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What non-gimmick games would benefit from the Revolution controller?
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Suburban Cowboy
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if nintendo was smart they would make sure to have a killer fps, racer, and strategy game. Especially a killer fps.
Wouldnt it be sic if they tweaked the downloadable version of goldeneye to implement the features of the new controller? Hell, even Geist 2 may do.
Wouldnt it be sic if they tweaked the downloadable version of goldeneye to implement the features of the new controller? Hell, even Geist 2 may do.
blackadde said:
i understand where you are coming from, but the basic truth is... most RTS games function just fine without the hot keys. They are built that way, just about every RTS i have ever seen has a mouse driven way to do just about anything... it's not as as fast, but it works..
on the other hand, a control pad just doesn't work... so the rev, with RTS games built for mouse style control would be a massive step up over control pads. the biggest reason you need those hotkeys is because you have to use them to compete... if nobody else had them and everybody was relying on mouse control, it would not matter as much... also don't forget, don't forget the rev controller gives you access to about 8 easy button presses when you consider the D-pad, that covers several crucial functions right there.
they would need to be designed differently, but they would work, and they would probably be fun.
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i personally think FPS will also benefit from the controller .. but it still remains to be seen.
AndoCalrissian
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I'm not sure how many console RTS titles support a keyboard, but one thing to note in that regard is that the Revolution controller comes standard and is wireless.
I also really want to have a FPS with a knife that you can make the appropriate motions with, i.e. stabbing, slicing, and slashing. Too bad Jack Thompson would personally try to destroy every Revo controller if that actually happened.
Not only that, but rolls could also work: just draw a circle the way you want to roll and voila! Or putting your back to a wall: tilt the controller back towards you so its veritcal. Crouch: make a sharp downward jab.masud said:
I also really want to have a FPS with a knife that you can make the appropriate motions with, i.e. stabbing, slicing, and slashing. Too bad Jack Thompson would personally try to destroy every Revo controller if that actually happened.
Suburban Cowboy said:
Whahah! I would rather have a new DOOM game using the DOOM3 engine that makes use of the revmote. It doesn't have to be developed by Id, but by a second party. Call it, I don't know, DOOM 3: The Lunar Missions. It takes place on the moon in an underground military base. Demons EVERY WHERE and you blow shit up! The Rock lends his voice to the game.
MILLION SELLER +1!!!!!! LOL AM I RITE?
AndoCalrissian
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Vieo said:
Meh, just release Quake IV, or Enemy Territory: Quake Wars depending on the launch schedule vs. Rev. Nintendo should be contacting FPS makers (id, Valve, Free Radical, Criterion, Crytek, Activision, and whoever makes Unreal) this very instant.
Mr. Lemming
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Pilotwings which should work very well with the controller and Waverace which should also work very well with the controller... especially since the N64 game could be played one handed.
I'll respond to a few concerns.
FPS: No brainer.
RTS: As a pointing device, the controller is BETTER than a mouse. It can pick up lateral movements in 3D space as well as tilts, that'd let you do shit you wouldn't even think about in a traditional RTS.
Additionally, for people bitching about keys, the first thing I imagined was a small num-pad add-on to the remote that gave the user all of the hotkeys they'd need.
I'd hope something more intuitive could be accomplished, since if no one gets hotkeys then it's a level playing field.
Racing: Anyone else see the steering wheel photoshop mockup? Imagine if that thing drew some power from the remote to offer decent force feedback? Or also had a simple plastic setting stand behind it with a bearing that let you rotate the whole thing easily. Then you'd get your tactile response and feedback for minimal manufacturing cost. It'd be easy to do.
Sports: Just do the motion instead of hit the button, easy.
Rail Shooters: Easy answer. Far superior to pads
Rhythm games I think are among the most likely to improve. Suddenly any drumming game, beatmania (see numpad), and a number of visualizer games like Rez and Freq/Amplitude would be great.
RPGs: the controller proves most RPGs could be played with one hand anyway. I'd love to be able to eat a sandwich while playing FF.
Any takers for telling me I'm wrong?
