What is the point of North Korea?

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* Photoshop material

* Hilarious Parker/Stone movie villains

* Hot police women

* To remind the Chinese how horrible China was just 50 years ago and the danger of a "left" dictator. I am being serious for this one, speaking as a Chinese.
 
To make this piece of shit splooge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Cao_de_Benos_de_Les_y_Pérez
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C76HqPaA6kw

If we're lucky a certain poster will tell an awesome stuff related to this dipshit.
 
Kayo-kun said:
Hmm... that's hard to find out now isn't it
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It is very difficult to find out because of the nature of the way the government there operates. Data on North Korea cannot be trusted 100%. Demographers can only estimate North Korean demographics.

The number most go on is almost 24 million, though.
 
Spokker said:
It is very difficult to find out because of the nature of the way the government there operates. Data on North Korea cannot be trusted 100%. Demographers can only estimate North Korean demographics.

The number most go on is almost 24 million, though.
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How does that compare to the south?
 
filler said:
How does that compare to the south?
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In this case, Kayo-kun's snarky, sarcastic comment applies, but almost 49 million ;)

Population density is probably more helpful in comparing the two nations. South Korea's population density is about double North Korea's. They are practically the same size in land area, though the North is a bit larger.
 
Spokker said:
In this case, Kayo-kun's snarky, sarcastic comment applies, but almost 49 million ;)

Population density is probably more helpful in comparing the two nations. South Korea's population density is about double North Korea's. They are practically the same size in land area, though the North is a bit larger.
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From the pictures I've seen of the North, it looks mostly empty there. The only time you see large groups of people, is when the military is marching or having some type of tribute for great leader.
 
filler said:
From the pictures I've seen of the North, it looks mostly empty there. The only time you see large groups of people, is when the military is marching or having some type of tribute for great leader.
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We'll know more when Google gets around to putting North Korea on Street View.

But just a cursory glance at satellite views shows that Pyongyang has less vehicle traffic than an American suburb.

In contrast, here's Seoul, where you actually see cars bunch up at stop lights.
 
AntiTout said:
It's like he's talking about some animals, read the quote again.
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It is not unreasonable to wonder whether or not North Korea has culture. Their culture is pretty much whatever the government allows. It's hard to say whether or not the culture would be different if the people were free.

The examples I gave ere most likely just for show on the part of the government. I doubt the average person in North Korea cares about culture when they are hungry.
 
Spokker said:
It is not unreasonable to wonder whether or not North Korea has culture. Their culture is pretty much whatever the government allows. It's hard to say whether or not the culture would be different if the people were free.
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Like in the USA, generalization much? I don't
 
AntiTout said:
Like in the USA, generalization much? I don't
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The United States is much more free than North Korea. I don't know many things in life, but this is one thing I know.

Though if that is your argument, I would tip my hat to you for attempting it. That's definitely hard mode right there.
 
AntiTout said:
It's like he's talking about some animals, read the quote again.
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Authoritarian regimes clamp down on free thinkers, artists and intellectuals, and suppress any and every form of expression. This is especially acute in regimes that revolve around a cult of personality. In these countries, the leader is the only absolute truth. In order to maintain that enigma, the police state apparatus (secret intelligence agencies, police force) is deployed to monitor any form of cultural expression, and severely restrict it unless it portrays the leader in a larger than life persona. It's not that far fetched to assume true artistic cultural expression in NK being completely destroyed by its government.
 
Spokker said:
It is not unreasonable to wonder whether or not North Korea has culture. Their culture is pretty much whatever the government allows. It's hard to say whether or not the culture would be different if the people were free.

The examples I gave ere most likely just for show on the part of the government. I doubt the average person in North Korea cares about culture when they are hungry.
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Of course they have culture. Korea has a unified country has a culture that goes back 5000 years. North Korea's culture is basically warped and stuck in the past, but I think what the guy means was that humans all have culture and art; it's something that comes naturally and is not taught, that's what sets us apart from animals.
Authoritarian regimes clamp down on free thinkers, artists and intellectuals, and suppress any and every form of expression. This is especially acute in regimes that revolve around a cult of personality. In these countries, the leader is the only absolute truth. In order to maintain that enigma, the police state apparatus (secret intelligence agencies, police force) is deployed to monitor any form of cultural expression, and severely restrict it unless it portrays the leader in a larger than life persona. It's not that far fetched to assume true artistic cultural expression in NK being completely destroyed by its government.
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I think repressed would be a better word than destroyed in this case.
 
AntiTout said:
Go on, share the knowledge, my eyes are open.
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RustyNails and Count pretty much said what I would.

Totalitarian governments monopolise the time, possessions, and sentiments of their population, and control to a fiendish degree what can be publicly expressed.

You can't find conditions more inimical to artistic culture.
 
Count Dookkake said:
Art often relies on subjectivity. Authoritarianism tends not to allow for subjectivity.

Cry more.
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Hence why they had to kidnap a South Korean Director and import the team from Toho to make a shitty Godzilla knockoff (which featured the tyrannical King being destroyed)!

