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What Restaurants Know (About You)

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CrankyJay

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WHEN Tim Zagat dines out in New York, many of the restaurants he goes to know that he prefers his soup served in a cup and enjoys iced tea with cranberry juice in a large glass over lots of ice. Jay-Z’s fondness for white Burgundy is also no secret among the city’s headwaiters.

But what is perhaps more surprising is that when Arnie Tannen, a health care consultant in Brooklyn, sits down for his regular Friday-night dinner at Gramercy Tavern, his server always knows that he prefers a black napkin (less lint) and wants only the ends of a loaf in his breadbasket.

Those details are carefully logged in the restaurant’s computer, and Mr. Tannen suspects that the tavern has also noted his love of French fries, even though it does not serve them. For his 68th birthday in 2011, his waiter surprised him with hot fries hurried in from a nearby spot.

“You never have to say anything more than once,” Mr. Tannen said of the service.

Part of the attention paid to his preferences can be chalked up to the owner, Danny Meyer, and his well-known obsession with highly personalized hospitality. But what most customers don’t know is that hundreds of restaurants are now carefully tracking their individual tastes, tics, habits and even foibles.

Increasingly, restaurants are recording whether you are a regular, a first-timer, someone who lives close by or a friend of the owner or manager. They archive where you like to sit, when you will celebrate a special occasion and whether you prefer your butter soft or hard, Pepsi over Coca-Cola or sparkling over still water. In many cases, they can trace your past performance as a diner; how much you ordered, tipped and whether you were a “camper” who lingered at the table long after dessert.

“We will write if the person is kosher or can’t eat shellfish,” said Ed Schoenfeld, who owns RedFarm in the West Village. “And we take note of the people who sat for six and a half hours last time, so next time we are sure to give them an uncomfortable seat.”

Even a single visit can prompt the creation of a computer file that includes diners’ allergies, favorite foods and whether they are “wine whales,” likely to spend hundreds of dollars on a bottle. That’s valuable information, considering that upward of 30 percent of a restaurant’s revenue comes from alcohol. Some places even log data on potential customers so that the restaurant is prepared if the newcomer shows up.

That a waiter you have never met knows your tendency to dawdle or your love of crushed ice may strike some diners as creepy or intrusive. But restaurant managers say their main goal is to pamper the customer, to recreate the comfort of a local corner spot where everybody knows your name.

“We call it the ‘Cheers’ effect,” said Ann Shepherd, vice president for marketing at the restaurant reservation service OpenTable, referring to the Boston bar in the 1980s sitcom.

Restaurateurs are also looking after their own bottom line. In a cutthroat industry, this kind of intelligence gathering can make or break a business.

“The ability to know and read your customer is critical for staying on top, particularly at the power restaurants,” said Clark Wolf, a restaurant consultant.

Much of this information is discreetly embedded in an alphabet soup of acronyms that pops up on the computer screen when a restaurant employee checks you in, managers and employees at a number of high-end New York restaurants said in interviews. The wine whale may show up as WW. If a free appetizer lands on your table at Osteria Morini in SoHo, chances are your file says SFN — something for nothing.

The restaurant may have given you the freebie because you are a FOM (friend of the manager) or a PX, a person extraordinaire. PX used to be V.I.P., but most restaurants stopped using that label years ago because it was so widely recognized and offended non-V.I.P. customers who heard it being used. Some PX’s are also flagged NR, for never refuse.

At some restaurants, HSM is short for heavyset man; at others, LOL stands for little old lady — two types of diners who may need special seating. Customers with bad reputations are often flagged HWC, handle with care. And if there’s an 86 on your profile, chances are you will be making alternative plans for dinner. There are also some more profane acronyms, though most managers say they have been all but phased out for fear of lawsuits.

There is two more pages of this article at the source...I only linked the first page.

Source: NY Times

So how do you feel about this? Personally, if this means more tailored service to me I'm all for it, but how do you feel about restaurants building a file on you?
 

lil smoke

Banned
And when I hit the deli they know I don't eat cheese, and the bodega guy knows I want 4 white owls every day... this isn't a big deal.
 

ghst

thanks for the laugh
this groupon is still valid right?

no starter, i'll just go straight to the main.

tap water, please.
 
Our neighborhood coffee shop knows what my wife and I like (grande Americano with room), kind of a nice feeling when we walk in the door.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
It's pretty cool. One of the benefits of being a regular.

I thought this was another interesting tidbit...it could get them into trouble too if not used properly.

Chloe Nathan Genovart, who worked at the elite restaurant Per Se for seven years, including several as headwaiter, said the details that restaurants log can be powerful, but the trick is in knowing how to deploy them. For instance, a headwaiter may know the name of a customer’s wife, but should never use it unless he or she knows the woman.

“Sometimes a man will come in with another woman, not their wife,” Ms. Nathan Genovart said. “You have to be very careful about what you say.”
 

UFRA

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I think this is pretty cool. As long as it isn't abused. (i.e. putting red flags on customer profiles for being bad tippers, therefore prompting everyone in the kitchen to spit in their food, etc.)

I'm an over-tipper so I don't have to worry :p
 
Does it keep track of tips?

Sounds like they do, yeah.

I am for this. This sort of tracking bothers me (a little) when it extends beyond the scope of whatever service is doing the tracking, such as tracking cookies that follow you all over the internet. All they're doing here is tracking your behavior in the restaurant, though...I'm all right with that, especially if it leads to a better dining experience.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
I think this is pretty cool. As long as it isn't abused.

