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Which group has to do the most Damage Control after seeing their Next Gen system?

PS3 dominant
360 at least has intriguing Live (Live will be the 360 advantage over the others) and harddrive built in, plus solid 3rd party support and some nice exclusives









Revolution has jack shit nothing.

Spin Nbots Spin, Spin like Mario's life depends on it (the 'They didn't show anything so they don't have to spiiiiiiiin' spin is genius btw, very meta)
 
VictimOfGrief said:
I think you guys are missing some of the points.

Sure Sony showed some great graphics.... but which is the better system? Overall.... not just "pretty graphics".

Honestly, Sony has no online plan to trump XBL for Xbox or X360. They can have the prettiest games, but if I can't play online with friends, then what the fuck is the point?
Do you honestly believe sony doesn't have a "Live-like" online plan in the works? Seriously? . Lets be honest here people, Sony is sitting pretty right now. They have the "most powerful system" trump card, great 3rd party support to go along with a dramatically improved group of 1st party studios, so you know the great games will be there. Right now the only way Sony can f*ck this up is by making this thing so expensive only Bill Gates can afford to own one.
 
Am I the only person who thought Gears of War looked kinda crappy? Assuming I saw the same trailer as everybody else of course... the one intercut with all kinds of distracting blurry stuff. What I could see was some nice models in a relatively plain landscape. It certainly didn't look better than Killzone (and why would that matter, since Killzone is a render?).
 
Sony did well because they impressed a lot of gamers, despite showing mostly cutscenes (realtime).

While MSFT had a horrible horrible MTV show, at least in the pre-e3 they at least has some killer shit to show that came in for the save: Ghost Recon 3, Gears of War, Project Gotham Racing 3, Morrowind: Oblivion, Kameo, Awesome new Xbox Live, Square on board, hardware 12-15 times more powerfull than Xbox 1).

Nintendo just got fuck owned analy raped. Their show is just flat out :lol

A lot of their most diehard faithful are bailing out. Hardware only 2-3 times more powerful than GCN. :lol The best damage control in the world can't save them now.
 
bigfurb said:
Do you honestly believe sony doesn't have a "Live-like" online plan in the works? Seriously?
Who knows? That's beside the point, the point is what have the three companies shown so far and Sony hasn't shown any online plans to rival Live yet, so Xbots can still hold on to that as an edge.
 
bigfurb said:
Do you honestly believe sony doesn't have a "Live-like" online plan in the works? Seriously? . Lets be honest here people, Sony is sitting pretty right now. They have the "most powerful system" trump card, great 3rd party support to go along with a dramatically improved group of 1st party studios, so you know the great games will be there. Right now the only way Sony can f*ck this up is by making this thing so expensive only Bill Gates can afford to own one.

Honestly, the whole debate over ' 2x the power of the X360 ' I don't doubt, cell is one hell of a processor. If not, Sony would be bankrupt tomorrow. My point is the conferences... who made the better sales pitch. While I agree that both systems are poised for great games, the thing I don't bite on Sony's bid for my cash is their online component. They said PlayOnline would be the next great thing.

What the fuck happened to it?

Promised content on the HDD you got when you bought the newest FF game. Nothing. The best thing that HDD is used for is ripping games to that HDD to play.

Sadly, none of their next-gen "model" for online play was laid out. I'd rather see some focus on the integration of the system into the home rather than the entire smothering of technical data because who cares really? Games, downloads, interaction is what brings the gamers together.
 
MS better hope someone on that showfloor saves their ass.

Probably unlikely..
If someone had a really great looking game Ms would have scooped it up for their show.


Wheres Namco/Capcom/Konami?
Dont tell me all they got is Frame city and a below average looking zombie game.
 
Azih said:
PS3 dominant
360 at least has intriguing Live (Live will be the 360 advantage over the others) and harddrive built in, plus solid 3rd party support and some nice exclusives









Revolution has jack shit nothing.

