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[OminoMichelin]

If you're invoking your shortcode in a WordPress template file, even if it's in a region of HTML and not PHP, use do_shortcode() function:

<?php echo do_shortcode("[name_of_shortcode_here]"); ?>

https://developer.wordpress.org/reference/functions/do_shortcode/

If you're invoking your shortcode within another shortcode or within the same shortcode WordPress has trouble rendering that. This makes creating embeddable-shortcodes (e.g., like an accordion within an accordion, or maybe in your case, a grid within a grid) difficult.

Otherwise at least how your function is written looks fine. If the option above still doesn't work, try declaring your variable as a string first. You can try changing your $output line to two lines and do:

$output ='';
$output .= '<a class= "il-bando" href="'.the_permalink().'"><div class="grid-item"><span class="span">'.the_title().'</span></div></a>';

That shouldn't change anything, but who knows.

One small HTML point is wrapping your <div> in an <a>. You can do this with HTML5 and it's been common practice for many years now, but you can't with HTML4/transitional and older. That could contribute to your issue if your doctype is set as anything other than HTML5, but I don't think that problem would manifest itself in the way you're describing.

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My case is actually a grid within an accordion :/. I'll experiment some more, I really want this to work, one way or another.

EDIT: to clarify, it doesn't work even without nesting the shortcodes.

EDIT part too: Ok so, I'm using siteorigin widget to compose the pages. I figured it might lead to problems with this particular endeavour, so I tried to disable it, just for one page. As a result, it still prints all the links and titles one after another, without formatting, AND it also prints the queried posts, which is beyond me as to why it's doing that.
Fun times.

 

[Somnid]

AYe... I've pretty much abandoned angular when working with new projects. Just not impressed with how complex Angular 2 is to do things that I've found can be radically simplified with React. While React and Angular are not the same, libraries versus frameworks and all, I was using Angular like how I'm using React now, and I'm preferring React for simplicity and a higher data integrity (for me).

I've only done a little bit of React on the side and I agree. It's way simpler and lightweight (I could do without JSX but it's still a lot less to worry about). I could probably have converted the application to React faster than I could have Angular 2. Typescript is nice enough but I don't feel I really got a whole lot for using it and in many cases I may not want to use it because it's a whole bunch of stuff for other devs to learn but good luck using angular 2 without it.

 

[grmlin]

People who liked Angular 1 should look into vue.js. https://vuejs.org

I never used it but hear nothing but good stories about it.

 

[Lister]

I have to give React a try soon, but I'm finding Angular 2 a MUCH more natural approach to the front end than ng1 and right up my alley what with my .net C# background. It's nice to have a complete toolset out of the box, vs cobbling one up together piecemeal.

Now rxjs and redux with angular 2 has definitely been a challenge. But I'm coping.

 

[Kalnos]

People who liked Angular 1 should look into vue.js. https://vuejs.org

I never used it but hear nothing but good stories about it.

It's super easy to setup in comparison to Angular 2 and takes a lot of things that people like about React (1 way flow, components) and has an equivalent of Redux in Vuex. Lots of libraries haven't updated to 2.0 yet. I will say that it will feel familiar coming from Angular 1.

I would recommend React if you're job hunting but Vue is nice to get something up and running quick.

 

[The Albatross]

WordPress released the Theme Developers handbook: https://developer.wordpress.org/themes/

Very handy if you're starting out with developing themes.

 

[Lister]

Don't kow much about wordpress, but is the back end api based? Could you replace the entire fornt end with a React/Angular app?

 

[StopMakingSense]

Don't kow much about wordpress, but is the back end api based? Could you replace the entire fornt end with a React/Angular app?

There's plugins to add REST functionality, or you could even code your own via template files.

 

[Tathanen]

Don't kow much about wordpress, but is the back end api based? Could you replace the entire fornt end with a React/Angular app?

If you can run Node, look into KeystoneJS for that kind of CMS. It's bitchin.

