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[ManaByte]

Webb is going to be observing all the planets in the Trappist-1 system !

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Haha

We're also getting all the commissioning data this Thursday.
All the objects they used to calibrate and/or fine tuning off all the onboard instruments of the telescope over the past 6 months (including observations on Jupiter) is coming out very soon

The Jupiter images are said to be spectacular so can't wait to see that.

There's lots to look forward to

 

[[Sigma]]

This did not disappoint.

 

[TylerD]

And to think this is just a tiny area of the sky. Not sure where..but it's almost unbelievable the amount of galaxies that are/were out there. Staggering.

The shot from yesterday is way more impactful to me than anything else. Just look at all the shit in the tiny little area of the sky! The shape of the galaxies/formations being so clear was such a moving thing to see. It really hit me hard in a good way, just fucking incredible stuff.

 

[ItsGreat]

Haha

We're also getting all the commissioning data this Thursday.
All the objects they used to calibrate and/or fine tuning off all the onboard instruments of the telescope over the past 6 months (including observations on Jupiter) is coming out very soon

The Jupiter images are said to be spectacular so can't wait to see that.

There's lots to look forward to

A systems status update. With a cheeky Jupiter calibration image.

https://www.stsci.edu/files/live/si...documents/jwst-science-performance-report.pdf

 

[winjer]

 

[Spaceman292]

Webb is going to be observing all the planets in the Trappist-1 system !

YEAHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is better than E3

That's one of my top ten systems tbh

 

[DetectiveBananas]

I’ll just get my glow sticks and Moon Shoes on for this historic event.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

cheeky Jupiter calibration image.

And there’s my new band name

 

[V1LÆM]

the images are beautiful but also terrifying/sad.

it's overwhelming to see all those galaxies just chilling out there...

and that's a tiny part of the sky? how can their NOT be life out there? we can't be alone. we don't mean shit in the universe. i keep picking a random spot and thinking i wonder what is there? maybe there is a planet like ours and there's an advanced civilization just like ours. maybe way more advanced. maybe they have looked out to the universe too and our milky way is one of those galaxies they see. are they looking at us? i know that image is showing light from billions of years ago but it's not like they've all disappeared. some might have changed a lot but there's still galaxies out there right now. millions or billions of light years away there could be another planet with billions of "people" going about their life. i mean i'm sitting here thinking about them so maybe they are sitting there thinking about us. what if we're the aliens?

it's sad because all that's out there and it feels like on earth we're fighting with ourselves and i wish we could all just get on and work together. how can you look at this image and still have a lot of anger and hatred in your heart? again we don't mean shit in the grand scale of things. why do we need to fight and kill each other? i'd love if hundreds/thousands of years from now that humans could go out and really explore space. not just go to mars or whatever but truly travel. i think humans are amazing and we could do it. i think if we have to survive we need to go out into space and become multi-planetary. unfortunately at the same time i feel like maybe we're not meant to travel far. it reminds me of this lovecraft quote:

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of the infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.”

How can the human mind start to comprehend just how big the universe is? people have a difficult enough time imagining a billion. there has to be millions of billions if not trillions of galaxies out there. it's insane. We're just on our little insignificant rock and it's quite possible that we'll die out here. We're more interested in going to war with each other and we're ruining our planet. Earth will be fine i suppose but climate change is fucking things up for us. We need to sort it out and protect our home. Maybe we need to get off the planet but that's not a proper solution right now even if we build a settlement on Mars. That is a long shot right now and it's the best we can hope for in the next 100 or so years.

i don't really know where i'm going with this lol. it's amazing what one image can stir up in your head. it's beautiful but sad. obviously we'll not be here to see the future of humanity but i really hope we get our shit together over the next 100-200 years.

 

[Catphish]

Plot twist: it’s all procedurally generated.

 

[V1LÆM]

Plot twist: it’s all procedurally generated.

i'm waiting for an RTX 4090 Ti to run it in 4K 60fps with RTX.

