What About the Next Game Boy? Matt responds

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What About the Next Game Boy?

It seems to me that everyone has forgotten a very important statement by Nintendo. The DS is NOT the next Game Boy. This would lead me to believe they are working on something else, something to go more head to head with the PSP, and something we will see sooner than we might think. Info? Thoughts?

(I know this e-mail should be on the GBA or DS site... sorry)


Matt responds: I think you're right. Nintendo has said on several occasions that the DS is the third pillar to GameCube and Game Boy. There's no doubt in my mind that a true successor to Game Boy is therefore in development. Probably well into development, even. And that makes the DS a bigger enigma.

I just got off the phone with Craig Harris, who runs our DS channel. I asked Craig if Nintendo has slowed development on Game Boy Advance now that DS had arrived, and he said yes, absolutely, that only a handful of GBA games were underway by the company through the end of the year. He added that its DS lineup is far larger. He also noted that many of the developers previously hot on DS have now cut back on games for the platform in favor of working on PSP, but that's another mailbag entirely.

I get the feeling that what Nintendo says and what the company actually does are two different things. It said that the DS was the third pillar, a machine that would complement the GBA. And then it pulls back support on GBA and focuses on DS.

So what happens to DS when the successor to Game Boy finally arrives? My guess is exactly the same thing: in other words, reduced support for the DS in favor of making games for the new Game Boy. DS owners get the shaft. This is not a good strategy. It dilutes Nintendo's market and confuses consumers. And I really think Sony is going to capitalize on it.

The successor to Game Boy could be the best thing ever. But it's not here yet. The DS is. That being the case, I think your point is moot for now, though it may be valid soon enough. Nintendo can take out a full-page ad in USA Today and proclaim in bold lettering that "DS is not competing with PSP." Nobody's going to believe that. Of course it is! They're both portables and they're both likely to sell in the same price range. How are they not competing? Nintendo said the same thing about GameCube, PS2 and Xbox, if you'll recall. Please note that GameCube is today lumped into the same category as the other consoles. It is not its own market. The simple truth is that no matter what Nintendo says on the topic, consumers are going to view DS and PSP as competitors and many of these consumers will likely choose one or the other, not both. As a consumer, I believe that right now PSP is the better machine. If Nintendo hopes to keep its market, it needs to convince buyers like me otherwise. And since the successor to Game Boy Advance is nowhere to be found, at least not yet, that's really not an option.

Nintendo is betting that consumers want innovation over technology. That concept is at the root of DS, although whether or not the device is truly innovative is, as I stated in last week's mailbag, entirely debatable. I'm not buying it. I believe that in a decade where consumers will pay $400 for an iPod, undemonstrated "innovation" takes a backseat to technology that gets the job done correctly. So unless Nintendo shows me why DS is truly innovative, or releases the Game Boy Next, not only do I believe Sony will with PSP be the handheld market leader in four years, but I'll also wager that the portable will redefine the handheld demographic, effectively aging it up and attracting a wider audience. If this turns out to be true, Sony will have done exactly what Nintendo set out to do and grab gamers normally uninterested in videogames. But it will have done it by transforming an existing market and not catering to an unproven new one.
 
in before the tidal wave of hilarity that is almost certainly brewing at this very moment.
 
"I believe Sony will with PSP be the handheld market leader in four years, but I'll also wager that the portable will redefine the handheld demographic, effectively aging it up and attracting a wider audience. If this turns out to be true, Sony will have done exactly what Nintendo set out to do and grab gamers normally uninterested in videogames. But it will have done it by transforming an existing market and not catering to an unproven new one."

That seems about right. :\
 
I don't disagree and he shares many of my own worries about Nintendo, the DS, and the GB Next. I don't think Sony will be quite that successful in stealing Nintendo's thunder or marketshare, however. But I DEFINITELY see the DS as the next GB, for all intents and purposes.
 
Hey Matt, if Sony hasn't completely taken over the world and ground Nintendo into a fine paste by the end of 2010, can we kill you?
 
I think Nintendo would have been alright if they didn't even make the DS and just let the SP go head to head with the PSP. The thing still sells a ridiculous amount, and it could drop to $60 yet. I think its a mistake for Nintendo to cut back on their most popular system.
 
I agree.

The DS, while cool, is just not as cool as the PSP. That thing is hot, and it's got the same kind of "FUCK ME I WANT ONE" attitude as the iPod.

Nintendo is in a Jam. Can't release another handheld, so they better make some really really cool games, and not waste time porting a single thing.
 
Marketing 101

Target markets are:

1) Measurable
2) Meaningful
3) Reponsive


Does Matt think those attracted to the DS are touch-sensitive, tentacled aliens?
 
