What!? The PSP has color bleeding in the Jap launch units?

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GSG Flash

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Despite all our praise, we have had a few issues with the system so far. The PSP has awesome visual clarity, but we have noticed some image bleeding problems with the color red and vertical chopping of fast-moving images. This was notable in the Rally X mini game for Ridge Racers, and becomes even more clear in the faster sequences from the UMD movie clips.
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Sony better fix this come NA launch because I don't want the visuals on that beautiful screen being ruined by red color bleeding.

Also what the hell is up with the choppy fast moving images?
 
GSG Flash said:
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Sony better fix this come NA launch because I don't want the visuals on that beautiful screen being ruined by red color bleeding.

Also what the hell is up with the choppy fast moving images?
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Umm, maybe the LCD screen refresh rate is crap?
 
Colors don't bleed on LCDs. I wonder if he's talking about ghosting or something else. Vertical chopping sounds odd as well.
 
cybamerc said:
Colors don't bleed on LCDs. I wonder if he's talking about ghosting or something else. Vertical chopping sounds odd as well.
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Its common for LCD's on handhelds to have some stronger colours, i guess thats what it is. In Phones the whites tend lean toweards a certain colour. Nokia white has a blueish tint for example. Vertical chopping is interesting. I am sure it owuld handle 60fps fine if its a gaming machine. Maybe Namso went over the limit?
 
On the DS, I haven't seen any "color bleeding," but I have seen some image chopping/tearing. So, I certainly believe it could be happening on PSP units, as well.
 
COCKLES said:
"Wise man say....never buy new console hardware at first initial launch"
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So theres more chance for you to nab one at a reasonable price. We know your game Cockles....

I can understand the point, but my Japanese PS2 is a launch one and works fine. Same with all my consoles so far (touch wood). You could argue they'd be more reliable, as Sony aren't cutting corners yet.
 
mrklaw said:
So theres more chance for you to nab one at a reasonable price. We know your game Cockles....

I can understand the point, but my Japanese PS2 is a launch one and works fine. Same with all my consoles so far (touch wood). You could argue they'd be more reliable, as Sony aren't cutting corners yet.
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Sony. Always cutting corners.
 
mrklaw said:
So theres more chance for you to nab one at a reasonable price. We know your game Cockles....

I can understand the point, but my Japanese PS2 is a launch one and works fine. Same with all my consoles so far (touch wood). You could argue they'd be more reliable, as Sony aren't cutting corners yet.
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I know I have a Japanese launch PS2 and it works fine too.
 
What the hell is a "Jap launch unit"? Is it some sort of device, named after a racial epithet, that flings Japanese people into the air?
 
After getting burned on my Xbox Im weary of getting a launch unit for anything... I think I'll wait on PSP (though, it may not be by choice :lol ) till we get a better idea of what the problems are and how common they are.

Im sure I'll get a Xenon at launch, assuming they have some decent launch games.
 
mosaic said:
What the hell is a "Jap launch unit"? Is it some sort of device, named after a racial epithet, that flings Japanese people into the air?
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Yeah, how dare they shorten the word to three letters...how dare they.
 
snapty00 said:
Yeah, how dare they shorten the word to three letters...how dare they.
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only racists shorten words. I am offended when my country is refered to as USA.
 
Changing the actual screen would be tough. It would mean a more expensive screen to get rid of these flaws. I dont think it will change for sometime if they actually do change it.
 
I would like IGN guys to clarify if the color bleeding on red happens only during FMVs (where it probably would be a video encoding problem) or at any time a red color appears on the screens, such as during the gameplay.
 
Marconelly said:
I would like IGN guys to clarify if the color bleeding on red happens only during FMVs (where it probably would be a video encoding problem) or at any time a red color appears on the screens, such as during the gameplay.
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they say it happens in rally x, and that's not a fmv...
 
Marconelly said:
I would like IGN guys to clarify if the color bleeding on red happens only during FMVs (where it probably would be a video encoding problem) or at any time a red color appears on the screens, such as during the gameplay.
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They talked about hoping Sony will update it's firmware, so I think it's a direct hardware problem :(
 
Culex said:
They talked about hoping Sony will update it's firmware, so I think it's a direct hardware problem :(
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A firmware update would be better than a problem with lcd screen itself.
 
Sounds like the infamous red push "problem" SONY loves so much to implement. If this is true don't expect any kind of fix from SONY themselfs. It's a design issue and deliberately implemented to be like that.
 
In game what appears as red bleed could be some kind of frame buffer blur they are doing on the screen. I can't see an LCD screen ever bleeding color where it doesn't exist in the source media.
 
Marconelly said:
The bleeding on red color seems like a video codec issue. It's a common problem with many DVD players too.
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Except it's apparently an issue in games as well?
 
snapty00 said:
Yeah, how dare they shorten the word to three letters...how dare they.
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Well, it kinda was used as a derogatory term during the second world war, or used in clearly negative ways. I can see how someone could possibly take offense to it. I use "JP" myself. It's a nice, solid abbreviation that in context, people tend to understand right away.