 

[[Sigma]]

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I'm looking forward to Dr Becky's breakdown video later today. She's more of an astrophysicist than Anton, though I still love his channel.

 

[Tieno]

I'm looking forward to Dr Becky's breakdown video later today. She's more of an astrophysicist than Anton, though I still love his channel.

Yeah, fellow Dr Becky fan. Love her vibe and insight into the astrophysics Uni world.

 

[nkarafo]

One thing that bothers me about all these kinds of images:

Does that thing look like this if i look at it with my own eyes from up-close? Or is it an artist impression/rendering/different spectrum image?

 

[Kenpachii]

One thing that bothers me about all these kinds of images:

Does that thing look like this if i look at it with my own eyes from up-close? Or is it an artist impression/rendering/different spectrum image?

Livestream mentioned that they basically photoshop the living shit out of those photo's which changes there looks completely so its kinda bullshit color wise it seems.

Here's the part where they go over that subject.

 

[nkarafo]

Livestream mentioned that they basically photoshop the living shit out of those photo's which changes there looks completely so its kinda bullshit color wise it seems.

Here's the part where they go over that subject.

And this is how they completely kill this for me.

I know these telescopes have instruments that measure/detect things we can't "see". But when they use images of the visible light, why not just show the real thing? That's the whole point of seeing something up-close that you weren't supposed to be able to see.

 

[Kenpachii]

And this is how they completely kill this for me.

I know these telescopes have instruments that measure/detect things we can't "see". But when they use images of the visible light, why not just show the real thing? That's the whole point of seeing something up-close that you weren't supposed to be able to see.

Because it highlights the specific parts of pictures a lot more better is what they say. However after hearing it myself i felt like yea, that's kinda misleading mate.

I am also sure nobody really cares about pictures like these besides a select bunch of scientists which probably don't pay the bills.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

And this is how they completely kill this for me.

I know these telescopes have instruments that measure/detect things we can't "see". But when they use images of the visible light, why not just show the real thing? That's the whole point of seeing something up-close that you weren't supposed to be able to see.

…What? If you want the unfiltered natural version you can look up at the sky with your eyes, you won’t see many galaxies that way though. What is it that you want? A greyscale image? They have modified the image so that it looks closer to what your eyes would see, or closer to the “real thing” it’s a bunch of data streamed from a satellite, there is no “real” image. I’m just very confused by this sentiment.

 

[FunkMiller]

Livestream mentioned that they basically photoshop the living shit out of those photo's which changes there looks completely so its kinda bullshit color wise it seems.

They’re not ‘bullshit’ colour wise. They’re accurate to what the colours would be if you or I could actually see the objects in space. Colour and light exists on a vastly larger spectrum than the human eye can perceive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

James Webb sees these colours in a different way from us, and then we create images that allow us to see those colours in the part of the spectrum that we can actually visualise.

 

[Dr.D00p]

They’re not ‘bullshit’ colour wise. They’re accurate to what the colours would be if you or I could actually see the objects in space. Colour and light exists on a vastly larger spectrum than the human eye can perceive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

James Webb sees these colours in a different way from us, and then we create images that allow us to see those colours in the part of the spectrum that we can actually visualise.

I think the point he's making is that if you could magically park a spacecraft where you could observe these objects with your own eyes, they'd look nothing like what you see in these photos in terms of colour.

 

[PuppetMaster]

Interesting tool to compare Hubble with JWST directly

James Webb Space Telescope vs Hubble Telescope Comparison

Use the tool below to explore the galaxy cluster SMACS 0723, with images taken by the new James Webb Space Telescope and the Hubble Telescope.

academo.org

 

[Razorback]

One thing that bothers me about all these kinds of images:

Does that thing look like this if i look at it with my own eyes from up-close? Or is it an artist impression/rendering/different spectrum image?

I see people bringing up this point a lot. Here's my take on it.

