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[Triumph]

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101041004-702123,00.html

I miss this guy. No, seriously.

 

[videogamer]

bush could just as easily exploit Dean's supposed anger issues or liberal image

 

[Triumph]

bush could just as easily exploit Dean's supposed anger issues or liberal image

No way dude. Dean would just get angry about being exploited and eat Dubya's head. Then people would understand that Liberals aren't pussies, and a golden age of peace, love, understanding and potential nuclear warfare would be ushered in. With Dubya, we just get the last one.

 

[Hitokage]

Uh, remember the McCain/Bush primary?

 

[videogamer]

No way dude. Dean would just get angry about being exploited and eat Dubya's head. Then people would understand that Liberals aren't pussies, and a golden age of peace, love, understanding and potential nuclear warfare would be ushered in. With Dubya, we just get the last one.

Yeah, Dean's rebukes and bluntness were refreshing, but don't underestimate the right and what they are capable of.

 

[Hitokage]

Rove would just use "angry liberal" instead of "flip flopper". Reality presents little restriction here.

 

[Jim Bowie]

Rove would just use "angry liberal" instead of "flip flopper". Reality presents little restriction here.

Liberal is pretty much a given anyways in democrat v. republican debates.

 

[Triumph]

Uh, remember the McCain/Bush primary?

LET ME DREAM! I've only got four more days or so until this horrible, abortive campaign for the Presidency in this hellish year of our Lord, 2004, comes to a close. Bush is going to make Kerry look like an asshole in the debate. Just wait. It will all be over...

FOUR MORE YEARS
FOUR MORE YEARS
FOUR MORE YEARS

In all seriousness, the McCain/Bush debates were some of Dubya's only "bad" debate performances, in that he didn't make McCain look like an asshole. Dubya looked downright uncomfortable debating McCain. I bet he would have fared poorly against Howard(and Nader would make him cry like a little girl), but it's too late for that shit now. Dumb fucking Democrats.

 

[Ripclawe]

Dean would have gotten torn apart with ease especially if he kept playing to the liberal base after the primaries.

 

[Hitokage]

Dean would have gotten torn apart with ease especially if he kept playing to the liberal base after the primaries.

Uh huh, which is exactly why Bush wiped the dust off his COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE banners.

 

[Triumph]

Liberal is pretty much a given anyways in democrat v. republican debates.

Here's the thing: sooner or later, someone is going to stand up to the Right Wing Smear Machine and not stand for being called "liberal" in a derogatory manner. I actually saw Dean do it during the Dem. convention when he was being interviewed, and someone asked if he was too liberal. He said, "My state had a balanced budget because I stood up to my state Senate and House. Is that 'liberal'?" He just had a great way of not allowing himself to be pigeonholed. I still say I'd prefer him over Kerry as a candidate.

 

[Rorschach]

Reality presents little restriction here.

That's exactly what I was thinking as I was reading the article.

Dean's lack of a war record might have actually helped him.

Bush made out like a war hero against two men who had served in vietnam. How high could they elevate him against a man who didn't even go?

Uh, remember the McCain/Bush primary?

^What he said.

 

[Ripclawe]

Here's the thing: sooner or later, someone is going to stand up to the Right Wing Smear Machine and not stand for being called "liberal" in a derogatory manner.

There is a reason why liberals are calling themselves "progressives"

 

[RiZ III]

I was with Dean from the start. The media didn't seem to like him very much though

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

Voted for Dean in the primaries, but I still don't think it would matter all that much.

Anyway, by definition isn't a liberal just someone who believes in personal freedom? And by extension, don't the Republican attempts of the past 20+ years to make 'liberal' a dirty word pretty much show that they hate freedom (just like the terrorists!)?

 

[Ripclawe]

I was with Dean from the start. The media didn't seem to like him very much though

The media built him up and tore him down just before Iowa, the smirk on Howard Fineman's face on hardball when he talked about Dean and his "INTERNET" followers was hysterical.

 

[Catchpenny]

I think Dean would be getting destroyed. Just not polished enough to withstand the general election. He seems like a cool guy with personality, but that would work against him in a lot of ways, in an age where politicians are penalized for going off-script. Yes, he would be pushing back at Republican attacks, but would likely come off shrill in doing so. I never cared for some of his "me against the world" antics, especially as the wheels were coming off of his candidacy.

Dean should get a tv or radio show. Seriously. Give him a few months to adjust to broadcasting and it would be fantastic.

 

[Jim Bowie]

Here's the thing: sooner or later, someone is going to stand up to the Right Wing Smear Machine and not stand for being called "liberal" in a derogatory manner. I actually saw Dean do it during the Dem. convention when he was being interviewed, and someone asked if he was too liberal. He said, "My state had a balanced budget because I stood up to my state Senate and House. Is that 'liberal'?" He just had a great way of not allowing himself to be pigeonholed. I still say I'd prefer him over Kerry as a candidate.

No, I'm in total agreement with you- I liked Dean. But I'm sure that even if someone stood up to being called a liberal as an insult, the GOP would do so anyways. That's just how it's been done, and I don't think anyone will be changing that tactic any time soon.

 

[Mumbles]

In all seriousness, the McCain/Bush debates were some of Dubya's only "bad" debate performances, in that he didn't make McCain look like an asshole. Dubya looked downright uncomfortable debating McCain. I bet he would have fared poorly against Howard(and Nader would make him cry like a little girl), but it's too late for that shit now. Dumb fucking Democrats.

Actually, I'd say that Bush got demolished during his first debate with Gore, too. It's just humiliating when you need your opponent to correct you on your own agenda, after all. Frankly, Bush spent the whole debate looking like a deer in headlights.

How it managed to get turned around into "GORE SIGHED WHEN BUSH WAS TALKING. OMG HE"S SUCH A BULLY!!!1!!1!!" is a textbook example of media distortion.

 

[Prospero]

I voted for Wesley Clark in the Democratic primary, and though I don't regret that vote, I have to say Howard Dean is looking mighty good right about now.