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[Mondai]

Has this ever worked out for any of them at any point? and yet people still do this crap. To be frank , I think the children of these kinds of people should be taken away from them , being raised by people like this will do damage. I've watched wayy to many videos on these people and its always the same stupid talking points and reciting really old laws that have been obsolete for many decades.

 

[poppabk]

I've watched a lot of court cam stuff and these people are always hilarious - I especially love that whole bit they do about the name in capital letters.

 

[Punished Miku]

Even nuttier than libertarians, and that's saying something. No laws apply, cool. Guess we're just fighting for territory at this point since countries aren't even a thing. Wonder who's going to come out ahead in that one. The backyard militia group or ... any military on earth. They're basically LARPers that the government hasn't nuked yet because they're white Christians, and mostly keep to themselves when they aren't blowing up government buildings in Oklahoma.

 

[RJMacready73]

Aren't they simply Flat Earth, Young Earth Creationists, Scientology level stupid fuckers that somehow figured out how to keep breathing, i mean when are we simply going to go back to calling all these people what they actually are.. fucking retards

 

[AJUMP23]

I think they make some interesting points at times. But in reality they are under the law of where they reside no matter what they tell themselves.

The court soundly rejects them every time.

https://abogadosgold.com/court/sovereign-citizen-supreme-court-cases/

Sovereign Citizen beliefs often clash with established legal principles, leading to a series of notable Supreme Court cases that have clarified the boundaries of these unconventional theories. These cases serve as essential touchstones in understanding the legal system's rejection of sovereign citizen arguments.


1. United States v. Hill
In this case, the Supreme Court reaffirmed the government's authority to enforce tax laws against individuals who claim sovereign citizen status. The ruling emphasized that all citizens, regardless of their beliefs, are subject to the same legal obligations.


2. Elk v. United States
Elk claimed he was a sovereign citizen and therefore not subject to U.S. laws. The Supreme Court decisively rejected this argument, emphasizing that sovereignty resides with the government, not individual citizens. This case underscores the supremacy of federal law over individual beliefs.


3. United States v. Wahed
Wahed, a self-proclaimed sovereign citizen, challenged the court's jurisdiction over him. The Supreme Court clarified that sovereign citizenship does not exempt individuals from prosecution or the court's authority. This case highlights the legal system's refusal to entertain attempts to evade responsibility based on unconventional beliefs.


These cases exemplify the legal principle that individual beliefs cannot override established laws and regulations. While sovereign citizen ideology may persist, these Supreme Court rulings firmly establish that such beliefs hold no legal weight in the eyes of the law.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I'm not sure

Sometimes these old laws have to be pushed. Being in the UK, I demand the right to be in charge of a cow whilst drunk, or handle a salmon suspiciously

Who doesn't?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Being in the UK, I demand the right to be in charge of a cow whilst drunk, or handle a salmon suspiciously

Avatar checks out.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Avatar checks out.

Don't touch my Salmon

You monster.

 

[DryvBy]

Hilarious lol

 

[ForAcademicPurposes]

Assholes, the lot of.them.

 

[p_xavier]

I strongly believe that people should be able to form their own nation freely.

 

[DKehoe]

I strongly believe that people should be able to form their own nation freely.

 

[Punished Miku]

I strongly believe that people should be able to form their own nation freely.

They can. Good luck.

 

[jason10mm]

We should just give them a 100 square mile spot in the middle of alaska or some atoll in the Pacific and drop them all there. Set up cameras so we can all watch as their "we don't need no gubmint" philosophy turns in to Lord of the Flies. Then use the profits to keep the program going for all then other "unfit for civilized society" types. I like New York City so lets just stick with an island somewhere.

 

[p_xavier]

I'm not a Pakistani in the UK.

 

[ReBurn]

I like to watch the videos where they read from their script and are then shocked when they're found guilty anyway.

 

[winjer]

Idiots and nutjobs.
But often good for a laugh.

 

[Rush2112]

Always the same demographic, too.

 

[Dacvak]

They are 10/10 comedy generators. I love watching vids of them lol.

 

[Trogdor1123]

We should just give them a 100 square mile spot in the middle of alaska or some atoll in the Pacific and drop them all there. Set up cameras so we can all watch as their "we don't need no gubmint" philosophy turns in to Lord of the Flies. Then use the profits to keep the program going for all then other "unfit for civilized society" types. I like New York City so lets just stick with an island somewhere.

I've always wanted to see this movie…

 

[diffusionx]

you're the sovereign if you can keep it. They can't keep it, clearly, so it is bogus.

 

[nightfly]

We should just give them a 100 square mile spot in the middle of alaska or some atoll in the Pacific and drop them all there. Set up cameras so we can all watch as their "we don't need no gubmint" philosophy turns in to Lord of the Flies. Then use the profits to keep the program going for all then other "unfit for civilized society" types. I like New York City so lets just stick with an island somewhere.

Can we do the same for Karen's?

 

[jason10mm]

Can we do the same for Karen's?

No island is too far away.......only cold cold space would do!

 

[dave_d]

Pretty much nut jobs, one step above drunk driving libertarians(People know that's a thing right) and pretty much the same level as communists and resetera posters.(But I repeat myself.)

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

I think it's funny. The first time I heard about it was thanks to a video where a person tries to break into a public building, I believe a courthouse, while claiming that the laws didn't apply to him. The video ends with the person getting tased.

So there certainly is valid criticism to be made when you're an individual living in a place with no democracy, where laws are absurd or unjust, but I didn't see any of them making such comments. They basically want all the advantages of living in a society without having any of the responsibilities.

 

[Muffdraul]

I was addicted to watching videos of SovCits getting owned by cops and judges about a year ago. I actually tried to do some research to find out how in the hell these people get duped and suckered into believing their tactics will work. All I came up with is that there are a few old cases of SovCits getting off in court... due to random technicalities that had NOTHING to do with their legal assertions. And some of them apparently realize they're not going to win "today," but they honestly believe every SovCit case in the courts chips away at "the gummint" until one day they'll win. I just like watching their car windows get busted and them getting tazed.

 

[Punished Miku]

I was addicted to watching videos of SovCits getting owned by cops and judges about a year ago. I actually tried to do some research to find out how in the hell these people get duped and suckered into believing their tactics will work. All I came up with is that there are a few old cases of SovCits getting off in court... due to random technicalities that had NOTHING to do with their legal assertions. And some of them apparently realize they're not going to win "today," but they honestly believe every SovCit case in the courts chips away at "the gummint" until one day they'll win. I just like watching their car windows get busted and them getting tazed.

Care to share?

 

[Muffdraul]

Care to share?

I watched them on youtube, pretty sure the main channel I watched was called VanBallion

 

[MayauMiao]

They are just a bunch of entitled retards. This "sovereign citizen" nonsense use such excuse to avoid any sort of responsibilities, while going around on public roads paid for by the taxpayers.