 

[The Albatross]

Don't kow much about wordpress, but is the back end api based? Could you replace the entire fornt end with a React/Angular app?

Yes, there is a fully functioning REST API that you can use.

THe API ships with WordPress (Since v4.5) but you should probably use the official WP REST API v2 plugin as it has more features than that which is bundled with WP. The way WordPress features work is that they implement them as plugins first and then build it into core, so the plugin has more endpoint and custom endpoint support.

Here's the documentation:
http://v2.wp-api.org/

But, doing just what you're thinking of, the WordPress.com application is actually a React app and uses the WP Rest API to power it -- https://developer.wordpress.com/calypso/

THere's been dozens of very good tutorials on building React frontends for WordPress.

 

[Vagabundo]

I'm looking to create a simple mapping solution for my TT RPG group. So I have an old ipad and I use an ubuntu laptop when running the game. I'm going to install a light webserver on the laptop and I want to create a very simple webpage that displays an image.

In GIMP I'll have the RPG map and a layer mask that I will erase when they move to new areas of the map. Then I'll export the image to the webserver directory. I've setup GIMP with shortcuts etc but need a little help with the website code. I want the website to update the map when I update the image automatically and without safari keeping it cached.

Whats the best way.? Probably a simple bit of javascript?

 

[The Albatross]

Depending on what kind of server you're using, there are techniques for limiting browser caching. Do you know what kind of server you're setting up, like Apache, Nginx, something else?

Beyond changing some server configurations, you shouldn't really need to do much there... Assuming you're ok with hitting Refresh in the browser to get the latest version of the image.

If it's being stubborn with caching, you could write a bit of Javascript to put a "random" query string after the extension of the image in the img src. If you want to do this, I wrote a quick function for it and annotated it if you want to see how it works. I'm using jQuery because it's faster, but this could be rewritten without jQuery if that's not available to you.

 

[Vagabundo]

Depending on what kind of server you're using, there are techniques for limiting browser caching. Do you know what kind of server you're setting up, like Apache, Nginx, something else?

Beyond changing some server configurations, you shouldn't really need to do much there... Assuming you're ok with hitting Refresh in the browser to get the latest version of the image.

If it's being stubborn with caching, you could write a bit of Javascript to put a "random" query string after the extension of the image in the img src. If you want to do this, I wrote a quick function for it and annotated it if you want to see how it works. I'm using jQuery because it's faster, but this could be rewritten without jQuery if that's not available to you.

Wow thanks for that. Saves me from learning javascript - I'm a python guy really.

I was going to install lighttpd just becuase it was relatively straigtht forward. Probably best to keep it simple to start with and do a browser reload. I can always do some bash/python scripts to automate something once I see how it goes during the session.

EDIT:
My research has told me there are some server methods for pushing out notifications under HTML5, I'll have to see if the webserver above supports those for a version 2 of my amazing Mapping tool

 

[Elchele]

Hi. I'm trying to figure out what would be the easiest way to do this on html5/css

And I need them to be next to each other on desktop, and on tablet/phone to be one under the other as in the pic. I already have a way to pull the number of followers/likes.

Please help

 

[Somnid]

Hi. I'm trying to figure out what would be the easiest way to do this on html5/css

And I need them to be next to each other on desktop, and on tablet/phone to be one under the other as in the pic. I already have a way to pull the number of followers/likes.

Please help

Give the container of the banners display: flex. Set the flex-flow: row wrap. Set the flex-grow of each item to 1. Set flex-shrink to 0. Set the flex-basis to be the smallest size you want them to be before wrapping.

 

[Lister]

Yes, there is a fully functioning REST API that you can use.

THe API ships with WordPress (Since v4.5) but you should probably use the official WP REST API v2 plugin as it has more features than that which is bundled with WP. The way WordPress features work is that they implement them as plugins first and then build it into core, so the plugin has more endpoint and custom endpoint support.