I have a book of North Korean Propaganda posters and it's the most dead type of art you've ever seen. Yes, there are pictures and colors, but it just looks so dead and bereft of any life.
 
ramyeon said:
Of course they have culture. Korea has a unified country has a culture that goes back 5000 years. North Korea's culture is basically warped and stuck in the past, but I think what the guy means was that humans all have culture and art; it's something that comes naturally and is not taught, that's what sets us apart from animals.
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But isn't that the argument? Korea has culture. South Korea has culture. But is North Korea's culture valid when it is tainted by the cult of personality of Kim Jong-il? Should we even call it culture? This is not a government with any sort of humanity in it.

That's what I was thinking when I read the question.
 
Spokker said:
It is not unreasonable to wonder whether or not North Korea has culture. Their culture is pretty much whatever the government allows. It's hard to say whether or not the culture would be different if the people were free.

The examples I gave ere most likely just for show on the part of the government. I doubt the average person in North Korea cares about culture when they are hungry.
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Replace NK with USA, France or Mali, not because we're hungry but because we just live.
I'm not and you are on another cultural level because I/you can use all the communication tools, it doesn't make our education better.

What I'm trying to say here, is that there is some genius mathematician in North Korea who studied with a minimum of books and teachers, and a child here who have 6 teachers, whocan only play with some tablets or smartphones.
Excuse my French
 
AntiTout said:
What I'm trying to say here, is that there is some genius mathematician in North Korea
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He has my pity.

Are you copying and pasting responses from a DPRK forum? I used to love those forums.
 
AntiTout said:
Replace NK with USA, France or Mali, not because we're hungry but because we just live.
I'm not and you are on another cultural level because I/you can use all the communication tools, it doesn't make our education better.
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It's not entirely about education. It's also about a stringent channeling and stifling of personal expression.

And substituting the predicament of people in another country for that of North Koreans is pointless.
 
Salazar said:
RustyNails and Count pretty much said what I would.

Totalitarian governments monopolise the time, possessions, and sentiments of their population, and control to a fiendish degree what can be publicly expressed.

You can't find conditions more inimical to artistic culture.
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What do you think about this article?
http://www.alternet.org/story/151850/8_reasons_young_americans_don%27t_fight_back_--_how_the_us_crushed_youth_resistance?page=entire

Spokker said:
Are you copying and pasting responses from a DPRK forum? I used to love those forums.
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No.
 
Salazar said:
That it is largely dribble.
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I think it's not, you brung the totalitarian argument. Even if the USA are not comparable to North Korea.
Read the article then share your knowledge.
Thanks.
 
TehOh said:
In addition to Nothing to Envy (which is an amazing, amazing book) and the National Geography documentary, those who want to learn more about North Korea should also watch:

The Cleanest Race

Both are incredibly interesting and eye-opening.
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Thanks so much for this link. Really, really interesting and informative stuff. I recommend everyone who skipped over this to go check it out now (even though it runs over an hour long).
 
AntiTout said:
What do you think about this article?
http://www.alternet.org/story/151850/8_reasons_young_americans_don%27t_fight_back_--_how_the_us_crushed_youth_resistance?page=entire
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Those eight things are all well known and I speak out against some of them (except TV because TV is the best thing ever). But the solution is not to do as the idiots in the article's accompanying photo do.

But the fact that you are allowed to even distribute that article says a lot about the difference between North Korea and the United States.
 
Spokker said:
But isn't that the argument? Korea has culture. South Korea has culture. But is North Korea's culture valid when it is tainted by the cult of personality of Kim Jong-il? Should we even call it culture? This is not a government with any sort of humanity in it.

That's what I was thinking when I read the question.
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A lot of Koreans would admit that North Korea's culture is more traditional. Having never been there myself, it's hard to say. North Koreans say the exact same thing about South Korea though, that it's been corrupted by Western culture.

EDIT: I'm not saying North Korea is fine, far from it. I've seen the docos and recently read Nothing to Envy and it's extremely depressing; but to say they have no culture is a bit wrong I think.
 
AntiTout said:
I think it's not, you brung the totalitarian argument. Even if the USA are not comparable to North Korea.
Read the article then share your knowledge.
Thanks.
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I read the article. Those conditions are not inimical to artistic or intellectual culture. They do not monopolise the time, sentiments, or possessions of a population in remotely the same way or degree as does a totalitarian government such as the one in power in NK.

A democratic state just can't get that shit done. You have to smoke a lot of weed to think it gets close.
 
I still think the Mass Games are a uniquely amazing thing North Korea creates. The no-tech 'video wall' alone is astonishing. A State of Mind on Netflix is a pretty amazing look at this whole process (I'm not entirely convinced you could pull off the Mass Games in a country that's not horribly fucked up, just because of the wide-scale groupthink required). It's also deeply depressing to realize the relatively humble circumstances the people in that documentary live in are essentially mega-elite for their country.

Also if you want to rage, I recommend Seoul Train, which shows why escaping North Korea into China isn't really an option for the common man.
 
AntiTout said:
Are you from the USA?
"EVEN" like animals? Or do you consider yourself like an animal too?
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Everything I would have to say to this has been said by Sal, Spok, and Count. However, in one thread, you have missed my point twice.

The only thing wrong with the art question was the two 'have' I put in there. Which is what happens when you trying to type at a red light.
 
Will there ever be a day where South Korea takes over North Korea or something along those lines where Korea can become one?
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I can't answer the other questions but no this is not how the world works sadly =(

I wish everyone or every countries could be fuck awesome, but noooo some fucking guy or some shit is going to ruin it.
 
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