If you were out in space looking at this thing with your own eyes, no, it would not look like this. I assume it would look dimmer and less colorful\detailed. Every animal only evolves to see what they need to see. Human eyes didn't evolve for such an environment like deep space. But what humans see with their eyes isn't the objective way the universe really looks. Color isn't a real property of the world. There are no red photons or blue photons, only different wavelengths. The human brain picks up on this data and invents color to make useful distinctions about the objects out there. Color only exists in the map we generate in our heads about what's out there, it doesn't exist in the territory. We want the red apples to stick out against the greenery of the background, making them easier to spot. There isn't any true way the universe really looks like. Every animal has a different take on it depending on what's more useful for their daily lives.

Similarly, the JWST can pick up on infrared data, real data, but in order to make sense of it, to make useful distinctions, we have to assign different colors to different parts. Yes the colors are picked arbitrarily, but they correspond to actual wavelengths, it isn't colored by hand in photoshop by an artist. This is what nature also did for us. Apples aren't red for any particular reason. This can get a bit philosophical but how can you be sure that the red apple you see is the same red I see? Maybe your red is my blue and we just use the same words to describe it.
What about tetrachromats? People that have 4 color channels instead of 3. Is their view of reality less accurate because it isn't the norm? I'd say they actually see more of reality. And the JWST sees even more. Or at least it sees the relevant part of the light spectrum for that particular context.

In the future if we expand to live in space, we'd want to upgrade our visual system to be able to detect that data. Sticking with what nature gave us for this particular environment would be robbing us of useful data, and a lot of beauty.

 

[FunkMiller]

I think the point he's making is that if you could magically park a spacecraft where you could observe these objects with your own eyes, they'd look nothing like what you see in these photos in terms of colour.

Well, possibly not... but the pictures being presented haven't just been randomly coloured to make them pretty for the shaved apes to look at

 

[nkarafo]

I see people bringing up this point a lot. Here's my take on it.

If you were out in space looking at this thing with your own eyes, no, it would not look like this. I assume it would look dimmer and less colorful\detailed. Every animal only evolves to see what they need to see. Human eyes didn't evolve for such an environment like deep space. But what humans see with their eyes isn't the objective way the universe really looks. Color isn't a real property of the world. There are no red photons or blue photons, only different wavelengths. The human brain picks up on this data and invents color to make useful distinctions about the objects out there. Color only exists in the map we generate in our heads about what's out there, it doesn't exist in the territory. We want the red apples to stick out against the greenery of the background, making them easier to spot. There isn't any true way the universe really looks like. Every animal has a different take on it depending on what's more useful for their daily lives.

Similarly, the JWST can pick up on infrared data, real data, but in order to make sense of it, to make useful distinctions, we have to assign different colors to different parts. Yes the colors are picked arbitrarily, but they correspond to actual wavelengths, it isn't colored by hand in photoshop by an artist. This is what nature also did for us. Apples aren't red for any particular reason. This can get a bit philosophical but how can you be sure that the red apple you see is the same red I see? Maybe your red is my blue and we just use the same words to describe it.
What about tetrachromats? People that have 4 color channels instead of 3. Is their view of reality less accurate because it isn't the norm? I'd say they actually see more of reality. And the JWST sees even more. Or at least it sees the relevant part of the light spectrum for that particular context.

In the future if we expand to live in space, we'd want to upgrade our visual system to be able to detect that data. Sticking with what nature gave us for this particular environment would be robbing us of useful data, and a lot of beauty.

Thanks for this post, made me think of it differently.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I think the point he's making is that if you could magically park a spacecraft where you could observe these objects with your own eyes, they'd look nothing like what you see in these photos in terms of colour.

That's uncertain, I think. If they're using the spectroscopy results to assess the distance to each object, based on redshift, then they should theoretically be able to shift each objects color back into the visible spectrum in order to recreate the true color of the object. But I don't think they bother going to that length. I think they can probably get a reasonable approximation based on the amount of energy being captured by JWST. Higher energy light is blue, and lower energy is red. Then just grade the image accordingly.

