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What do to with a large savings

Hey all, young guy here, long story short, I've been saving since my first teenage job in high school and have been extremely stingy with money to where I've managed to acquire quite a hefty savings for my age. I'm feeling pretty good about it until my more financially savvy friends are appalled to hear this, that it is just sitting in savings, and give me tips on investing.

I possessed only a modest array of knowledge about investing and have a little fear about taking it out of savings but am determined to use it wisely. Upon more research I too became appalled, I was sitting on a goldmine potentially if I'm smart. I learned I could grow this exponentially slowly (or quickly depending on my risk tolerance) and escape the 9-5 lifestyle early potentially and achieve financial freedom, or at the very least, gain a larger amount of funds to enjoy a more comfortable lifestyle, lavish vacations and/or have more pocket change to splurge.

So where do I start? What do I invest in? I'm gonna get on Fidelity and start to try and figure it out but it all seems like so much and theres a lot to understand. Thought I'd reach out for help. Thanks guys!

EDIT: It's low-mid 5 figures for those wondering.
 
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daveonezero

Banned
It depends on your situation and what you want to do.

I'm assuming you have no debt.
Pay off everything.
Buy food and emergency supplies for at least a month.
Then buy precious metals and or crypto
Then invest the rest in more risky things. As money won't matter if the economy crashes.
 
start by learning what inflation is. Look st ETFs in an industry or sector you think is worthwhile. Most people will not tell you what to invest in because even people who really study this are wrong due to unforeseen events or information that is not available to them. I am invested in many different things because although I have my opinions, I think it is better to spread my money around in case one of those investments performs poorly for reasons I could not anticipate.
 
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T8SC

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AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
I would start a Roth IRA if you do not have one. $6000 a year in the fund, max it out to start.

Meanwhile take a large majority and put it in some type of manages growth or ETF. You need to decide how Risk Averse you want to be.

Next month take 10k and buy IBONDS. The guaranteed interest rate for the next year starting in November is 7.5% It would be be a way to have some growth.

Invest in ETFs.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Depends on your situation A arkhamguy123

If you have any debt at all I would recommend paying it off immediately with whatever you have before making any other decisions. Car, credit card, medical bills, etc etc. It helps in so many ways. If it takes a chunk out of your savings then that is fine because you now don't have to worry about payments. You can set the money you had originally set aside for those bills to go directly into savings. That adds up quickly and looks great on your credit report. Then if you have a sizable enough of money left over I would sit down with your significant other (if you have one) and go over what you guys want out of your life and how soon you want those things. If your goal is to retire at a younger age than most then you need to look at either saving more faster or you need to be willing to take bigger risks with the money you have. If your goal is to just provide yourself and your significant other (if you have one) with a comfortable amount of money to fall back on and then retire at the average age of retirement I would suggest more "safe" means of investment that do not open you up to as much risk. Especially if you love your job. Nothing wrong with taking more time to save money while doing something you love.



In my experience those are the two areas that most people fall into. Those who want to retire ASAP and are will to take more risk for a higher and more immediate payoff. Then there are those who are okay with their jobs and are okay with taking their time in order to secure their future financial stability. Find out which group you fall into and then CONTACT A FINANCIAL PROFESSIONAL WHOSE JOB IT IS TO DEAL WITH THIS EXACT SITUATION. I am not a financial adviser. I am a name on a page on a video game forum that has dedicated threads for tits and butts so take anything I said here with a grain of salt. Under no circumstances do you take any advice in this thread to heart and then use your life savings to go along with that advice. Because that is what this is. Advice. Never under any circumstances use your real life money to make life changing decisions based upon the advice of strangers on the internet no matter how great their avatar is or how good their advice "sounds" to you.




Always.....always....ALWAYS....double check any advice you are given from anywhere with experts.



Internet, articles, friends, family, etc etc. Sometimes even experts themselves! If the amount involved is more than what you can reasonably afford to lose without suffering damage to your way of life you need to contact a professional and then (if it were me) I would contact another professional for a second opinion. Because the amount you spend on that second opinion will be far lower than the amount you stand to lose if that first opinion was wrong. Never be afraid to question the experts when it comes to your financial stability, but NEVER think that you know more than them despite any research you do on your own. This is their job and they may not get it right 100% of the time, but they are better at this than any google search or quick read article will do for you. More importantly if the second opinion does not match the first opinion then seek a third opinion if you feel the need to. It all about how safe you wanna be. Especially if you are not in a position to refill those savings at a reasonable rate. For me it is better to spend money making sure you are doing the right thing than taking a blind chance on shaky advice. Better that you spend a few hundred dollars or even a thousand dollars now than possibly lose several thousand later on bad advice. If the money you have took you years to earn then treat that like you could lose it in a moment. You will find that you are much better at handling that money then.