FPS: No brainer.
RTS: As a pointing device, the controller is BETTER than a mouse. It can pick up lateral movements in 3D space as well as tilts, that'd let you do shit you wouldn't even think about in a traditional RTS.
Additionally, for people bitching about keys, the first thing I imagined was a small num-pad add-on to the remote that gave the user all of the hotkeys they'd need.
I'd hope something more intuitive could be accomplished, since if no one gets hotkeys then it's a level playing field.
Racing: Anyone else see the steering wheel photoshop mockup? Imagine if that thing drew some power from the remote to offer decent force feedback? Or also had a simple plastic setting stand behind it with a bearing that let you rotate the whole thing easily. Then you'd get your tactile response and feedback for minimal manufacturing cost. It'd be easy to do.
Sports: Just do the motion instead of hit the button, easy.
Rail Shooters: Easy answer. Far superior to pads
Rhythm games I think are among the most likely to improve. Suddenly any drumming game, beatmania (see numpad), and a number of visualizer games like Rez and Freq/Amplitude would be great.
RPGs: the controller proves most RPGs could be played with one hand anyway. I'd love to be able to eat a sandwich while playing FF.
Any takers for telling me I'm wrong?
Onix said:
Zuh? You kidding
Not that I wouldn't love to see a box in a store labelled "Analog Stick Attachment" only for the pad to have a D-Pad instead of an analog stick.
I think one D-pad is enough, don't you? Wouldn't you rather have analog lateral movement for, you know, creeping?
AndoCalrissian
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monkeyrun said:
Fighters could perhaps see a fluidity the likes of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
i was thinking with madden....we already have the vision cone. maybe they can use the pointer feature to control the vision cone and have the analog joystick as the main source of control. the vision cone is annoying and sometimes hard to swing around....this would make it much easier and more accessible.
I know this is sort of a off-topic tangent, but:
NES
*NES games could be played one handed since the D-PAD, A & B buttons are all accessible when held vertically.
*Or, if turned on it's side (traditionally) and held with both hands it can be played like an old fasioned NES pad.
SNES
*If they add little x & y buttons with the a & b buttons near the bottom of the controller you could easily map out the SNES's controls to the remote-controller when it's held on it's side (traditionally) just as you would NES games. L & R can be handled by tilting left or right or they could add those buttons with a, b, x, y face buttons (basically making it a 6 face button controller which would kill those crying about playing SF).
N64
**With the analog attachment you can play any N64 game:
-analog::analog
-Z1::L/Z
-Z2::R
-A::A
-B::B
-D-PAD::C-Buttons
GCN
***Absolutly requires the "normal" shell to play games.
****Or, another option is to use existing GCN controllers thru GCN BC ports on the side of the Revolution deck.
* = remote-controller only
** = with analog attachment
*** = with "normal" shell
**** = GCN controller
So really, the "normal" shell may not be as critical as some think...that is if they add enough buttons to play SNES games with just the remote-controller. If they do, NES, SNES & N64 could all easily be played without the "normal" shell.
NES
*NES games could be played one handed since the D-PAD, A & B buttons are all accessible when held vertically.
*Or, if turned on it's side (traditionally) and held with both hands it can be played like an old fasioned NES pad.
SNES
*If they add little x & y buttons with the a & b buttons near the bottom of the controller you could easily map out the SNES's controls to the remote-controller when it's held on it's side (traditionally) just as you would NES games. L & R can be handled by tilting left or right or they could add those buttons with a, b, x, y face buttons (basically making it a 6 face button controller which would kill those crying about playing SF).
N64
**With the analog attachment you can play any N64 game:
-analog::analog
-Z1::L/Z
-Z2::R
-A::A
-B::B
-D-PAD::C-Buttons
GCN
***Absolutly requires the "normal" shell to play games.
****Or, another option is to use existing GCN controllers thru GCN BC ports on the side of the Revolution deck.
* = remote-controller only
** = with analog attachment
*** = with "normal" shell
**** = GCN controller
So really, the "normal" shell may not be as critical as some think...that is if they add enough buttons to play SNES games with just the remote-controller. If they do, NES, SNES & N64 could all easily be played without the "normal" shell.