Spin Nbots Spin, Spin like Mario's life depends on it (the 'They didn't show anything so they don't have to spiiiiiiiin' spin is genius btw, very meta)

How did you type what I was going to type before I typed it? Wow.

So, yeah. Nintendo is fucked. Microsoft has some extremely cool Live and Media Center stuff going on and I think they have enough quality games to at least double their market share this year.

Probably all of Nintendo's, since they sure as fuck won't have anything. Seriously, their big announcement was basically that their system would feature old games. Well, so does my PC.
 
shpankey said:
Nintendo just got fuck owned analy raped. Their show is just flat out :lol

A lot of their most diehard faithful are bailing out. The best damage control in the world can't save them now.

"the one who laugh first, laughs last"

:D

Wasnt such a great idea talking shit about the Xbox360 now was it?
 
My grades:
Sony B- : Almost no PS2. NO PSP. It would have been better to make the conference longer and show some PSP love. As cool as PS3 was, it was mostly demos. I care about the games and sony showed very little gameplay. Though, I'm now really hyped for the PS3 so they did their job. Fortunately for Sony, they have 3rd party filling the void on the PS2 and PSP fronts.

MS D : MS shot their load at MTV, so there was no new footage of games, if any. I really don't care what they do to get non gamers or new ones, for fuck sake - Nintendo said they would do something similer with their online plan but in like 5 seconds, not half a conference. Unimpressive.

Nintendo B- : Basicly, they did the opposite of sony. They focused on one generation and talked about the next for like 5 minutes, and not anything really interesting. I would call this E3 the "good bye generation" instead of welcoming the new one. The GBA Micro doen't interest me, just like the SP, but I know a lot of people will get it. Overall, it's nice to see Nintendo didn't forget about the present unlike Sony, but I want some Rev demos! At least they got me wanting a DS with MK on line and M&L 2.

All groups have some damage control to do. It's just some have more than others ;)
 
I thought they all sucked.

PS3 controller sucks.
Perfect Dark Zero sucks.
No Rev demos sucks.

From what I've seen so far, it's exactly the same as this gen with better graphics. Exactly what I didn't want...
 
flsh said:
My grades:
Sony A-

MS B+

Nintendo F-

All groups have some damage control to do. It's just some have more than others ;)

There's mine.

Seriously - Nintendo on par with Sony? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
flsh said:
My grades:
Sony B- : Almost no PS2. NO PSP. It would have been better to make the conference longer and show some PSP love. As cool as PS3 was, it was mostly demos. I care about the games and sony showed very little gameplay. Though, I'm now really hyped for the PS3 so they did their job. Fortunately for Sony, they have 3rd party filling the void on the PS2 and PSP fronts.

We'll see PS2 & PSP on the show floor. Sony's press conference already went WAYY over time and from what I can tell, might have caused Microsoft's to start late.

The press conference is for industry folk and they're already sold on PS2 & PSP. The publishers/developers, media, retailers are already way on board. Clearly Sony felt it was time to show them the PS3 and boy did they.
 
Prine said:
"the one who laugh first, laughs last"

:D

Wasnt such a great idea talking shit about the Xbox360 now was it?

Well the X360 is pretty damn unimpressive for a next gen system, save for a few games. That's always been MY position, anyway. PS3 looks flatout amazing though.

And I couldn't give two shits about Live. They need to show me some new cool games or I ain't buying. They had that chance with Perfect Dark Zero and blew it.

As far as Revolution goes, if that shot of Samus was really running on that hardware, then that's a big fucking disappointment too.

I think both X360 and REV have some cool features (REV's BC + iTunes, X360's custom soundtracks for EVERY GAME), but neither have games that look that interesting or next-gen yet (save for 99 Nights and potentially Perfect Dark Zero, if they get around to fixing it).
 
TheDuce22 said:
Other than the ugly games what exactly did MS fuck up?
:lol
I don't agree with that statement, but wouldn't that be enough?
Personally, I thought Nintendo had by far the worst confrence, but the damage control N-fans will run will be "WAIT UNTIL SPACEWORLD", and we've heard that after every confrence for the past 5 years - is it still damage control or is it just delusional? Regardless, I guess MS has more damage control to run, since it appears almost everyone believes Sony won the first round of the show and MS ended up looking foolish.