I apologize if any of this stuff contained "Well duh!" kind of information, but I have seen too many friends and family lose their asses over this kind of basic information. Also I apologize if I am overly paranoid with my advice. I am just the ultimate risk avoider. I never do anything with money without double or triple checking. From video games to investments. I always watch reviews and seek second opinions. I never do anything off the cuff when money is involved.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
As someone said above, I'm assuming youre debt free (except maybe a mortgage?).

- With that much loose money floating around, look at what debts you have at what %. Pay off anything in the stratosphere like credit card debts and anything 10% or more. Even 6-7% or more. What you want to do is invest in shit making more profit % than your debts %. Mortgages and car loans are probably at 2% or less now, so it's a pretty low bar to beat. Now if mortgages shot up to 5% like 15 years ago during $100 barrel of oil, then you might want to look into paying that off because trying to beat 5% isnt that easy

- Assuming you dont have anything crazy like that on a reoccurring balance, you got two main options. Markets or real estate

- For markets, you got stocks or funds. For real estate you go the landlord route.

- Stocks are riskier, but can be a quick flip for profit or dumping. Real estate, nobody is flipping it in a week. Buy and hold for years. More stable, but it's years and you might get a shit tenant. If you have no tolerance for deadbeats or people punching holes in your wall, avoid being a landlord. It can be a pain in the ass (felt it)

- Sounds like you arent that old, so if you go stocks (I never do funds), pick a mix of risky (tech and growth), so-so risky, and boring dividend payout companies (banks, utility companies)

- A good dividend yield I'd say is around 4%. But 3-5% is good. These kinds of big companies wont gyrate like Tesla, but they are more predictable and pay you something every quarter. Dont get tempted with weird ones where it look like it pays 12%. There's probably a reason for that like the stock is crashing because it sucks and soon the company will cut the dividend in half. For dividend payers, look for ones that makes lots of profits to cover the dividend (cash flow ratio). The bigger the buffer, the higher chance they'll keep the dividend. You dont want sketchy companies where they are hurting for money and their dividend payout is more than profits and cashflow. That's begging to be slashed and when it does the stock will probably drop 10-20% alone

- I'd avoid weird penny stocks, broke biotech companies hoping they got a miracle drug and shit like that. If you do roll the dice, dont put a lot into it. Maybe $5000 here or there tops since you got a big bank roll to play with

- If you still arent sure, look for companies with low Beta scores. Under 1 means the stock barely moves. The lower the number the elss the stock price moves. Find profitable companies good dividends with a low Beta if you are risk averse

- But if you go the real estate route, you can wait for it to be built from the ground up (can take years), or you buy something up and running now. Buying pre-built (assuming you live in a good real estate area), will make you money later, but you got to wait years for it to be worth it to build and more time to cash out. The current property I have being built will be 4 years by the time it's up. I'm up $200,000 on it already (before costs below), but it's a slog waiting. You also got to put down anywhere from 10-25% down payments (which you got). Real estate has lots of buying and selling costs factored into when countering the equity and profit gains. If a place goes up $100,000. Thats sounds awesome until you factor in commission, capital gains tax etc..... then it ends up being maybe $40,000.

- If you go the real estate route, make sure to find a mortgage broker and let him scope out the deals for you. You'll never get a better deal at a bank walking in. The posted rates they have are junk and meant for people who dont know better and just sign up with the person sitting at the desk. The broker will scope out and discuss with you the best combo of rates and penalty fees (which you want to minimize). If you can score a mortgage with the lowest rate AND least penalization fees, you scored. You can always backstab your broker and take the best plan you get from him and walk into your bank saying match or beat it. They might say yes. But your broker will never talk to you again though

- With such low mortgage rates, I'd lock in a rate. Next year when I renew my mortgage (in Canada, people do 1, 3 or 5 yr terms, with most people probably choosing 25 year amortization period), I'm locking in a 5 year. People I know now getting mortgages are getting 1.5%. I dont think it can get lower. So I'm hoping the rate sticks for another half year.

- If you are totally risk averse and want to put money away in an account. I'm assuming you are going putting in in high interest savings accounts. Right now, there should be ones paying 1%. When the economy picks up and rates eventually go up, my savings account was 3%. It cratered during covid like all rates. You typically have to find secondary banks for this. Find good ones and ones with guaranteed default. I do mine through a Manitoba credit union because that province has guaranteed payback on funds if somehow it goes broke. While the big banks here in Ontario only insure I think $100,000 per person.
 
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Celcius

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As someone who's been in your shoes before, here's my advice to you OP: Don't put your money into anything that you don't understand completely. Take your time to understand the options first, then decide if it's something that you want to do. At the end of the day you earned it and you should decide what to do with it.
 
