What's everyone's opinion of Vice?

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chadtwo

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I've always been at least peripherally aware of Vice News more or less in terms of how it bills itself: investigative journalism that focuses on a personal immersion within an area of interest or particular subculture in order to convey information in a way that's ostensibly more meaningful than traditional coverage. I'd see videos come up here and there as suggestions when browsing some of the more sordid parts of Youtube, or just in general when browsing the web (often through social media).

Only recently have I actually taken a serious look at their journalistic content, and at first glance, there seems to be a lot of honestly fascinating mini-documentaries available through their website. Having now watched a few of these, I'm personally very much enjoying a lot of their stories, particularly those that examine underrepresented or unexamined segments of a particular society.

My question hinges on the fact that, for whatever reason, I feel guilty for my initial enjoyment of Vice. Maybe it's the fact that for every video about Japanese biker gangs, there's a bevy of other videos completely devoid of journalistic meaning and seemingly filmed just for lulz (what the hell is the point of those "On Acid" videos?) Maybe it's that some of their videos seem controversial for the sake of being controversial. Didn't some weird MRA guy own Vice for awhile (correct me if I'm wrong)? Maybe that's it. Or maybe it's for a variety of irrational reasons that have no basis in reality.

I guess what I'm asking is what the prevailing perception and understanding of Vice as a news organization is, particularly here on GAF. This is primarily out of curiosity -- I don't really intend to stop watching Vice (unless there's something inexcusable about the company that one of y'all brings to light). I just don't have a great grasp on where it sits on the spectrum of journalistic integrity or quality, having not heard much of a consensus one way or the other. So, GAF, enlighten me. Save me from my own naivete in thinking these edgy videos are actually worth a damn. Or, conversely, tell me that I'm overthinking it and that Vice is just as it presents itself, namely great investigate journalism covering groundbreaking stories.
 
Hipsters who figured out early that most other hipster will pay premium money (or sit through ads) for cultural voyeurism......


Somewhere along the line that evolved into some well made documentaries and a TV channel where the owners were able to finally sell out for the maximum amount that media creators can get (aka cable TV money)
 
They occupy a space similar to Buzzfeed in my mind. They're thoroughly capable of putting out worthwhile material but a lot of what they do is puerile nonsense. Basically: I don't go to Vice on my own, but if someone links a Vice story to me I'll usually trust their curation and give it a read / watch.
 

Thanks for the link. I was completely unaware of this angle of critique.

Hipsters who figured out early that most other hipster will pay premium money (or sit through ads) for cultural voyeurism......


Somewhere along the line that evolved into some well made documentaries and a TV channel where the owners were able to finally sell out for the maximum amount that media creators can get (aka cable TV money)

This is more in line with what my perception of the traditional criticisms lodged against Vice were.
 
I like some of what Munchies produces, that's about the extent of my interest.

It really bothers me that the Viceland shows are region locked.
 
It's important to understand an outlet's beat and slant when looking at their coverage. Like Buzzfeed, there's a lot of truly great journalism going on under Vice's roof, and a similar amount of fluff to fund everything else. Vice's audience is mostly 16-28 year olds that smoke weed, are foodies, and enjoy hip hop. It's the "hipster" outlet, if there ever was one, out of the big new media sites. I personally have loved Vice for a long time and appreciate their "balls out" approach to coverage, often putting themselves in dangers way for stories you wouldn't see anywhere else. I recommend the Japanese Cannibal mini-doc, or even 'The Act of Killing' (full length documentary, I believe its on Netflix).
 
They occupy a space similar to Buzzfeed in my mind. They're thoroughly capable of putting out worthwhile material but a lot of what they do is puerile nonsense. Basically: I don't go to Vice on my own, but if someone links a Vice story to me I'll usually trust their curation and give it a read / watch.

If I had to guess, this is more or less what my opinion of Vice will eventually develop into, given more time to actually consume its content.
 
They occupy a space similar to Buzzfeed in my mind. They're thoroughly capable of putting out worthwhile material but a lot of what they do is puerile nonsense. Basically: I don't go to Vice on my own, but if someone links a Vice story to me I'll usually trust their curation and give it a read / watch.

Pretty much nailed it.

They get WAY more credit than they deserve in certain circles. 90% of their writing is poor, and takes advantage of our desire for voyeurism, regardless if the reader/viewer actually gains any new perspective after watching. In many cases, I find their thesis to be "its worth examining X, because it's way more than just Y," and then the actual content focus purely on "Y," because they know that's what the viewer wants.

That said - every once in a while they strike gold; and I agree, curation from those I trust is often how I get to that.
 
It's cool, although there is a feeling in their videos that irks me but I can't really point it out. I see a lot of the criticisms as having some merit to them.
 
It's important to understand an outlet's beat and slant when looking at their coverage. Like Buzzfeed, there's a lot of truly great journalism going on under Vice's roof, and a similar amount of fluff to fund everything else. Vice's audience is mostly 16-28 year olds that smoke weed, are foodies, and enjoy hip hop. It's the "hipster" outlet, if there ever was one, out of the big new media sites. I personally have loved Vice for a long time and appreciate their "balls out" approach to coverage, often putting themselves in dangers way for stories you wouldn't see anywhere else. I recommend the Japanese Cannibal mini-doc, or even 'The Act of Killing' (full length documentary, I believe its on Netflix).

Thanks for the recommendations.
 
I feel like when they get to "investigative" journalism, their segments become too self-important.

But when it's just wacky stuff, it's okay.
 
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