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When Putin supports Bush Americans think it's ok but when the UK supports Kerry....

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LONDON, England (Reuters) -- A pro-Kerry letter-writing campaign by Britain's left-leaning Guardian newspaper, targeting undecided U.S. voters, has provoked outrage across the Atlantic.

The paper has encouraged its readers to express their opinions on the November 2 presidential election to voters in the key swing state of Ohio -- to the fury of Clark county.

"Hey England, Scotland and Wales, mind your own business. We don't need weenie-spined Limeys meddling in our presidential election," was one of the e-mail reactions to the campaign.

The Fox national cable television network tore into the newspaper and even John Kerry's own Democrats expressed horror at the campaign.

"We all feel it is not a good idea. I think it was unwise. It is so poorly thought-out," said Sharon Manitta, spokeswoman in Britain for Democrats Abroad.

But the newspaper, whose cartoons regularly portray President George W. Bush as a semi-literate ape, was unrepentant.

"We did consult a number of opinions and made our decision accordingly," assistant features editor Paul MacInnes told Reuters. "It has been an operation to give our readers an opportunity to express their opinions."

With just two weeks to go before the election, Kerry is running neck and neck with Republican incumbent Bush.

Ohio is a key swing state which Bush won by just four percentage points in 2000, and Clark county is at its heart.

The campaign is a bid to sway voters on the county's electoral register who have declared themselves undecided.

As of Monday night, more than 14,000 people had registered to write to a voter in Cook county which has a population of just 143,000.

Individuals like film director Ken Loach, spy writer John Le Carre, historian Antonia Fraser and opposition Liberal Democratic parliamentarian Menzies Campbell have all written in their own capacity -- not that their names necessarily carry much weight in Cook county.

The Guardian, which simply bought a list of registered voters and extracted the undecided, pledged that it would only give out the name of each voter once, to avoid them being swamped by unsolicited mail from complete strangers.

"We know that in many ways this is the world's election, and we understand the passion and concern in many parts of the world over it. But I wonder how people here in the UK would react to Americans telling them how to vote," Democrats Abroad's Manitta said.

"This will certainly garner more votes for George Bush. I have strongly advised other media entities who have come to me and suggested this against doing so," she added.

While some e-mails to the Guardian from Democrats in Ohio were supportive, others suggested the campaign was misguided.

But their mild admonitions paled into insignificance against the more reactionary views received by the paper.

"Real Americans aren't interested in your pansy-ass, tea-sipping opinions. If you want to save the world, begin with you own worthless corner of it," wrote one from Texas.


I have to admit that last one is funny. I don't take stock in what other nations or other leaders have to say about who we as Americans pick to lead us however. It's funny when our closest ally and almost idelogically similar country lends advice there is hell to pay but, when an ex-KGB agent and notorious freedom squelcher has something to say about Bush it's taken as gospel.
 

Particle Physicist

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"even John Kerry's own Democrats expressed horror at the campaign."


a UK paper is trying to swing votes in the US. something is not right there.
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
"Real Americans aren't interested in your pansy-ass, tea-sipping opinions. If you want to save the world, begin with you own worthless corner of it," wrote one from Texas.

Ahh, Texas, whenever you need an opinion from the cesspool of American intelligence and decency, we can always count on thee.
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
Retarded responses aside, I've got no respect for the letter-writing campaign in the first place. UK citizens don't get to vote in the US elections. No duh. If you care that much, move to America. And good riddance.
 
I'm definitely a liberal and a Kerry supporter, but this campaign was such a dumb fucking idea. Seriously, how condescending can you get?
 
Nerevar said:
Ahh, Texas, whenever you need an opinion from the cesspool of American intelligence and decency, we can always count on thee.

heh i didn't even have to read that bit before I'd guessed it was texas.

ps you'll care when we annex you :p
 

Alcibiades

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JoshuaJSlone said:
But they do get dragged into US wars.
don't know how long you've followed British politics and government, but Blair is easily double the nation builder Bush is.

During the Clinton administration, he could only push Clinton so far.

Blair, way before 9/11 and Bush's election has always been pro-nation building in terms of "spreading western values".

If anything, the US is getting dragged into wars cause Blair finally got a US prez that shared his vision...
 

Socreges

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efralope said:
don't know how long you've followed British politics and government, but Blair is easily double the nation builder Bush is.

During the Clinton administration, he could only push Clinton so far.

Blair, way before 9/11 and Bush's election has always been pro-nation building in terms of "spreading western values".

If anything, the US is getting dragged into wars cause Blair finally got a US prez that shared his vision...
Yes, "vision". That's what it was all about.
 

DSN2K

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Blair got what he wanted out of Iraq...

REBUILDING CONTRACTs and OIL :lol

not just that but he's going to keep his leadership while Bush may very well flop. :D
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
JoshuaJSlone said:
But they do get dragged into US wars.

Then we'll vote our own government out to stop that (just as soon as anyone comes up with a viable alternative). Dealing with your own shortcomings by trying to effect regime change in someone else's country is just wrong, damn it...
 
iapetus said:
Then we'll vote our own government out to stop that (just as soon as anyone comes up with a viable alternative). Dealing with your own shortcomings by trying to effect regime change in someone else's country is just wrong, damn it...
In a world with global consequences I don't see the harm in a letter-writing campaign. People in the US do things to support candidates outside of their state/district all the time. This is like that on a global scale... but without the money or physical presence.
 
Dealing with your own shortcomings by trying to effect regime change in someone else's country is just wrong, damn it...
Yes! And that's why we are trying to encourage American voters to ... Oh ...

Yeah this was fucking stupid, inverse sabre-rattling or something equally daft. I read the letter people were being asked to send, if I can dig it out of our recycling bin I'll transcribe it. In principle, yes I'd rather see Kerry win, but by Christ an arrogant, condescending mailshot from a well-meaning tea-slurper is never going to help. It was far worse than you think it was; really cloyingly supportive, beseeching people who knew their own mind to perhaps think about examining their heart of hearts, for some vague notion of 'the sake of the rest of the world'. Its only viable targets were the blindest, most zealous Kerry supporters, and to this end I can't see how it became greenlit.

PS Fuck Bush.

PPS The cartoonist mentioned, Steve Bell, is a fucking genius who doesn't deserve to be dragged down in this.

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Drozmight

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Would Bush even accept an endorsement from Putin? Isn't thal guy a former KGB turned gangster turned president? If not, he looks like a gangster, walking around in his big coat, looking surly. In fact, he and snoop dog should collaborate on snoop's next video : "Grozny is on Fire."
 
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