The short answer:
The long answer:
"You're a thief, and have just snuck into a museum. Looking around, you spy your prize: the priceless Pickle Picked by Peter Piper. You take out your trusty spray bottle and lightly mist the area around the priceless Pickle Picked by Peter Piper's pedestal, revealing security beams. You reach out, slowly and carefully, and lift the item off it's pedestal without touching a beam. But, it won't fit through the beams. Trying to pull it straight out would set off the alarm - the trick is to tip it off the pedestal, pull your hand back, and catch it as it falls off the side."
The long answer:
"You're a thief, and have just snuck into a museum. Looking around, you spy your prize: the priceless Pickle Picked by Peter Piper. You take out your trusty spray bottle and lightly mist the area around the priceless Pickle Picked by Peter Piper's pedestal, revealing security beams. You reach out, slowly and carefully, and lift the item off it's pedestal without touching a beam. But, it won't fit through the beams. Trying to pull it straight out would set off the alarm - the trick is to tip it off the pedestal, pull your hand back, and catch it as it falls off the side."
I'll bet you could make a damn cool snowboarding sim with that controller. The lockpicking system from Thief 3 would have been cool with it, too.
I think that as long as it's adequately responsive, it would work well with pretty much any game that calls for analog control. Games that involve lots of button mashing are more problematic, which is presumably why Nintendo is doing the shell. Or maybe they just want to get away from button mashing altogether. I can't help but think that there might be some interesting possibilities for doing fighting game interfaces with the remote, as long as you don't mind parting with the traditional four-button interface.
I think that as long as it's adequately responsive, it would work well with pretty much any game that calls for analog control. Games that involve lots of button mashing are more problematic, which is presumably why Nintendo is doing the shell. Or maybe they just want to get away from button mashing altogether. I can't help but think that there might be some interesting possibilities for doing fighting game interfaces with the remote, as long as you don't mind parting with the traditional four-button interface.
effzee said:
Not really into sports or sports games myself so I'm no authority on how they should be made/controlled. It's quite obvious that tennis, golf & baseball would instantly benifit from this new interface. I even theorized (in the past when I talked of dual gyro control, which BTW alot of people though I was crazy then, yet it came to fruition) about a Punch Out! game where you used two of them to "shaddow box" against an on-screen opponant...which would be killer.
However, when it comes to something as popular (and pivotally important) as Madden this new control interface doesn't really seem to fit (these are fears of alot of casuals I've shown the controller to). Your post makes a good case though:
-tilt control: QB veiw "cone"
-analog: player movement
-D-PAD: jukes, dives, stiff arms (this is cool 'cos you could do these in the opposite dirrection that you're actually running)
-Z1 & Z2: turbo, leaps
-A: change receiver selection (I know Madden isn't set up this way as each button is above each receiver, but this way the QB can use the veiw "cone" more effectivly to fake out defenders following the QB's eyes and then throw it to a receiver they're not looking at to throw them off)
-B: cock arm to throw, once the QB is in this mode the ball won't be released until B is released, makes strips, premature releases and accidental bad throws more realistic)
-B + tilt control: pump fake by not letting go of the B button or let go of the B button to release after you've done a passiong motion, you flick the controller slightly then that's a short toss, you put an arch on your motion and that's a deeper pass, etc.
Overall this makes the QB possition more realistic 'cos you have to follow the motions just as in real life: move (analog), scan the feild (tilt control), choose receiver (A), cock the arm (B), do a throwing motion (tilt control) then release the ball (release B) all while being able to use more strategic moves (D-PAD) to prevent getting sacked.
Tilt control could also be used for hand motions before the play starts (same thing with baseball) in order to call plays on the fly, do audibles or even call a time out out if you see blitz. Stiff arms can also be more intense with tilt control, when trying to make a catch you can use tilt control to reach out for them better and if you're carrying the ball the possition your holding the remote-controller can simulate how you're carrying the ball...closer to your body and craddled means less likely stripping/fumbling.