Here's the documentation:
http://v2.wp-api.org/

But, doing just what you're thinking of, the WordPress.com application is actually a React app and uses the WP Rest API to power it -- https://developer.wordpress.com/calypso/

THere's been dozens of very good tutorials on building React frontends for WordPress.

This is awesome stuff. Thanks!

 

[D4Danger]

Hi. I'm trying to figure out what would be the easiest way to do this on html5/css

And I need them to be next to each other on desktop, and on tablet/phone to be one under the other as in the pic. I already have a way to pull the number of followers/likes.

Please help

Do you mean you want the containers next to each other or the content? you can do it with flexbox quite easily. You really just need to change the container from "row" to "column" when the screen is small enough.

like this? https://codepen.io/anon/pen/QdpNWd

 

[Elchele]

Give the container of the banners display: flex. Set the flex-flow: row wrap. Set the flex-grow of each item to 1. Set flex-shrink to 0. Set the flex-basis to be the smallest size you want them to be before wrapping.

Do you mean you want the containers next to each other or the content? you can do it with flexbox quite easily. You really just need to change the container from "row" to "column" when the screen is small enough.

like this? https://codepen.io/anon/pen/QdpNWd

Yes. Thank you!!!

 

[Roulette]

Random question. I host up my personal site (& email) with Google which I set up via the Google App Engine a few years back.

Since the G Suite rebrand of Google Apps, I believe you can no longer create a new account and do the same (for free) with a domain. Is this correct?


I ask because my wife has a new domain, and wanted to set it up the way I did. Anyone know whether it is possible? At the very least, I'd like to set up google email support for her domain, but I don't think I can do that unless I use my legacy Google Apps account to use her domain as a domain alias.

It's non-commercial, and she only wanted to use it for her resume.

 

[this_guy]

Random question. I host up my personal site (& email) with Google which I set up via the Google App Engine a few years back.

Since the G Suite rebrand of Google Apps, I believe you can no longer create a new account and do the same (for free) with a domain. Is this correct?


I ask because my wife has a new domain, and wanted to set it up the way I did. Anyone know whether it is possible? At the very least, I'd like to set up google email support for her domain, but I don't think I can do that unless I use my legacy Google Apps account to use her domain as a domain alias.

It's non-commercial, and she only wanted to use it for her resume.

I'm not familiar with the G Suite pricing or features, but Google does offer email hosting for custom domains as a paid service. For what your wife is wanting to do (create an email address for her domain), I'd take a look at Zoho. You can sign up for a free account which allows for one domain name. You'll need to update the MX records (Mail exchange records section for DNS records) on your domain but it's fairly easy to set up. I use Zoho for my custom domain. From there she can log in through Zoho to check emails, or if on her phone she can either use the Zoho app or set up any email client (including the Gmail app) to retrieve email using imap/pop3.

https://www.zoho.com/mail/zohomail-pricing.html

 

[grmlin]

Random question. I host up my personal site (& email) with Google which I set up via the Google App Engine a few years back.

Since the G Suite rebrand of Google Apps, I believe you can no longer create a new account and do the same (for free) with a domain. Is this correct?


I ask because my wife has a new domain, and wanted to set it up the way I did. Anyone know whether it is possible? At the very least, I'd like to set up google email support for her domain, but I don't think I can do that unless I use my legacy Google Apps account to use her domain as a domain alias.

It's non-commercial, and she only wanted to use it for her resume.

AFAIK there is no free plan anymore. Sadly. I'll keep mine as long as possible

 

[Roulette]

Thanks, guys. I did read about Zoho as an option, but had never heard of them and was unsure of their reputation. Their logo looked a bit geocities, but I'll give them a shot.

 

[StopMakingSense]

edit: nm i misread.