We see them doing this with composite shots where Hubble will capture the same image in different wavelengths. UV images will generally be colored bluer that the stuff Hubble captured in the near-infrared. AFAIK, no space images are ever captured in color the way we do here on Earth, because the sensors have to be robust enough to survive the radiation. Even on Mars, it's all monochrome, and just false colored afterwards. I'm paraphrasing from memory, but Scott Manley (former JPL employee, and KSP wizard) explains it really well in this video:



I don't think it has anything to do with trying to fool the public. I think it's more a matter of what looks natural, and what doesn't. Even staring at the night sky features color. "False color" if you consider that everything we look at is filtered by the Earth's atmosphere. So adding color to images from as far back as the Pioneer missions makes sense for bridging the uncanny valley that would otherwise arise from staring at an image that makes sense to a robot, but not a human eye that's been swimming in a sea of color its entire life. At the end of the day, science is about making sense of the world/universe we live in, so this seems like the correct approach.

 

[West Texas CEO]

Webb is going to be observing all the planets in the Trappist-1 system !

YEAHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is better than E3

I can't wait for this, to be honest.
Aren't there supposed to be earth-like planets in Trappist?

 

[ItsGreat]

And this is how they completely kill this for me.

I know these telescopes have instruments that measure/detect things we can't "see". But when they use images of the visible light, why not just show the real thing? That's the whole point of seeing something up-close that you weren't supposed to be able to see.

Do you feel the same about the recordings we make of bats?

 

[Insane Metal]

I can't wait for this, to be honest.
Aren't there supposed to be earth-like planets in Trappist?

What we know so far is that at least 2, possibly 3 out of the planets in that system are in the goldilocks zone (for those who don't know it's a spot in a star's orbit where the temperature is just right for water to be liquid on a planet's surface). Also they all seem to be tidally locked which isn't great for life as we know it but who knows.

Anyway this is absolutely insane and I can't wait for that.

 

[user friendly]

And this is how they completely kill this for me.

I know these telescopes have instruments that measure/detect things we can't "see". But when they use images of the visible light, why not just show the real thing? That's the whole point of seeing something up-close that you weren't supposed to be able to see.

Check out backyard telescope pictures of galaxies. Less post processing typically and still an amazing sight to see.

 

[MaestroMike]

you get a galaxy and you get a galaxy galaxies for everybody !!

 

[Ironbunny]

Question: Can I print these James Webb images from a third party for a poster for home use or are these copyrighted?

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Question: Can I print these James Webb images from a third party for a poster for home use or are these copyrighted?

Should all be public domain. Most images will be embargoed for like a year though, to give the research teams time to perform their research and publish their findings.

 

[West Texas CEO]

Question: Can I print these James Webb images from a third party for a poster for home use or are these copyrighted?

No one's gonna fuck with you, mate.
Maybe if you were selling posters online, but even then I'd doubt it.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Question: Can I print these James Webb images from a third party for a poster for home use or are these copyrighted?

I think I saw a link to poster prints. I'll share them with you if I find it again.

 

[Insane Metal]

TRAPPIST-1 – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre

pt.wikipedia.org

Can't wait. Go JWST.

 

[FunkMiller]

 

[winjer]

 

[Kraz]

It's wild that the foreground galaxy cluster causing the lensing is around 4 billion ly away and the stuff in the lensing is 3x further going back to the beginning of the visible universe.
It's moving away so fast that it's so faint.

The time is one consideration. The different speeds at which these objects appear to be moving is another thing. It's such a fantastic image to add to contemplation about the state of the universe and the Big Bang. We're inside that massive structure and alive. It's amazing all things considered.

Wonder if anyone in galaxy cluster could even see those lensed galaxies we see without having lensing themselves.

 

[Insane Metal]

Fucking amazing.

 

[Badlucktroll]

I really want to see the information about the trappist-1 system james webb finds. When is that?

