficiary.
- Your games list? Stinks. Some good, some bad, too many good ones overlooked, and none of them due to Nintendo.

Given that those NES franchises are still going, I guess you coudl say Nintendo pioneered the formulaic production of sequels and milking of franchise characters! :lol
 
Just look at every tiny little revolution tid-bit. guaranteed 50+ replies, even when its just regurgitating the same old thing day in, day out.
I see it as being the same 50 people everyday :lol
 
koam said:
Hey Jackass who comes in here here solemny to troll, you do know that Nintendo invented:
- Rumble
- Digital pad
- Analog stick
- Non-infrared wireless controllers (a.k.a wireless controllers that don't suck)
- The DS
- First console with online play (Famicom)
- Also, the NES was the home of Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Contra, Megaman, Rygar, Ninja Gaiden and most of those big name games that you now find on the Xbox and PS2. What games still exist that originated on the C64.. hmm.. yeah..

:lol oh snap.
 
mrklaw said:
I think we do.

Just look at every tiny little revolution tid-bit. guaranteed 50+ replies, even when its just regurgitating the same old thing day in, day out.

Even the people that rag on them are only doing so out of hard love, secretly longing for them to deliver the wonderful experiences they remember from their younger days.

I hope Nintendo really deliver with Revolution, so this place can be a warm, happy place full of joy.

Speak for yourself bro..i like nintendo..grew up with nintendo but i do not love nintendo..especially anymore..maybe once before but they are no longer the Nintendo i grew to love once apon a time.
 
No. I don't love Nintendo. I am really fond of Zelda though^^

Nintendo houses some of the most creative minds in the industry, no doubt. But lately my personal tastes do no really match their corprate 'vision' of how games should be. I will still buy their shit to play that rare gem of a game that comes out every 2-3 years, but the honymoon was over in the 80's.

All of this Nintendo is the best crap is nostalgia mixed with envy of consoles with an actual release schedule.

Love Nintendo? Fucking stupid. I can understand loving a game or a game creator for his work. Nintendo is a corporation. All they do is take your money. If they where not around someone else would be there to take it from you.
 
I used to love Nintendo. RELIGIOUSLY. But now, I love them in the way that a concerned mother feels for her son that seems to be doing drugs or something.

This love began to wane when the GC was introduced. Disappointment, after disappointment. Stupid looking console with a fruity color, and several franchises distorted, while others were just forgotten.

Some of you may complain that you don't like Nintendo cause of lack of third party support. I, however don't give a flying fuck about third parties on a Nintendo console. I don't mean that I hate third party games, but rather, if a third party developer doesn't put one of their games on a Nintendo system, guess what? They'll put it on Sony's or MS's, and I can buy one of their systems if I want to play them. When I judge Nintendo, I do so on how they've been doing as a DEVELOPER. So they used cartridges and lost all their 'friends'. Big fucking whoop. They made up for it by creating some of the greatest games in existence that kick the shit out of nearly everything else to this day. And that's why I've been disappointed with them this generation. They've fucked around too much. They wanted to be remembered for doing something amazing and as a result, we got a backback(Miyamoto SERIOUSLY thought other people were gonna steal this idea, I ain't lyin) and a deformed looking powerpuff elf. Great job, Nintendo.

However, they're slowly but surely fixing their mistakes with Zelda: TP, and hopefully with Mario 128 (or 256, whatever the hell you want to call it). Once they get their act together, I will welcome them with open arms and take them out to dinner, followed by a romantic evening under the stars. DON'T BREAK MY HEART AGAIN, NINTENDO!
 
I wish Nintendo all the best and I love their games -- up until the Gamecube. Come GC, they shat on every franchise they had that I liked and put forth weaksauce stuff that I had no interest in whatsoever.

They were lucky enough in the 80s to own 94% of the console market. I don't think they know how to compete, though. Sega, Microsoft, and Sony took huge chunks out of their market share every time. I don't think that as a platform-provider they are long for this world. I hope that when the inevitable switch to 3rd-party comes, they fare better than Sega with their IP.

I'm frustrated with N for forcing me to buy a new hardware platform that they won't properly invest in. I haven't played a Gamecube game in 8 months -- the last time I turned on my GC was to use the Game Boy Player and play Minish Cap -- a Zelda game that Nintendo didn't even make. That should tell you everything you need to know about a) how wonderful their IP can be, b) how flawed their hardware performance has been, and c) how flawed their software execution has abeen.