However, since MS will have playable games and Sony will have nothing from the next gen on the floor, MS can easily make up whatever ground they've lost with positive play impressions.
 
Sony: A- (bad controller, but shocked and awed us all, new titles, KA hardware, held onto sequels)
Microsoft: B-- (excellent system design, evolution of Live!, but hasn't upset the Sony 3rd party monopoly so far)
Nintendo: Incomplete (but failing so far, hardware that is only 2-3x Gamcube = trouble)
 
Sony's conference just owned...whether or not everything was all realtime(and apparently only Sony's and Epic's stuff were...but what about the FFVII demo?), it definitely piqued interest and had "WOW" factor.

I've downloaded the Microsoft conference stream, but haven't watched it yet to comment.

I wasn't too disappointed with Nintendo's conference because it was already stated by Reggie that this year's E3 wouldn't be Revolution's coming out party. And this year's E3 isn't just about a system coming out sometime next year...they still have current systems to support, like the Gamecube, GBA, and DS. It was good to hear about Mario Kart DS Online...and the new Zelda trailer was sexy. The Nintendogs thing was crap(not the game, just the presentation), and the "Oh my, my dog is putting the shiggy on you Tina" stuff was bleh. Seeing the Revolution(and i'm glad that's the Official name) was good, and Iwata said that the final design could be even smaller. I would have liked to hear the system specs, but oh well.

In terms of the titled question, i'd say Microsoft has the most damage control to dispense. Here's the thing, Nintendo is seen as the underdog anyway, so they really don't have all that much to prove in terms of trying to outmuscle everybody. Microsoft is the one trying to take on Sony head-on...XBOX was built on being the most powerful system...and now obviously it won't be because they're using a different methodology(effeciency, profitability, etc), and they still have to try to garner much more Japanese developer support. Nintendo's underdog status let's it be the wildcard/black sheep. Revolution could WOW the shit out of everyone, but it doesn't have to...if it does, all the better, if it doesn't, it wouldn't be unexpected.
 
All I know is Xbox 360 is on the cover of Time Magazine. Xbox 360 is all over MTV. All the buzz for E3 has been about Xbox 360. PS3 hasn't received nearly as much mainstream or hardcore press attention. Which is odd because Sony are the leaders and so more people should care about Ps3 than Xbox 360. But right now it doesn't seem like they do. Xbox 360 has overshadowed PS3 in my opinion. The specs are for nerds and fanboys to argue and get excited over, Microsoft has done serious damage to Sonys hold of the mainstream. Microsoft did not achieve anything close to this with Xbox, sony should be worried. On the flight over here I watched a tv news reporter thumb through hundreds of Xbox 360 articles for nearly 5 hours. Her researchers only handed her one newspaper article about PS3 from culver city's newspaper (sony territory)

Microsoft has done something amazing with Xbox 360 and it has nothing to do with specs or games.


Nintendo is irrelevant. Nintendo did what Nintendo always does, satisfy its hardcore fans and nobody else. Who else gets excited by the idea of rebuying all your old Nintendo games and purchasing another GBA. Nintendo has no vision for the future they are continually stuck in their past.
 
I don't agree with that statement, but wouldn't that be enough?

It would be if MS had the dreamcast type buzz surrounding it about how sonys console would blow it away. That stuff went away after the ps3 specs were revealed. If the hardware were that much better the sony fanboys would be about 10 times worse than they are now. Its obviously a case of the developers not being ready to show off their games, which is why ps3 used all those concept renders. The fact that currently xbox 360 games look like crap means nothing in the long run IMO.
 