Sounds like beginners can abuse it...

Mr. Wolf, the restaurant consultant, said the information restaurants have should remain invisible.

“If you say, ‘I know you like a white Burgundy from the 1970s,’ that is creepy,” he said. “Instead, you ask them what they like and point them in the direction of that white Burgundy.”
 

andycapps

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The only places I go to regularly know me by name, so this wouldn't surprise me. But they're pretty low tech so I know they don't have computer systems.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Occasionally I'll make reservations on OpenTable and fill in the special requests section if I'm celebrating my wife's birthday or anniversary...it's sort of nice to have. You can get flowers delivered to restaurant as well.
 
I give large tips at restaurants I frequent specifically for this kind of personalized service. Courtesy pays for itself in discounted meals down the line, at least where I'm from.
 

sangreal

Member
Im not rich enough to eat at the type of restaurant being discussed anyway. Would love to get this kind of service at a restaurant though. Sounds very similar to my hotel experience
 

Ironmask

Member
It's perfectly fine. The service is customized for me and I don't have to repeat the same things all over again/get "mad" for not being served as i prefer.

Also on the privacy side, they're only categorizing what you're already made of public domain (you like ice cold water, no alcohol or ever).

The anonimous message boards are full of people who like to profile the posters, but you can't do nothing about it, since it's always you who are giving that informations at first
 
I tend to get bartenders at most bars I go to remember me which usually leads to discounted or free drinks and fast service. You just have to try and make conversation and tip very generously one time and you're set for the foreseeable future is what I've learned. I'm sure the same applies to restaurants.
 

sangreal

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I tend to get bartenders at most bars I go to remember me which usually leads to discounted or free drinks and fast service. You just have to try and make conversation and tip very generously one time and you're set for the foreseeable future is what I've learned. I'm sure the same applies to restaurants.

well yeah, this is normal for bars but the point of the OP is to try to recreate that local bar feeling at restaurants without them having to actually remember you
 

WedgeX

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“We will write if the person is kosher or can’t eat shellfish,” said Ed Schoenfeld, who owns RedFarm in the West Village. “And we take note of the people who sat for six and a half hours last time, so next time we are sure to give them an uncomfortable seat.”

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“We call it the ‘Cheers’ effect,” said Ann Shepherd, vice president for marketing at the restaurant reservation service OpenTable, referring to the Boston bar in the 1980s sitcom.

This is the opposite of cheers.


And this kind of data usage makes me quite uncomfortable.

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well yeah, this is normal for bars but the point of the OP is to try to recreate that local bar feeling at restaurants without them having to actually remember you

Pretty much this. I've got coffee shops and restaurants that know my order or preferences, but that's because I frequent them, talk with the servers on a regular basis...you know, interact with my fellow humans. Not because my data got collected and reused.
 

7aged

Member
I haven't read the article. Is there some kind of data provider who's compiling this data and dissemenating it? If so this is worrying. I don't mind a restaurant logging my habits for the use of it's own staff but buying and selling this info to others is a different matter. It's just another opaque "credit score" system.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
This is the opposite of cheers.


And this kind of data usage makes me quite uncomfortable.

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Pretty much this. I've got coffee shops and restaurants that know my order or preferences, but that's because I frequent them, talk with the servers on a regular basis...you know, interact with my fellow humans. Not because my data got collected and reused.

Cheers is a bar though. You want people to keep sitting at the bar and ordering drinks. At a restaurant, you want to turn tables quickly to get the next group seated.
 

WedgeX

Banned
Cheers is a bar though. You want people to keep sitting at the bar and ordering drinks. At a restaurant, you want to turn tables quickly to get the next group seated.

Then they should be steering those people towards sitting in the bar area, not providing them with worse seating.
 

Violet_0

Banned
great, now restaurants are becoing more like Facebook too

“And we take note of the people who sat for six and a half hours last time, so next time we are sure to give them an uncomfortable seat.”

marvelous idea for making the customer think twice about coming back again
 
great, now restaurants are becoing more like Facebook too



marvelous idea for making the customer think twice about coming back again

Eh, if the customer is buying stuff, sure, I see your point. If they're just sitting there, though..... They're wasting space and time and actually costing them money. I could understand the restaurant's issue if it is somewhat busy.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I'm an over-tipper so I don't have to worry :p

By whose standards? Some waiters consider 30% a minimum. Ridiculous.
 
Rich folk problems, im sure that the restaurants that I visit dont even know my name, how would they even look up a "file" that belong to me.
 

Bboy AJ

My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
The No. 1 tip for getting great service: butter up your server.

“You can impact the quality of your dining experience by serving your server,” Mr. Meyer said.
What kind of shit is this? I thought that's what tipping is for. Now I have to serve my servers on top of giving a 30% or whatever nonsense tip?

Best part of moving to Europe is not being rushed out of the door and not having these ridiculous waiter-centric bullshit to deal with. All of a sudden, you're Hitler if you use the tip for what it was originally meant.
 

Shambles

Member
What kind of shit is this? I thought that's what tipping is for. Now I have to serve my servers on top of giving a 30% or whatever nonsense tip?

Best part of moving to Europe is not being rushed out of the door and not having these ridiculous waiter-centric bullshit to deal with. All of a sudden, you're Hitler if you use the tip for what it was originally meant.

Yup. I'm constantly shocked how how terrible the service is here yet how lazy and entitled the servers still manage to be. If you give me bleh service, you get zero ($0.00) tip from me.
 
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