At the rate Matt is going, I think he's doing more writing for IGN's PSP/PS2/XBox channels than he is with any Nintendo one.
 
formula for success:

A) Matt makes up some stuff he thinks Nintendo will do.
B) He then builds an entire case off of this assumed (mostly made up) information
C) He then rants how Nintendo is destroying themselves
D) He then proposes how he, the holder of a coveted Community College English degree would run Nintendo better.
E) He then shows how the other company is doing it right.
 
I think Nintendo is fine in Japan. The US could be a problem if they don't have Pokemon ready for the Christmas season. I think they know that, though.
 
On topic... *sigh*... the only thing I can get behind in this rant of Matt's is that it's a really, really bad idea for Nintendo to splinter its userbase by having to build up again from DS with GBA2.

I hope that Nintendo would let its focus remain on DS and really try to show the differences with the software itself, regardless of the hardware superiority of the PSP.

But alas, that doesn't look like it's going to happen :|
 
Cruel Bastard Mario said:
I think Nintendo is fine in Japan. The US could be a problem if they don't have Pokemon ready for the Christmas season. I think they know that, though.

do they? Pokemon GC is coming like this year :lol :lol
 
Also, it seems far more likely that this "third pillar" talk was more a plea for people to continue buying the GBA after the DS was announced than anything else. I dont think there will be a Gameboy successor unless the PSP starts destroying the DS.
 
Odnetnin said:
do they? Pokemon GC is coming like this year? :lol :lol

Pokemon can't save a home system, though. Pokemon (unless it's some kind of MMORPG with online trading and a free modem) is never going to be as big a success in console form as it would be in portable form. Even then, without the face to face aspect, the true social aspect, it's still a bit of a shadow. Nintendo knows that, too. I think, really, that's why they never bothered :)
 
Exactly why is it a bad idea for Nintendo to release another Gameboy in 2-3 years? Nintendo has released 4 freaking handhelds in the past 7 years, and each one sells a gazillion units. Since when is anyone "confused" by this?
 
I dont think there will be a Gameboy successor unless the PSP starts destroying the DS.

well a Gameboy Advance sucessor has been in the works for 3-4 years now and I think it will see the light of day by 2007 at the latest.
 
His speculation is kind of hilarious, even if it's probably right. The DS is an unqualified success so far. He could easily be celebrating that. I don't know why he has to be so pessimistic.
 
That last paragraph is on-point. I think Sony will earn handheld market leadership in less time, though.

The handheld market will be very different in 18-24 months.
 
pilonv1 said:
None of those 4 previous systems had any sort of decent competition.


That doesn't make a bit of difference. Oh no, Nintendo released this "Gameboy Advance" thing 2 years after releasing the Gameboy Color. That's greedy. Get me a PSP for my 7 year old!
 
Speevy said:
Exactly why is it a bad idea for Nintendo to release another Gameboy in 2-3 years? Nintendo has released 4 freaking handhelds in the past 7 years, and each one sells a gazillion units. Since when is anyone "confused" by this?

a.) Those "4 freakin' handhelds" were essentially a fracturing of the original system with a slight design/frontlit upgrade. GB -> GBC was basically GB with color (and a few other modifications). GBC -> GBA was the biggest job here, and that was because if you take the original Gameboy generation on the whole it was WAY past time to move on. GBA -> GBA SP was more like PS2 -> PSTwo, for instance. DS -> GBA2 will be more like Gameboy -> GBA.

b.) This time Nintendo has SERIOUS competition from the market leader of the console sector. You can argue that Game Gear or Lynx were similar in this regard, but you'd be arguing fruitlessly because this is easily the biggest threat Nintendo ever faced in the handheld sector.

c.) Because this time line will force Nintendo to have to re-build its handheld userbase all over again (from DS or GBA if you like) while PSP would have had an extra year or two to firmly establish its direction, software library and userbase.
 
StoOgE said:
Also, it seems far more likely that this "third pillar" talk was more a plea for people to continue buying the GBA after the DS was announced than anything else. I dont think there will be a Gameboy successor unless the PSP starts destroying the DS.
I think the third pillar stuff is actually a way to preemptively justify rolling out GBA2 when it's ready. DS is just a stopgap measure to avoid being completely blown out of the market in the meantime. I don't think Nintendo is under any illusion that it will survive for very long.
 
Unison said:
His speculation is kind of hilarious, even if it's probably right. The DS is an unqualified success so far. He could easily be celebrating that. I don't know why he has to be so pessimistic.

its like penis envy. But with handhelds
 
Amir0x said:
GBA -> GBA SP was more like PS2 -> PSTwo, for instance.

