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What is good music?

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Megafoo Chavez

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So I’m sitting here tonight thinking of this very question. What is good music? Well, you can't answer that question because what is good is in the eye of the beholder. Well, what is real music then? I could only come up with examples. When I listen to Kurt Cobain sing All Apologies. I feel his pain. You feel it. Compared to say...Papa Roach's Last Resort. I don't feel anything when I listen to that. Sure, I can vibe with it, but it feels very fake. Hell, take Alanis Morissette singing You oughta know. You can just feel that fucking song, it feels real, regardless if you can relate with it.

I don't know. I'll never know. Somebody answer some fucking questions!!! GOD!!! GOOOOOOODDDDD!!!!!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU NOW?!?!?!
 

Tarazet

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To answer the question of what good music is, you first have to answer this question:

What does music do?

It's hard to say, actually.
 

White Man

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sonarrat said:
To answer the question of what good music is, you first have to answer this question:

What does music do?

It's hard to say, actually.

In the words of Oscar Wilde, "All art is quite useless."
 

Diablos

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Loki

Count of Concision
sonarrat said:
To answer the question of what good music is, you first have to answer this question:

What does music do?

It's hard to say, actually.

Hah, I'm not sure if it was intentional, but this is actually a rephrasing of Aristotle's line of inquiry regarding "the good life"-- to find out what a "good" man does (or what a "good life" entails), you first have to ask, "what is the purpose of a man" (i.e., "what does man do"), or some such. At least I seem to recall him stating such a thing-- it's been so many years. :p :)


If it was intentional on your part (and you can say it was even if it wasn't and earn major geek points here :D), then you get props. :p
 

Tarazet

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Loki said:
Hah, I'm not sure if it was intentional, but this is actually a rephrasing of Aristotle's line of inquiry regarding "the good life"-- to find out what a "good" man does (or what a "good life" entails), first you have to ask, "what is the purpose of a man," or some such. At least I recall him stating such a thing. :)


If it was intentional on your part (and you can say it was even if it wasn't and earn major geek points here :D), then you get props. :p

It was unintentional, but I'm glad you drew up that parallel. I love these kinds of thoughts.

If I had never been born, the world wouldn't have been exactly the same for anyone I have ever run into, whether they talked with me, accidentally bumped into me, or simply saw me as a flash out of the corner of their eye as I walked by. I am deeply, dizzyingly important although I'm usually completely unaware of it - as we all are.

But if we were all wiped out by a comet, then the whole hierarchy of importance we have would vanish into nothingness...
 
A good tune: I don't really know what makes good music with any certainty, but for me - melody, counter-melody, and sometimes deliberately defying the conventions of what make a melody sound 'right' for effect... these are what make great songs. The beat, the tune. If thats good it doesn't matter what the fuck the words are. You could leave them out in fact. Good music is as good as a good picture. It is received by an equally powerful human sense... the product can be worth a thousand words. It can be worth feeling.


Two things in modern music piss me off: over-commercialisation, and music snobs.

Commercialisation: I'm less inclined to feel anything toward a song if it's released tomorrow, but its rehashing Seattle grunge circa early 1990s. Every time something new comes along, and is good because its different, the music industry commodofies it, repackages it and sells it for generation upon generation. They commodofied the hippy movement, repackaged it for indie-kids, they commodofied goths. People tried to create their own little cliques, and got bought out, imitated and completely out-done. Even me, a radiohead fan, can see how brit-falsetto bands have been isolated and promoted right up the ass of radio listeners everywhere -- who, y'know, maybe didn't want it to be turned into a conveyor belt of bands and rammed down their throats?...

which brings me onto..

Music snobs: You are not any more cooler than anyone else because you listen to death-metal rather than pop music. Neither are you cooler for prefering pop, crazy electronica, techno or whatever other genre you choose. It's all been bought...

Record companies, rather than selling you the songs themselves, sell you on:
the lifestyle, the music genres themselves and so forth. They even sell you this snobbery that allows you to feel your music is the best, and you are more elite than anyone else because of it. It's fucking bullshit.


Such a thing as objectively good music?

I believe there is such a thing as good music. I think you can objectively decide if something sounds good or not. Why people can't just be open minded, rather than wear the hippy/goth/trendy/faux-gangsta/<whatever> uniform and stop preaching their shit to everyone else... it's just totally beyond me. I'm tired of snobby music drones. Music should be able to fill your world in all sorts of forms.

People lambast pop because bad artists can succeed on their looks/image alone... I think the same thing happens in every genre of music in one way or another. "It's all about the music maaaan". IS IT?
 

Tarazet

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radioheadrule83 said:
Such a thing as objectively good music?