 

[runningjoke]

Spent a while redoing my build chain for webpack 2. It was quite a bit of effort
-Replacing all module.exports by export default
-fixing all my new eslint errors
-fixing missing imports/exports
-moved my mock api out of webpackDevServer

What did I gain? 8KB. It's a nice learning experience I guess

 

[grmlin]

Hunted a memory leak for the whole day now. I knew that a DOM node was still in memory (chrome devtools, heap snapshot, detached DOM tree). In the end, it was the fucking Youtube Iframe API that did not remove event listeners when you called the player.destroy() method, if they were added via the events option object in the constructor.

If you add them later with addEventListener they'll be removed just fine.


I almost wanted to do something like `this.player.b.c.events.... = null;`

 

[Lister]

I'm dealing with an API that spits out dataUrls for images.

What's the best way of dealing with this. plopping them into the src of images has been causing severe slow downs and I get an eventual crash of Chrome. Looking on stackoverflow I find that some browsers will not let go of those dataUrl references and will leak in a bad way. This stuff apparently doesn't show up on heap snapshots either.

 

[runningjoke]

How many images do you need to show on screen? Do you let the browser talk to the api directly or is that handled by your backend?

 

[Lister]

How many images do you need to show on screen? Do you let the browser talk to the api directly or is that handled by your backend?

I'm doing the http calls on the browser. Each entity has a thumbnail, and if details are requested I get a larger version of the file. I'm paging the collection of entities, showing about 50 at a time.

I'm using ngrx and makign sure I don't have references to either the entity from the server or the image in the DOM when the user navigates way from the detail page.

But after a few trips to the details page things slow down considerably, and inevitably the browser crashes.

 

[Somnid]

I'm dealing with an API that spits out dataUrls for images.

What's the best way of dealing with this. plopping them into the src of images has been causing severe slow downs and I get an eventual crash of Chrome. Looking on stackoverflow I find that some browsers will not let go of those dataUrl references and will leak in a bad way. This stuff apparently doesn't show up on heap snapshots either.

Could you convert them to object URLs when they come in?

 

[Lister]

Could you convert them to object URLs when they come in?

Yes! Don't know why I didn't think of that. Thanks, gonna give it a shot.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Edit: NVM got it figured out.

 

[Copons]

Is there by any chance a git pro around?

I've created a branch where I'm moving and renaming (and modifying of course) a file, like this:

from

component.jsx

to

/component
  index.jsx

Now, I did it in one commit and, when merged, I'll lose the commit history of component.jsx.

Is there a way, with some rebase magic, to make git understand that's the same file and keep its history?

 

[tuffy]

Is there a way, with some rebase magic, to make git understand that's the same file and keep its history?

git keeps track of renames automatically, whether you use "git mv" or just "git add/rm" a file around your repository - assuming you haven't changed it too much during the rename from one revision to the next. But you'll need to specify "git log --follow <file>" in order to get its whole history from before the rename.

 

[rrvv]

What is the best CMS currently?

I want to create a website that is related to medical field. it basically serve as platform where Patient and doctor can interact each other. showing progress report medication and such.Thinking using Wordpress but I wonder if there is othe ralternative

 

[Somnid]

What is the best CMS currently?

I want to create a website that is related to medical field. it basically serve as platform where Patient and doctor can interact each other. showing progress report medication and such.Thinking using Wordpress but I wonder if there is othe ralternative

That doesn't immediately strike me as a CMS project. Be careful about integrating one if you don't need it as you will pay huge maintenance costs forever if you ever want to go beyond what it does out of the box. Wordpress is the most general CMS assuming you're okay with PHP.

 

[rrvv]

That doesn't immediately strike me as a CMS project. Be careful about integrating one if you don't need it as you will pay huge maintenance costs forever if you ever want to go beyond what it does out of the box. Wordpress is the most general CMS assuming you're okay with PHP.

What is your suggestion for other alternative that fir with my project? FYI I have some experienced in creating websites from scratch using PHP and Javascript.