I have little to no interest in the Revolution, and will hold out until the first Zelda game ships.
 
terrene said:
Also: They are too fun to mock. They should do something about that.

like what? hire the yakuza to break your kneecaps if you make fun of them?

...actually that would rock. They would get back +10 respect in my book if they did that :lol
 
Flo_Evans said:
like what? hire the yakuza to break your kneecaps if you make fun of them?

...actually that would rock. They would get back +10 respect in my book if they did that :lol
lol

Well, to be serious there are things they could do:

1) Accept the fact that they are competing with Microsoft and Sony and try to capture the same demographic.

2) Not be afraid to challenge their players with complexity.

Right now they're in "keep it simple" kiddie-land and it's getting really old.
 
The DS has rekindled my love for Nintendo in a big way. The software line up for us guys here in Japan kicks everything else in the balls at the moment.
 
On Commodore 64:

Spazbiohaz said:
That system died early and that is why there is no sequels, not because they created original titles as a company.

Wow, look at the Nintendo fan talk about something he clearly knows nothing about! Yes, the system that was in production for 10 years and is the single best-selling computer of all time DIED EARLY.
 
I love Nintendo but not like I did when I was younger. I smile when I hear Reggie, Miyamoto, or Iwata talk about the future of Nintendo or upcoming games. But I can not stick with Nintendo like I use to during the N64 vs PS1 era. When I bought my PS2 and played Metal Gear Solid 2, realized I am missing out on really good games out there.
 
Bishman said:
I love Nintendo but not like I did when I was younger. I smile when I hear Reggie, Miyamoto, or Iwata talk about the future of Nintendo or upcoming games. But I can not stick with Nintendo like I use during the N64 vs PS1 era. When I bought my PS2 and played Metal Gear Solid 2, realized I am missing out on really good games out there.

Same thing happened to me, but the game that did it was GTA3 and Gran Turismo 3
 
All I really want to do is play games and not have to spend a lot of money doing so

Then wait for a price drop. By waiting 2-3 years, you can get a system for cheaper and get the bargain bin prices for games. I can tell you right now that I won't be paying $60 for a game. Gaming is just a hobby to me and they can kiss my ass if they think that I will pay out the ass for the same shit. Even with different shit, its still not acceptable.

i would have kept the DS and my cube wouldnt gather dust from time to time

I think there is plenty for the GC, especially if you get a Freeloader. Playing an updated Adventure Island was pretty fun. The DS just does nothing for me; I'd rather have compromised PS2 ports on the PSP than some of the lackluster titles coming to DS. Playing "teh quirky" doesn't mean its automatically good.
 
Nintendo gets the most respect from me since, well, I grew up with them. I'm sure Microsoft and Sony both have good games under their helm (Although, I feel the XBox will do well as a second system) since Sony, I feel, pull off sleazier tactics with their marketing, lie to their consumers, and have a track record of broken systems.

I mean, XBox has DDR, MGS2 (Where the GCN has MGS1, ONOES) and a good deal of games not hitting the GCN system (Which makes me pissed) like Street Fighter Anniversary Collection and such. (Which destroys my GCN from being the all purpose gaming machine it should be! Arghs!)

My second company used to be Sega, I always bought their systems when they came out (If I could) But since Sega games started to appear on the GCN and GBA, they should be like, this big fucking Juggernaught system or something. But Sega fails to realize this WHY? The once two rival companies continue to go their own ways, and Sega is dying, so whose the real sucker? =P

Still, I feel Nintendo hasnt stuck to their 'innovation' factor well enough. It sounds like they're trying to hit that stride with the Revolution. They havent really made anything creative like say, Duck Hunt until DK Jungle Beat came around.

Still, I'm a Nintendo guy, I agree that their level of games have waned this generation, I've never blamed them for delaying a game, though, I know why you guys would though, with your gigantic video game collections =P

I'm already excited with what little info we got on the Revolution (The 'backward compatibility' that is) since my GCN and GBA collection garner around 200 titles already, it'd just get even bigger.
 
Also, the NES was the home of Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Contra, Megaman, Rygar, Ninja Gaiden and most of those big name games that you now find on the Xbox and PS2.

contra, rygar, and ninja gaiden were arcade games before they were nes games. metal gear started on msx, and never quite made it to the nes intact. fyi. i hope someone has already pointed this out. but i'm not about to read this thread.
 
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