Anyway...

This sucks for people who pre-ordered the PSP in Japan, it sucks even more for people who imported launch PSPs from Japan, as returning them in exchange for a new one is going to be downright impossible, or much more trouble than it's worth. As much as want one, I'm kinda glad I held off now.
 
cybamerc said:
Except it's apparently an issue in games as well?
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The statement on which this thread is based does not directly state that the red push issue is actually present in games. Rally X is mentioned in reference to the scrolling problem.
 
My guess is that he means ghosting when he is referring to color bleeding. My lcd monitor ghosts sometimes in high frame rate games and can look like color bleeding. Vertical chopping definitely sounds like a lack of vsync.
 
Going by this image, there doesn't appear to be any kind of bleeding at all.

Honestly, I think IGN simply has some uninformed people working there. It's a shame, maybe Rally X has some sort of graphical errors/issues, but IGN calling it color bleeding is probably just flat-out wrong.


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PanopticBlue said:
Going by this image, there doesn't appear to be any kind of bleeding at all.

Honestly, I think IGN simply has some uninformed people working there. It's a shame, maybe Rally X has some sort of graphical errors/issues, but IGN calling it color bleeding is probably just flat-out wrong.


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That is, however, a dead pixel. It's a shame we just have to accept it with LCD technology.
 
xsarien said:
That is, however, a dead pixel. It's a shame we just have to accept it with LCD technology.
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It happens across the board with all LCD technology. It happens on TVs. It happens on monitors. It happened on DS. It happened on PSP. Unless you want prices for LCD technology to sky rocket, you should be pretty happy that they're not ensuring every single LCD monitor doesn't have a dead pixel. At the very best case scenario you'll be able to replace your LCD system of choice, ala Nintendo DS. At the very worst case scenario you won't be allowed to replace it and you'll get used to the dead pixels and eventually learn to ignore them. I have a dead pixel cluster on my LCD monitor and I don't notice it at all anymore.
 
Amir0x said:
It happens across the board with all LCD technology. It happens on TVs. It happens on monitors. It happened on DS. It happened on PSP. Unless you want prices for LCD technology to sky rocket, you should be pretty happy that they're not ensuring every single LCD monitor doesn't have a dead pixel. At the very best case scenario you'll be able to replace your LCD system of choice, ala Nintendo DS. At the very worst case scenario you won't be allowed to replace it and you'll get used to the dead pixels and eventually learn to ignore them. I have a dead pixel cluster on my LCD monitor and I don't notice it at all anymore.
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Jesus, throttle back man. Re read my post, in which the very last part says something about having to accept this on all LCD technology.
 
Pimpbaa said:
My guess is that he means ghosting when he is referring to color bleeding. My lcd monitor ghosts sometimes in high frame rate games and can look like color bleeding. Vertical chopping definitely sounds like a lack of vsync.
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Yeah, if he's referring to ghosting, that was expected. I have yet to encounter an LCD that is as free of ghosting as a CRT. It's one of the reasons I refuse to buy an LCD monitor for my PC...
 
xsarien said:
Jesus, throttle back man. I was just saying...
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This thread isn't about dead pixels though, there's already that discussion in another thread. This thread is about bleeding. So take your derailing somewhere else.

Btw, I resized my pic above. I can't see ANY kind of color bleeding going on there at all. I can only imagine how awesome the screen looks in person.
 
UltimateMarioMan said:
Sell your PSP's its all over! There its been said now we can all go home and eat Christmas cookies!
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THERE NOW YOU'RE BANNED HAW HAW
 
PanopticBlue said:
This thread isn't about dead pixels though, there's already that discussion in another thread. This thread is about bleeding. So take your derailing somewhere else.
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:: smacks forehead ::

I...wasn't...trying...to...derail....anything...

Someone coming into the Wonka thread in OT saying that Tim Burton's *never* made a good movie, that's derailment; someone coming into a Zelda thread with stories about how Miyamoto's completely overrated, that's derailment; me pointing out an IGN picture allegedly showing color bleeding on an LCD while ignoring the blatant dead pixel is me - if anything - pointing out yet another reason why you shouldn't pay those people for their news.
 
UltimateMarioMan said:
Sell your PSP's its all over! There its been said now we can all go home and eat Christmas cookies!
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Banned!

Btw, I resized my pic above. I can't see ANY kind of color bleeding going on there at all. I can only imagine how awesome the screen looks in person.
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IGN simply used incorrect terminology. I'm not suprised...
 
xsarien said:
Jesus, throttle back man. Re read my post, in which the very last part says something about having to accept this on all LCD technology.
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I know what you said. The point is it ain't going to change because it's inherent in the whole process. Unless you want to get price gouged...
 
Amir0x said:
I know what you said. The point is it ain't going to change because it's inherent in the whole process. Unless you want to get price gouged...
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...Kinda touched on that as well when I said "accept".

Whatever.
 
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