 

[Somnid]

What is your suggestion for other alternative that fir with my project? FYI I have some experienced in creating websites from scratch using PHP and Javascript.

I'm not familiar with an out of the box product that does that, unfortunately, but I'm sure they must exist, in fact I'd have a hard time believing someone doesn't already make this exact type of thing.

Are you going to be the sole person on this? There's a big trade off here, it'll probably take you quite some to get something up and working from scratch and production ready (not to mention the HIPAA requirements you're on the hook for) so unless you have big plans and real dev team this doesn't sound like the type of thing I'd go after unless it's some sort of learning exercise.

But anyway if you want something as quick as possible and you're mostly familiar with PHP and JS then Wordpress is your best bet. You'll be able to find something that will help you out in that ecosystem.

 

[The Albatross]

What is the best CMS currently?

I want to create a website that is related to medical field. it basically serve as platform where Patient and doctor can interact each other. showing progress report medication and such.Thinking using Wordpress but I wonder if there is othe ralternative

Like Somnid said, you're probably looking for a patient portal CRM / EHRs. There's big money in this industry and so most (or all) of them are not free.

The leading patient portal EHRs that I know about are are eClinicalWorks and Meditech, though there are dozens of others.

WordPress and no open-source CMS would be able to handle this just from a legal perspective. If you're setting this up, you're putting yourself (and the doctor's office) at risk for HIPAA violation if they're in the US, and I'm sure Europe has a similar privacy protections. Doctors offices rake in money though doctors are notoriously thrifty. If you're being asked by a doctor you know to setup this sort of system, you should recommend that they hire an EHR consultant to help them pick the right one.

 

[Daniel B·]

What the frag is up with IIS 7's handling of escaped URL parameter characters?

e.g. In the PS3 browser (a part of the WebKit family), if I use the JavaScript function encodeURIComponent to escape the following YT vid title:

Resident Evil 7 PS4/ Pro/ Xbox One/ PC Graphics Comparison + Frame-Rate Test

This would yield the following expected text, which I would append as the value of "&VideoTitle=" URL parameter:

Resident%20Evil%207%20PS4%2F%20Pro%2F%20Xbox%20One%2F%20PC%20Graphics%20Comparison%20%2B%20Frame-Rate%20Test

In previous versions of IIS my C# aspx server module would see the original (unescaped) title value, as expected, but in IIS 7 it doesn't even get to the page, and I would get a 404 error!

Why on earth is this going on, and is there ideally an easy server fix, such as a config file setting that restores the original straightforward and logical behavior?

I previously spent some time researching this for another parameter of the URL (the PS3 Bookmarklet), but in the end I threw in the towel, and ended up double escaping the parameter, but even that doesn't work for all characters...

UPDATE: Holy mother puss bucket!

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but it turns out that the "%20Xbox" portion of the escaped URL was causing the 4O4.0 error, on Microsoft's IIS 7.5 server with my PS3 bookmarklet - coincidence???

O.k. in all seriousness, I actually get the error by merely adding the following to any existing .aspx page url: ?test=%20x, which should merely define the parameter "test" with a string value of " x" (space, followed by the 'x' character - case isn't significant).

So, armed with this distillation of the issue, I felt somewhat optimistic, when I called 1&1's technical support - holy f'ing hell! The first guy I spoke to was utterly clueless, with zero knowledge on passing parameters to a web page (no, it doesn't mean it must be an issue with my script, and we offer no technical support for that)... I ended up having to insist, repeatedly, that I needed to speak to a supervisor, after he refused to escalate the case to someone with at least a redimentary understanding of dynamic web pages.