Thoughts?
Something I'm curious about is if the software can actually use the input properly. Let's say a tennis game, sure, you can have a swing for youe controller mean a swing in the game, but will it take into account your speed, strength and angle, and translate that into the game? If yes, then that's fantastic. If the control is simply uses that gesture to register the equivalent of pressing a button, then the whole situation is a gimmick.
Is it difficult to program that kind of freedom? Same thing applies to a sword fighting or potential light sabre game. Basically, can you process real time motion capture? If so, the possibilities are endless. If it's just a gesture system, then it's still possible to have some neat things, just less fantastic - possibly being a plain old gimmick.
That said, neat things are always possible - as long as the software houses come up with something. Metal Gear solid is perfectly possible, so long as Kojima wants to make something interesting. The question is will he? Even if Ports are possible that include some use of the wand, it's entirely possible porters just use it in a gimmicky or shoehorn type fashion, which is not at all good.
Is it difficult to program that kind of freedom? Same thing applies to a sword fighting or potential light sabre game. Basically, can you process real time motion capture? If so, the possibilities are endless. If it's just a gesture system, then it's still possible to have some neat things, just less fantastic - possibly being a plain old gimmick.
That said, neat things are always possible - as long as the software houses come up with something. Metal Gear solid is perfectly possible, so long as Kojima wants to make something interesting. The question is will he? Even if Ports are possible that include some use of the wand, it's entirely possible porters just use it in a gimmicky or shoehorn type fashion, which is not at all good.
DrLazy said:
well if im not mistaken, I believe EA was one of the first developers to comment on it and to claim "our sports games will most likely take advantage of it first".
so hopefully that means they will test it out with thier sports lineup. a unique madden might be a killer app for launch, considering how big the game is as is....and add in something diff/unique that might actually take off.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Suuuuure. But that still leaves things likePhoenix said:
Wheel > Revolution wand > All other standard controllers
jakershaker
Member
I'll bite. 
I cant understand how people can say that RTS and FPS will be so much better with the rev controller. Music games and slow sportgames, like Baseball or Golf where you can take it easy and time your shots, and games like Wario Ware should be amazing.
RPGs will be nice, I know I tested that Agetec one handed controller way back and this is much better. But I still think that RTS will suck pretty much as much as they did with a controller and I dont really see how FPSs will be that much better playing them with the rev controller?
I hope every kind of game is going to play ok but what I dont understand is people assuming that FPS/RTS will suddenly become much better, both these kinds of games is still Mouse+Key for the win and my 2c is that the rev controller wont change that.
I cant understand how people can say that RTS and FPS will be so much better with the rev controller. Music games and slow sportgames, like Baseball or Golf where you can take it easy and time your shots, and games like Wario Ware should be amazing.
RPGs will be nice, I know I tested that Agetec one handed controller way back and this is much better. But I still think that RTS will suck pretty much as much as they did with a controller and I dont really see how FPSs will be that much better playing them with the rev controller?
I hope every kind of game is going to play ok but what I dont understand is people assuming that FPS/RTS will suddenly become much better, both these kinds of games is still Mouse+Key for the win and my 2c is that the rev controller wont change that.
Juice said:I'll respond to a few concerns.
FPS: No brainer.
RTS: As a pointing device, the controller is BETTER than a mouse. It can pick up lateral movements in 3D space as well as tilts, that'd let you do shit you wouldn't even think about in a traditional RTS.
Additionally, for people bitching about keys, the first thing I imagined was a small num-pad add-on to the remote that gave the user all of the hotkeys they'd need.
I'd hope something more intuitive could be accomplished, since if no one gets hotkeys then it's a level playing field.
Racing: Anyone else see the steering wheel photoshop mockup? Imagine if that thing drew some power from the remote to offer decent force feedback? Or also had a simple plastic setting stand behind it with a bearing that let you rotate the whole thing easily. Then you'd get your tactile response and feedback for minimal manufacturing cost. It'd be easy to do.
Sports: Just do the motion instead of hit the button, easy.