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All I know is Xbox 360 is on the cover of Time Magazine. Xbox 360 is all over MTV. All the buzz for E3 has been about Xbox 360. PS3 hasn't received nearly as much mainstream or hardcore press attention. Which is odd because Sony are the leaders and so more people should care about Ps3 than Xbox 360. But right now it doesn't seem like they do. Xbox 360 has overshadowed PS3 in my opinion. The specs are for nerds and fanboys to argue and get excited over, Microsoft has done serious damage to Sonys hold of the mainstream. Microsoft did not achieve anything close to this with Xbox, sony should be worried. On the flight over here I watched a tv news reporter thumb through hundreds of Xbox 360 articles for nearly 5 hours. Her researchers only handed her one newspaper article about PS3 from culver citie's newspaper (sony territory)

Microsoft has done something amazing with Xbox 360 and it has nothing to do with specs or games.


Nintendo is irrelevant. Nintendo did what Nintendo always does, satisfy its hardcore fans and nobody else. Who else gets excited by the idea of rebuying all your old Nintendo games and purchasing another GBA. Nintendo has no vision for the future they are continually stuck in their past.


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(see what I did?? :D )
 
XMonkey said:
Microsoft, because they showed their hand and it got blown away by PS3. Nintendo didn't show shit, which is a problem in it's own right, but not the type of damage control that MS needs to be doing (*cough* wallguy)

I agree, although I like the Live features and the controller.
 
VictimOfGrief said:
Gears of Wars looked better than Killzone on the PS3.

If Killzone WAS in real time, which we think it's not, it looked way, way better than Gears of War. No contest, really.
 
CrimsonSkies said:
Press Conference Grades

Sony - A
Microsoft - B
Nintendo - D

I'm not sure about the damage control and which fans are the worst. Who cares.


Way too many people around here, which is part of the problem. Though I especally like the parts about Nintendo digging its own grave and fading away when they are next generation probably still going to have the kind of profit margins that Sony and MS can only dream about.
 
Gears of War was CG. It was lovely CG and it worked for Sony - totally kicking ass at their presentation. Poor old developer keeps getting put in tough positions by Sony - first halo killer, now System Seller.

But if you want to know which fanboys have the most damage control to do, go no further than this thread:

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=47847
 
sonycowboy said:
We'll see PS2 & PSP on the show floor. Sony's press conference already went WAYY over time and from what I can tell, might have caused Microsoft's to start late.

The press conference is for industry folk and they're already sold on PS2 & PSP. The publishers/developers, media, retailers are already way on board. Clearly Sony felt it was time to show them the PS3 and boy did they.

I'm sure we'll see the PS2 and PSP on the show floor, but I gave my opinion on the conference. :p I'm just pissed for not seeing any big surprises for my beloved PSP :lol
If Sony had PSP games and cool new ideas I would have given their conference an A+, but they chose to ignore this gen. I actually wouldn't have mind it being longer, I was glued to the screen starting the LOD part.

And what's wrong with Nintendo's conference? It wasn't amazing, but we saw new hardware, a lot of ds and gba games (Mario & Luigi 2 alone sold me on the DS) and One Piece and Zelda among other good GCN games. Too bad Mario 128 wasn't there :( How many years have we been lied to now?
 
Nintendo is probably gonna need some seriouse damage control. PS3 And Xbox360 did not disappoint. PS3 showed off awesome looking trailers of games to come and some in-game stuff. Xbox360 had alot of games im hoping to purchase like PGR3, GR3, DOA4 and of course Xbox Live.
 
I just saw Perrin Kaplan in the Hollywood Highland complex and all of her stupid minions are telling her that the reaction to the press conference online was that it was a huge success. LoL Oh well does Nintendo ever think otherwise
 
Sony - A

Nothing to say here. Next-gen will arrive with PS3.


Microsoft - C

eh, ok. I like the controller, and Lost Odyssey looks cool. I'm not interested in live. Limited BC is fine to me since if I get a 360 I'll only get ninja gaiden. Nothing else from the xbox library interests me.


Nintendo - F

IWATA. SEPPUKU. NOW.
 
Stinkles said:
Gears of War was CG. It was lovely CG and it worked for Sony - totally kicking ass at their presentation. Poor old developer keeps getting put in tough positions by Sony - first halo killer, now System Seller.