After declaring that I wanted to make formal complaint, he finally ends up escalating the case, and I get a call back in about an hour. And the tier two guy is almost as clueless, with me having a running argument with him along the lines of "Him: you must tell me the line of code where you're using the parameter... Me (practically tearing my hair out), no, the page doesn't actually use the parameter; you would get the error with any page, and it means something is seriously wrong with your Microsoft IIS server setup. I had to drop the "umpteen years experience as software engineer, advised Microsoft line (I did, actually, years ago, on issues with the Jet database engine (was (is still?) Access back end), which finally broke the impass, and he supposedly escalated case to IIS team member, although haven't heard anything yet (called, yesterday, late evening).

Anyone else encountered this, or something similar with 404 error? An escaped semicolon ';' (%3B), also causes issue, which I now double escape (whole string value) to avoid issue (becomes "%253B").

 

[Daffy Duck]

Would some of you be able to do me a favour?

Place I work at really struggles with selling things at market value for websites considering they've been going 30 years amd I want an idea of how we sit with regards costs;

There's a site that we have that's built in Wordpress at the moment and needs rewriting as it's not mobile friendly and needs a new template.

The spec is as follows:

5-6 content pages of straightforward content
A jobs section that allows schools to register and then post jobs to
Interested parties can register and get alerts when jobs posted are in their fields of interest
There's a bespoke plugin that is used to take these jobs and turn them into a print ready PDF for printing hard copies of and also printing a PDF version of the brochure. This brochure has a front page image that is changeable per week as needed, the templates involved are for various different roles and each job pulls out info on the job and also a school logo assigned to each job

That's about it, what would you guys quote this work in to a) rewrite the site not in Wordpress b) rewrite in Wordpress

The jobs plugin is an outdated version of wp job board which would be replaced.

Is that enough to go on?

 

[kevm3]

Anyone know of a great book or course on structured css and structured responsive web design? I'm looking for a sort of process that doesn't involve randomly throwing media queries around and hoping it looks right on different screens.

 

[Daffy Duck]

I've read about a structure called ITCSS before, and it looks quite good.

http://www.creativebloq.com/web-design/manage-large-css-projects-itcss-101517528

 

[gutshot]

Would some of you be able to do me a favour?

Place I work at really struggles with selling things at market value for websites considering they've been going 30 years amd I want an idea of how we sit with regards costs;

There's a site that we have that's built in Wordpress at the moment and needs rewriting as it's not mobile friendly and needs a new template.

The spec is as follows:

5-6 content pages of straightforward content
A jobs section that allows schools to register and then post jobs to
Interested parties can register and get alerts when jobs posted are in their fields of interest
There's a bespoke plugin that is used to take these jobs and turn them into a print ready PDF for printing hard copies of and also printing a PDF version of the brochure. This brochure has a front page image that is changeable per week as needed, the templates involved are for various different roles and each job pulls out info on the job and also a school logo assigned to each job

That's about it, what would you guys quote this work in to a) rewrite the site not in Wordpress b) rewrite in Wordpress

The jobs plugin is an outdated version of wp job board which would be replaced.

Is that enough to go on?

That sounds like a pretty big job. It's hard to get an accurate estimate without knowing much about this plugin and how much functionality it has built into it, but assuming you have to do a lot of that custom, I would say you are looking at over 100 hours of dev work, easy.

 

[The Albatross]

Would some of you be able to do me a favour?

Place I work at really struggles with selling things at market value for websites considering they've been going 30 years amd I want an idea of how we sit with regards costs;

There's a site that we have that's built in Wordpress at the moment and needs rewriting as it's not mobile friendly and needs a new template.

The spec is as follows:

5-6 content pages of straightforward content
A jobs section that allows schools to register and then post jobs to
Interested parties can register and get alerts when jobs posted are in their fields of interest
There's a bespoke plugin that is used to take these jobs and turn them into a print ready PDF for printing hard copies of and also printing a PDF version of the brochure. This brochure has a front page image that is changeable per week as needed, the templates involved are for various different roles and each job pulls out info on the job and also a school logo assigned to each job

That's about it, what would you guys quote this work in to a) rewrite the site not in Wordpress b) rewrite in Wordpress

The jobs plugin is an outdated version of wp job board which would be replaced.