 

[IDKFA]

I really want to see the information about the trappist-1 system james webb finds. When is that?

Soon, but no exact date.

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resour...james-webb-space-telescope-trappist-1-system/

 

[El Pistolero]

Both incredibly beautiful and cosmically terrifying! It is seriously humbling to remind ourselves how insignificant we are...INSIGNIFICANT...

 

[West Texas CEO]

Let me post some Trappist-1 infografs for anyone curious;
(the green areas in the first pic are the Goldilock zones)

 

[sankt-Antonio]

the images are beautiful but also terrifying/sad.

it's overwhelming to see all those galaxies just chilling out there...

and that's a tiny part of the sky? how can their NOT be life out there? we can't be alone. we don't mean shit in the universe. i keep picking a random spot and thinking i wonder what is there? maybe there is a planet like ours and there's an advanced civilization just like ours. maybe way more advanced. maybe they have looked out to the universe too and our milky way is one of those galaxies they see. are they looking at us? i know that image is showing light from billions of years ago but it's not like they've all disappeared. some might have changed a lot but there's still galaxies out there right now. millions or billions of light years away there could be another planet with billions of "people" going about their life. i mean i'm sitting here thinking about them so maybe they are sitting there thinking about us. what if we're the aliens?

it's sad because all that's out there and it feels like on earth we're fighting with ourselves and i wish we could all just get on and work together. how can you look at this image and still have a lot of anger and hatred in your heart? again we don't mean shit in the grand scale of things. why do we need to fight and kill each other? i'd love if hundreds/thousands of years from now that humans could go out and really explore space. not just go to mars or whatever but truly travel. i think humans are amazing and we could do it. i think if we have to survive we need to go out into space and become multi-planetary. unfortunately at the same time i feel like maybe we're not meant to travel far. it reminds me of this lovecraft quote:

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of the infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.”

How can the human mind start to comprehend just how big the universe is? people have a difficult enough time imagining a billion. there has to be millions of billions if not trillions of galaxies out there. it's insane. We're just on our little insignificant rock and it's quite possible that we'll die out here. We're more interested in going to war with each other and we're ruining our planet. Earth will be fine i suppose but climate change is fucking things up for us. We need to sort it out and protect our home. Maybe we need to get off the planet but that's not a proper solution right now even if we build a settlement on Mars. That is a long shot right now and it's the best we can hope for in the next 100 or so years.

i don't really know where i'm going with this lol. it's amazing what one image can stir up in your head. it's beautiful but sad. obviously we'll not be here to see the future of humanity but i really hope we get our shit together over the next 100-200 years.

What’s even sader: The universe is expanding with the speed of light. Some time in our future the light of distant suns won’t reach us, ever. So people will look into the sky not seeing stars. When civilization gets wiped out and another cycling of intelligent live begins they will never be able to observe far away stars, can’t come to the Big Bang conclusion- they will be alone, with our galaxy being the only observable thing in the sky. :/

 

[PapaEmeritus]

Plot twist: it’s all procedurally generated.

Todd Howard does it again! Amazing!

 

[Pagusas]

And this is how they completely kill this for me.

I know these telescopes have instruments that measure/detect things we can't "see". But when they use images of the visible light, why not just show the real thing? That's the whole point of seeing something up-close that you weren't supposed to be able to see.

I think the point he's making is that if you could magically park a spacecraft where you could observe these objects with your own eyes, they'd look nothing like what you see in these photos in terms of colour.

Not exactly true, several of those objects you CAN see with telescopes (though way way way way way less qualify) but you can see what the natural light/color of them looks like:

Here is the Helix Nebula from a ground based telescope, no IR/spectrum processing:

Hubble w/IR spectrum processing:

Hope that helps better understand what they are doing. Are the colors fake? Ish, but they are mapping them as close to real life/visible spectrum as they can

 

[Insane Metal]

 

[Deleted member 1159]

What the fuuuuuuuckkkk