I believe there is such a thing as good music.

In the late 19th century, after the fall of the Japanese feudal system, a famous Japanese musician was brought to Europe and was treated by his hosts to a symphony concert. Despite the fact that he was well-known as a performer in his country, he knew absolutely nothing of Western music. He sat politely as the orchestra played, and applauded with the rest of the audience.

When asked afterwards what he liked best, he said, "I liked the first part." The host asked, "oh, so you liked the first movement of the Beethoven?" "No," he replied, "The part before that." That is - when the orchestra was tuning up.

Standards are different...
 
You're talking about a man who would have never heard that kind of thing before...
We qualify media by our knowledge and experience of our own culture. I think someone from one culture offering his feelings on something from another, that could still be objective from his point of view with regards what he has known in his life. Whilst others in the audience from the culture of origin can qualify the actual movements of the piece as the objectively good part. I don't think anyone is in error there. And of course there is such thing as taste, and people finding different things palletable.

What I meant though, is that people today don't really have any taste at all. I think that people now, in this often lauded "information age", have access to so much amazing stuff -- but rather than immersing themselves in as much as they can and honestly developing their own tastes, they buy whatever the record industry is selling and stubbornly stick to it. That's their perogative, but I think it's a real shame. I'm not saying I'm some kind of music afficionado who listens to everything he can and has absolutely no prejudices. But if I hear something, I'll try to be objective. If it sounds good, I'll like it.

I also think that you can not particularly like something but still recognise it as technically good. And by that I mean, you might go by the merits of the performer, his/her skills, or how appealing it might be to people of a given culture or experience etc. Just as there are songs I don't like in all sorts of genres, I can still see why a lot of people like them.
 

karasu

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I agree with Hendrix, though I'm sure someone will come in here and bash his technique and go on about some obscure Jazz player. :/
 

Ford Prefect

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Good music lifts you up. It's that simple. I often believe that the music I like is the best music there is (at least in rock), and many people would agree with me, but all music is really subjective. People with the same tastes as myself would agree that there is no music better than The Beatles, Super Furry Animals, and other pure, uncorrupted rock 'n roll, but I'm guessing that despite how commercialized and mindless other music might be, like death metal and pop-punk, it does to its fans what my favorite bands do for me.

So it's all subjective. It's just what lifts you up; makes you want to go on living.
 

Iceman

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My theory: Any tune can be tweaked to the point that it is universally regarded as "good." This not only includes the melody, but it includes the choice of instruments, the octaves used, the vocals and also the word selection. There are thousands of choices made in the creation of any song. It's as much an evolution as anything is. The time of a recording is only a snapshot in the evolution of that song. Some bands can continue to evolve a song long after it has been crystallized on an album and make it sound better.

See anything done by Caedmon's Call*. Master tweakers. They have a collective ear for what is universally acceptable as good. Because of that they don't make bad songs. Switchfoot and Jimmy Eat World also have attitudes that give them a formula for making good songs.. with Switchfoot's "the song is king" (as opposed to the album is king) and JEW's willingness to sacrifice anything in a prospective song.

Of course, on the other hand, anything can be overdone or overproduced.

Emotion - emoting, really feeling it is certainly part of the formula for making a song sound good, but I think that a band/songwriter committed to tweaking a song to perfection will necessarily convey that emotion in the end.

*They had one song on their last album (Back Home) that I only thought was okay, "Walk With Me." But when I heard them in concert they had totally transformed the song into one of the greatest live performances I've ever heard... I think they lost the electic guitar-kept the bass-and focused on the percussion (IIRC).
 

kevm3

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Good music is something that sounds nice to the ear. No need to make it philosophical and try to break down stuff when there ain't nothing there...

What's good music?
Earth, Wind and Fire
The Delphonics
Marvin Gaye
Sam Cooke
etc...
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
there is no genuine good music. it's all up to the person hearing it.

my definition of simply pure, good music....and no, not even tool makes this list:

The Doors
Van Morrison
Simon and Garfunkel
Pink Floyd
Steve Miller Band
Bob Dylan
James Taylor
Neil Young
Hendrix
America
Doobie Brothers
Journey
Zeppelin


Those are basically about the only bands that I can listen to, no matter what, and think "god, this is such good music." And it's for anyone. Tool is my favorite band, yeah. But they're an acquired taste. The bands I listed....it's just pure goodness to your ears.
 

hXc_thugg

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kevm3 said:
Good music is something that sounds nice to the ear. No need to make it philosophical and try to break down stuff when there ain't nothing there...

Your opinion no longer matters in relation to anything, I hope you're proud of yourself.
 
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