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Mistake

Member
I think investing now is extremely tricky between inflation and everything else going on. Best I can say, is if you decide to go to any company like Fidelity, shop around. I got some piss poor advice from those places in the past, and would have been better off doing it myself.
 

BigBooper

Member
Easy mode is to invest it into index funds like VTI or VOO. Set it and forget it. If this will be your retirement fund and you won'tneed the money for a long time, maybe look into doing it through a Roth IRA.
 

MaestroMike

Gold Member
Dont try to get rich quick. go slow and steady play it safe with well known boring companies that have a long history of stable earnings and profit. Stay away from companies that haven't been around too long or has too much hype in the media or social media. Talk to a financial advisor. Read warren buffets biography and the intelligent investor and learn how to read financials.

most importantly focus on exercising (cardio/endurance, low intensity high volume) and eating healthy so you can make it to the finish line and see how much you amassed money isn't everything take care of your friends and family
 
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HoodWinked

Member
Fuck ya dude. The most difficult part is knowing to start. I didn't have this realization until much later in life.

So there are two accounts you will want to make on fidelity.

Roth IRA and a standard individual brokerage account.

Since you are joining Fidelity make sure to use the sign up code for a free $100.


For the Roth IRA max that out at $6000 (but put $5900 I think the bonus may get deposited there so you don't want to go over) and then max it out every year.

For the rest of the money you can deposit into your individual brokerage account.

Now that the funds are deposited in the accounts you can buy stocks, ETFs, mutual funds, etc.

I'd stick with a ETF which tracks the S&P500 $VOO or the total stock market $VTI. These are generally pretty safe and even outperform funds that are managed by professionals.

I think the other options people are giving are good like real estate and land but those will take time to learn and understand while setting up the investment account will stick with you for a lifetime and only takes a couple days to setup.
 

WoJ

Member
Open an account at Vanguard and buy VTSAX. Or if you are dead set on Fidelity buy VTI instead. Each year move the max you can into a Roth IRA. Just let it grow and you'll thank me in 30 years.

If you are dead set on getting an advisor look at NAPFA, Garrett Planning Network or XY Planning network. Outside of those groups I wouldn't trust most advisors.
 

Mohonky

Member
I should probably look into this sort of thing. I am doing a degree atm but have enough money in the bank to pay it off out right and still have a home deposit; but I have it just sitting in the bank in an interest account that is currently netting me absolutely fuck all interest due to the economy but I have no knowledge of investing.

I was thinking of investing in a home to rent out but with study now I don't think I earn enough to take on a loan and I missed the board on real estate as it's all gone stupid right now.
 
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Cyberpunkd

Member
Yep passive income would be a good idea too. Rentals etc.
Depends where you live, what are the market characteristics and what are your obligations as a landlord, tenants’ protection laws, etc. You had people on this forum owning rents units is California mentioning how difficult it is to evict non-paying residents.

OP - the easiest way seems to be ETFs and a emergency fund you cannot lose (is there something guaranteed by the government where you live?). If you are ok with more volatility look at investment funds focused on one specific industry or market segment you personally feel strongly about e.g. renewables.
 

daveonezero

Banned
Depends where you live, what are the market characteristics and what are your obligations as a landlord, tenants’ protection laws, etc. You had people on this forum owning rents units is California mentioning how difficult it is to evict non-paying residents.

OP - the easiest way seems to be ETFs and a emergency fund you cannot lose (is there something guaranteed by the government where you live?). If you are ok with more volatility look at investment funds focused on one specific industry or market segment you personally feel strongly about e.g. renewables.
True. It isn’t the best time to do rentals. But getting the money on something that is a passive income not an investment would be a good idea.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I think it depends on your overall situation.

I earn a pretty coin and live beneath my means with no debt, so I am able to put a lot into my company's 403b retirement plan, pre-taxed, each paycheck (14%), my employer still offers a pension which is rare in my country, and I have Social Security to look forward to. So collectively that is my nest egg. So all of the other money I have left over ends up divided amongst a money market account, IRA, and basic savings, as to remain liquid if I need it. Usually $1k a month.

People in the US earning less, and without the benefit of a pension, would probably want to more aggressively invest in some kind of investments portfolio. Possibly balance their funds between something very aggressive and something moderate in times of market uncertainty.

Just glad I don't need to fuck with all that level of planning.
 

Braag

Member
I've saved up quite a bit of money to buy a house. Well, me and my GF are gonna get separate loans to buy the house as we both have our own savings. We just need to find the house we want to buy now, which has been way harder than we thought.
 

Raven117

Member
OP this is great news. You should be proud of yourself.