Is that enough to go on?

I'd probably quote about 120 hours for the project, and I bill $50/hr. I generally quote on the higher-side because I don't take smaller jobs anymore. But, what you'd be getting from a developer like me is very high quality, with 8+ years experience with WordPress, 12+ of Web Development, and strong communication throughout the job... So, estimating about $6000 or $6500. That's for a WordPress job, and I don't think I'd quote it for anything else, too many open questions.

If budget is an issue, you could probably find a firm/developer that would do it for half that much, what you sacrifice is expertise and usually communication... They'd likely make use of a ~$100 theme or so (Divi or something similar), and customize on top of that. There's nothing wrong with that business model, it works for most small companies. You introduce some risk and scalability.

If $3000 is too high, you can look to India, Poland, former Soviet countries, and Russia for WordPress developers. Communication suffers there and you end up having to balance your investment with how much you trust your developers. Most of these "firms" are run by an English speaking lead, and then they outsource the majority of the work to freelance developers. You would get the product done at a low budget, but there's always some risk.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Thanks guys.

Interestingly enough that's the same ballpark i quoted (in £) to my boss for the work, so at least I know I'm in the right area.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogr...th_it_to_learn_programming_to_get_an/dd8p3vt/

This seem true to you? It's concerning because I don't really have the particular background this person mentions.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogr...th_it_to_learn_programming_to_get_an/dd8p3vt/

This seem true to you? It's concerning because I don't really have the particular background this person mentions.

No and yes. There's always work for great frontend devs that do frontend only. Frontend is very saturated term by itself: does it mean someone that just does HTML and CSS and whatnot? Most likely not. There's much more to being a excellent frontend developer (programming, design, UX, motion) than just knowing how to create markup. Is it a bad thing that a college dropout can learn it? Absolutely not. Undervalueing yourself in the job market will lead you getting the lowest bucket of jobs, and you'll always have to work up; it just doesn't mean that everyone has to start from the bottom.

 

[The Albatross]

https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogr...th_it_to_learn_programming_to_get_an/dd8p3vt/

This seem true to you? It's concerning because I don't really have the particular background this person mentions.

I guess it's a sound theory, but front-end web development has been easy to learn and it hasn't stopped the industry from having thousands of opportunities, at high five, low six figure salaries.

Plus, experience matters for most major companies, and so if you can start now and get your foot in the door somewhere, then in 3 or 4 years when the front-end apocalypse takes hold and everybody has taken a front-end bootcamp, then you'll have that experience under your belt.

There's always risk with any learning opportunity, but when applying yourself to a very difficult back-end specialty, it can be more difficult to go from zero-to-competant, and all the time you've spent learning might mean that you're losing time by not gaining experience. Plus, beyond all that, you end up learning more so much more quickly when you're on the job than you do in a bootcamp. Bootcamps are great and give solid fundamentals, plus training on sites like CodeSchool or what have you, they're all excellent, but when you're working with real problems and under real working scenarios where you have to do something a certain way, it's a greater incentive for learning.

 

[xxracerxx]

What do you guys think is more friendly to potential clients on a business card, web developer or web design & developer?

Sometimes I feel like people are not really sure what a web developer is when looking for a freelancer to build their website/s.

 

[The Albatross]

What do you guys think is more friendly to potential clients on a business card, web developer or web design & developer?

Sometimes I feel like people are not really sure what a web developer is when looking for a freelancer to build their website/s.

Friendly or accurate? I still get a lot of confusion with clients who expect me to be a designer, though I'm a developer only these days. I can still do some limited design but I'm bad at it and shouldn't sell it to anybody. So, usually when I sit down with them I tell them I'm a developer, and I don't do design, so they should consider hiring a designer, etc.

If you do both, I'd put Web Design & Developer. Web Developer, IMO, should just be a developer. To me it just seems more accurate.