But if you want to know which fanboys have the most damage control to do, go no further than this thread:

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=47847

Did you confused GoW with Killzone?
 
MS... because they were the only one to really show anything close to being a finished product.

Sony's presentation was smoke and mirrors. "Playonline will be the best"[Once we design, program, and implement it] :lol

I haven't seen the N's but from what I heard it sounds like they decided not to tip their hand.
 
Honestly, I would say Microsoft has the most damage control to do. Shit, they pulled Perfect Dark Zero from E3 after getting hit with the metric ton of blacklash.
 
I'll be glad when E3 is over. The amount of fanboys runng with the mouth is annoying as fuck on the boards. By that I mean its at an all time high with E3.

For the record I think Sony has the upperhand at the show right now and unless theres some turn around they'bve got everyone convinced right now-those tech demos look really great. Microsoft went in and didn't deliver enough pizazz,something Sony has been living off of since '95. Theyre genuises at playing this aspect of the show.

Ultimately it was Microsoft's show to loose,and they allowed Sony to ruin it with a dipslay of pretty movie like trailors that put a shadow over the 360 at the show. Now,that being said,I think were in for some nice games the next 5 years. Its just that these shows tend to be more of a pissing contest for bragging rights. I think both consoles will be fine once theyre out and all develpment studios are kicking out games like its nobodys business.

As for Nintendo,I dunno what to make of them. I'm not assuming anything yet,but sort of it seems theyre already falling behind the curve abit,as far as public awareness and 3rd party view for the next gen anyways. Maybe its their conservative approach holding them down again? They'll probably unveil a monster of goods at next years show though. So I'm not really concerned for them as much as others are. Right now I'm in 360 and PS3 mode,bring those consoles on already.
 
The xbots are doing the most damage control. Not after seeing their own conference though, but after seeing Sony's.
 
I don't know about damage control... but there sure are a lot of GAF MS haters that got a full helping of crow to eat. I'll dig up some quotes once the E3 hype dies.

Square Enix - haters said it would never happen... it happened
BC = it's there (limited or otherwise... it's there)
wireless controllers = yep
512 MB ram -haters said MS wouldn't upgrade = got it
built in hd - too expensive = it's included
XBL should be free = wow, looky there

MS has delivered the hardware. There is no doubt in my mind that the software will soon follow.
 
It's a tie between Nintendo and MS. MS gets the edge because of the PD fiasco. Nintendo was shrewd enough to not show anything. It'll hurt them, but only for the short term. The console design they showed was very nice. That was there saving grace.

MS had a lot to show, but it was mostly dull. The FF stuff looked nice. They should've went the Sony route, because nothing beats eye candy and potential.
 
Well, maybe not exactly damage control, but Nintendo has the most work cut out for them all the way around. MS at least has some kind of fan base that's been growing to build on and work with. While Nintendo has just been losing their fan base a little at a time each gen since the SNES days. And it seems their press conference didn't offer any solutions to their dwindling market problem. Another GBA? A PS2-looking next gen console without any real details? Nothing terribly interesting for what's left of this gen? Maybe they are keeping all the important stuff behind doors yet, and for their sake I hope so.
 
I see the most damage control taking place in PS3 threads. Whether it's from MS or Nintendo fans, who knows. Probably both and with good reason too.
 
jett said:
The xbots are doing the most damage control. Not after seeing their own conference though, but after seeing Sony's.

Chiming in...

So the PS3 is underpowered than what was expected.
Rumblings that the GPU is bandwidth limited.
The console looks like a table top grill.
The controller is a boomerang.
They only show for the most part, tech demos.
They have nothing to match the functionality of XBL.
Square\Enix gets a dangerous foot in the door into the MS camp.
They hype 1080P when it has no relevance.

SONY wins or do they win as a measure of ... damage control.
 
I think the Xbots has to do the most damage control. Us nintendrones aren't going to do damage control because it is a lost cause. There is just no way.
 
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