'Cept the PSTwo lost features compared to the PS2. The HDD. Sure, you could say that the GBA SP lost the headphone jack, but Nintendo provided a $4.00 workaround to that.
 
Mejilan said:
'Cept the PSTwo lost features compared to the PS2. The HDD. Sure, you could say that the GBA SP lost the headphone jack, but Nintendo provided a $4.00 workaround to that.

Yeah, and, the HDD was never really a pack-in for the PS2 so it didn't actually "lose" that. You lost the ability to connect to that peripheral, but it's a redesign in the exact vein of GBA SP>

On top of that, the GBA SP was just a redesigned GBA with frontlit screen and no headphone jack.

It is remarkably like PS2 -> PSTwo. In fact, I'd say it's almost exactly the same type of situation.
 
Mejilan said:
'Cept the PSTwo lost features compared to the PS2. The HDD. Sure, you could say that the GBA SP lost the headphone jack, but Nintendo provided a $4.00 workaround to that.
But the PSTwo gained built-in Network Adaptor and the HDD wasn't included rather only a bay for it.
 
Didn't the prior model of the PS2 already come with a free network adaptor packed-in? Having one BUILT in when compared to that isn't a difference, and the lack of HDD support is a step back, not a favor.

GBA -> GBA SP was a significantly better upgrade, imho.

I'll buy the PS2 -> PSTwo comparison if Sony provides a 10 or so dollar solution for using the HDD, but since the PSTwo still seems to feature a USB1.1 connection, I don't see that happening.
 
Unison said:
His speculation is kind of hilarious, even if it's probably right. The DS is an unqualified success so far. He could easily be celebrating that. I don't know why he has to be so pessimistic.

I think those who have spent quality time with a PSP know where this war is going.
 
Mejilan said:
but since the PSTwo still seems to feature a USB1.1 connection, I don't see that happening.
It's USB2.0, USB HDloader(s) for the PSTwo's are already in the works. Actually, one is almost finished.
 
But before the handheld war becomes even more of a battle to see who's #1, I would need to reiterate that Nintendo demonstrably can make profits even without the most marketshare, which means that they can continue to make games. Matt @ Ign always forgets this and turns into a big fanboy, whenever the idea of "WHO IS #1?" enters the picture.

I wouldnt like any system less because it wasn't the top system in its marketplace. That's pretty retarded, really.
 
Defensor said:
It's USB2.0, USB HDloader(s) for the PSTwo's are already in the works. Actually, one is almost finished.

Truly? I thought that rumor was debunked! You know, that whole vague Full Speed vs Hi-Speed wording thing.

Alright Sony. My challenge stands, now step up. Make me and Squenix happy! :D
 
mashoutposse said:
I think those who have spent quality time with a PSP know where this war is going.


I think Nintendo's greatest mistake is not capturing and farming PSP fans for their unique psychic powers.
 
Well, they also said the GC's purpose wasn't to fight XBOX and PS2...Unless GBA 2 is shown this E3, DS is the next GameBoy for us, consumers. What alternative do we have besides PSP ?
Gizmondo ? Ngage ? Come on...
 
ourumov said:
Well, they also said the GC's purpose wasn't to fight XBOX and PS2...Unless GBA 2 is shown this E3, DS is the next GameBoy for us, consumers. What alternative do we have besides PSP ?
Gizmondo ? Ngage ? Come on...

But Gizmondo has Halo!! Oh wait.... :lol
 
At the very least, the PSP will make up for uninspiring PS2 sales. I mean, if Sony keeps getting outsold heading into the Xbox 2 launch, we've pretty much got this generation in reverse.
 
Speevy said:
At the very least, the PSP will make up for uninspiring PS2 sales. I mean, if Sony keeps getting outsold heading into the Xbox 2 launch, we've pretty much got this generation in reverse.

Xbox is only marginally outselling PS2, and that's only in the US. Europe/Japan is still PS2 country. And both systems were completely sold out everywhere over the Christmas season, so uninspiring sales they were not.

Not only that, but you said "it'll basically be this generation in reverse", and yet we know nothing about what Nintendo will do to turn its dark tide around in the console sector (in terms of marketshare).
 
Amir0x said:
Not only that, but you said "it'll basically be this generation in reverse", and yet we know nothing about what Nintendo will do to turn its dark tide around in the console sector (in terms of marketshare).

Probably something that backfires. :lol
 
How is Nintendo supposed to enlarge their market when the name of the device itself is called Game Boy? Its a restrictive brand in several important ways. The decision to put Game Boy on the backburner in favor of the new DS brand was a no-brainer. Surely not engimatic. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see another Game Boy again if the DS is successful.
 
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