Rail Shooters: Easy answer. Far superior to pads
Rhythm games I think are among the most likely to improve. Suddenly any drumming game, beatmania (see numpad), and a number of visualizer games like Rez and Freq/Amplitude would be great.
RPGs: the controller proves most RPGs could be played with one hand anyway. I'd love to be able to eat a sandwich while playing FF.
Any takers for telling me I'm wrong?
AndoCalrissian
Member
gblues said:
Sounds like somebody didn't watch the controller trailer.
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How about some sort of shoe attachment; controller in each hand, one on each foot - kickboxing game!
Anything that requires precision in screen positioning probably isn't going to work very well. The controller will be able to capture movement well, but anything that requires cursor positioning is going to be problematic. So RTS and FPS games are just about the least suitable genres.
I would have said that party-type games would dominate. But it does not appear that the system will support multiple controllers, does it?
I would have said that party-type games would dominate. But it does not appear that the system will support multiple controllers, does it?
Rouge Squadron including fps elements and on foot first person lightasabre battles. I would probably have a heart attack if this is announced.
If Lucas Arts / Nintendo release a flexable remote holder (think flight sim joystick) it could be used as a flight stick to control the x-wing, although there may not be enough buttons on the single remote for that.
If Lucas Arts / Nintendo release a flexable remote holder (think flight sim joystick) it could be used as a flight stick to control the x-wing, although there may not be enough buttons on the single remote for that.
SpoonyBard
Banned
Rhindle said:
Eh, people who have used it say it's more accurate than mouse.
jakershaker said:I'll bite.
I cant understand how people can say that RTS and FPS will be so much better with the rev controller. Music games and slow sportgames, like Baseball or Golf where you can take it easy and time your shots, and games like Wario Ware should be amazing.
RPGs will be nice, I know I tested that Agetec one handed controller way back and this is much better. But I still think that RTS will suck pretty much as much as they did with a controller and I dont really see how FPSs will be that much better playing them with the rev controller?
I hope every kind of game is going to play ok but what I dont understand is people assuming that FPS/RTS will suddenly become much better, both these kinds of games is still Mouse+Key for the win and my 2c is that the rev controller wont change that.
except ps3 and xbox360 use controllers, not kb+mouse?
Rhindle said:
go read the impressions, games that require precision seem to work pretty well
jakershaker
Member
pkasho said:
NintenProbe -- Virtual proctology
NintenToast -- Master butter-spreading for the win!
Ninten-Wave Around Your Magic Wand Around Like A Huge Cunt -- Loosely based on Sailor Moon
Altamontendo -- Recreate the classic festival by beating the shit out of hippies with your virtual pool cue
Jeopardy -- Use the giant "A" button as a buzzer. Lose.
NintenDarts -- Resist the urge to throw your Revolution controller at the target on the screen. Ironically, the game increases in difficulty as the bullseye grows larger.
DDR: KonamiCode Edition -- Tire yourself trying to wave in "up up down down left right left right" at the screen.
NintenToast -- Master butter-spreading for the win!
Ninten-Wave Around Your Magic Wand Around Like A Huge Cunt -- Loosely based on Sailor Moon
Altamontendo -- Recreate the classic festival by beating the shit out of hippies with your virtual pool cue
Jeopardy -- Use the giant "A" button as a buzzer. Lose.
NintenDarts -- Resist the urge to throw your Revolution controller at the target on the screen. Ironically, the game increases in difficulty as the bullseye grows larger.
DDR: KonamiCode Edition -- Tire yourself trying to wave in "up up down down left right left right" at the screen.
jakershaker
Member
terrene said:
It doesn't. Move with the analog stick, Wave with the Revcon and look lika an idiot* :lol
*May or may not be true
Cauliflower of Love
Banned
Playing the racing games with the controller horizontaly does sound kinda wonky. But if you hold it like normal, and just twist left and right, your own risk gives you resistance(i.e. making you want to put your hand back into it's natural position).
jakershaker
Member
Cauliflower of Love said:
And that would be picking up a normal controller