The simple advice is to contact a financial advisor. Sure you can give investing it yourself a shot, but it’s notoriously difficult to do this on your own and stay clear headed. Fidelity is not a bad place to start.

But really. Financial Advisor.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I think it depends on your overall situation.

I earn a pretty coin and live beneath my means with no debt, so I am able to put a lot into my company's 403b retirement plan, pre-taxed, each paycheck (14%), my employer still offers a pension which is rare in my country, and I have Social Security to look forward to. So collectively that is my nest egg. So all of the other money I have left over ends up divided amongst a money market account, IRA, and basic savings, as to remain liquid if I need it. Usually $1k a month.

People in the US earning less, and without the benefit of a pension, would probably want to more aggressively invest in some kind of investments portfolio. Possibly balance their funds between something very aggressive and something moderate in times of market uncertainty.

Just glad I don't need to fuck with all that level of planning.
I forget which pension is which, but your work offers people that legacy kind of pension plan where you retire and they are obligated to pay you $30 or $40k/yr for the rest of your life? If so, thats awesome.

I got the usual one where I contribute money to my RRSP and the company matches 5% max. And they put that money into some fund.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
I forget which pension is which, but your work offers people that legacy kind of pension plan where you retire and they are obligated to pay you $30 or $40k/yr for the rest of your life? If so, thats awesome.

I got the usual one where I contribute money to my RRSP and the company matches 5% max. And they put that money into some fund.
When I was younger, people asked me what I wanted to do in life, I said retired. Basically I took jobs that I didn't like to get a defined pension plan and now I'll retire at 51 with a full 6 figures risk free pension. Then I can do whatever I want (well I already do mostly) with money coming in for life.
 
The general advice is to put the money into rentals and/or the stock market. The problem is that we're currently kind of in an everything-bubble. Lately I've been cashing out a bit and just sitting on cash because I want to be able to aggressively buy once the market inevitably crashes. It's a bit speculative though, for all we know it could take another ten years for the market to crash. Central banks gonna print a quadrillion to keep things running.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
When I was younger, people asked me what I wanted to do in life, I said retired. Basically I took jobs that I didn't like to get a defined pension plan and now I'll retire at 51 with a full 6 figures risk free pension. Then I can do whatever I want (well I already do mostly) with money coming in for life.
6-figure annual pension? Holy shit. That's awesome.

The ones I hear about are friends and fam who are teachers or nurses and they say their expected Canada pension will be around $40k/yr assuming they keep working maxing out years and retire when it's time in their 60s. I dont know the exact way it works, but know they said if you try to retire early the amount gets clawed back a lot, so you got to keep chugging till your 60s to max it out.
 
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I was waiting patiently for this 😂 a new IROC would have also sufficed. Although this is bolstering my theory that the people that save a lot are kinda dull lol.
On a serious note, a good 2 way system will drown out your sorrows and make you forget everything about the shitty day that you just had. You just need to have neighbors that don't bitch about the noise.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
6-figure annual pension? Holy shit. That's awesome.

The ones I hear about are friends and fam who are teachers or nurses and they say their expected Canada pension will be around $40k/yr assuming they keep working maxing out years and retire when it's time in their 60s. I dont know the exact way it works, but know they said if you try to retire early the amount gets clawed back a lot, so you got to keep chugging till your 60s to max it out.
Not in my case, our union negociated a bridge in the last contract so I'm getting the CPP equivalent as an additionnal bonus until 65. This is an extra to my normal pension. Us it's 2.1% per year worked, no penalty when age+years of service equals 80.
 
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I follow the 70/20/10 principal:

- 70% of liquid funds into an interest-bearing account that is fundamentally secure (savings account at a credit union, bonds, etc.)
- 20% in blue chip stocks / stable crypto coins / mutual funds
- 10% gamble with penny stocks/alt-coins

For example: I have my "emergency savings" of $7000 in a credit union savings account, $2000 in a mutual fund, and $1000 to use for penny stocks/alt-coin "gambling" (in this example starting with $10k savings)
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I forget which pension is which, but your work offers people that legacy kind of pension plan where you retire and they are obligated to pay you $30 or $40k/yr for the rest of your life? If so, thats awesome.

I got the usual one where I contribute money to my RRSP and the company matches 5% max. And they put that money into some fund.

Yes, as of now, if I were retirement age and retired they'd pay me something like $1,390 USD after any kind of tax a month for something like fifteen years. It's not like a cop pension that lasts for life. If I left the company amicably or was laid off I would get a certain percentage of what I am owed now.

I also have a 403b retirement fund, the one I mentioned I put 14% of each check into pre-taxed. My employer also matches up to 6% of my salary contributions by 50%. Yea, I know, weird math.
 
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