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While "some" talk about the industry about to implode... I feel it so alive...

ourumov said:
Oh yep Pana, received it. Right now however I continue doing PS2 experiments. I began a project in which I am trying to do realistic water :P Have lots of free time now that I finished University...jejeje :P

P.M. (so utlimately you got the PS2 back from your brother ? It seemed an impossible task last time we talked ;)).
 
KeithFranklin said:
The only reason for the implode talk is the name of the #1 and #2 Console makers. If everything else was the same, but swap the names of Sony and Nintendo and the implode claimers tune would be much, much different.

Curiously enough, nobody in the thread has said its going to implode or even talked about people thinking as such apart from Pana himself. So what are you basing this thesis on?
 
The only reason for the implode talk is the name of the #1 and #2 Console makers. If everything else was the same, but swap the names of Sony and Nintendo and the implode claimers tune would be much, much different.

the implode talk was to do with rising costs of development and user expectation vs the buying power of the userbase - they don't seem to be in line and there are a number of unknowns (how will users take to increased software (and hardware) costs, are users ready for the next gen (well, the 360 at least - is it too soon?)) etc etc...

it has nothing to do with anyones agenda with who is #1 and #1 console makers.
 
DCharlie said:
it has nothing to do with anyones agenda with who is #1 and #1 console makers.

But if it did this thread would go to flaming hell and chaos, murders, insanity would ensue.

In a certain way it would just be another Sunday at GAF though ;).
 
I dunno if you noticed, but you wrote 1500 words about why gaming is so great.....yet it's all an indulgent jerkoff about technology and multimedia features, with basically no consideration of where games themselves are headed.

This is why gaming will implode.
 
I agree with you pana, you need to own all systems to fully enjoy gaming!

I will pick up a 360 when Gears of war gets released

however the PS3 will be picked up at launch!
 
I dunno if you noticed, but you wrote 1500 words about why gaming is so great.....yet it's all an indulgent jerkoff about technology and multimedia features, with basically no consideration of where games themselves are headed.

This is why gaming will implode.

No, that´s it what will make gaming stronger.

You just have to check thinks like gaming for mobiles. The possibility of integration of lot of features, inluding gaming, will make the industry more open and succesful, being able to offer his content in specific and powerful consoles or in little mobiles you carry on every day.

It´s more, because hardware specs gets better, gaming experience improve and let more different experiences. The "indulgent jerkoff" about technology has a direct impact on games themselves.

Gaming doesn´t go anywhere, there is not going to be any implotion. Maybe is "adaptig", "changing" or "opening", but at this point is absurd to think the market will be destroyed. It´s just the opposite.
 
border said:
I dunno if you noticed, but you wrote 1500 words about why gaming is so great.....yet it's all an indulgent jerkoff about technology and multimedia features, with basically no consideration of where games themselves are headed.

This is why gaming will implode.

Indeed...but, it's Panajev, you know. You can't exepect anything other than that. :P
 
Gaijin To Ronin said:
It´s more, because hardware specs gets better, gaming experience improve and let more different experiences. The "indulgent jerkoff" about technology has a direct impact on games themselves.
Except nobody really seems to be demonstrating what impact the technology is having on the games. They are making the same stuff that looks better.

I guess I don't expect gaming to implode so much as I expect it to progressively suck more and more. Like movies.
 
Except nobody really seems to be demonstrating what impact the technology is having on the games. They are making the same stuff that looks better.

I guess I don't expect gaming to implode so much as I expect it to progressively suck more and more. Like movies.

Next generation has just started, you can´t expect a noticeable effect at this moment. Don´t loose the faith. The new technology will drive to new possibilities for developers and I´m sure that at least some of them will use it.

Even if I´m not an expert on films, I disagree with the statement. Their situation is quite desirable, because actually there is a ton of content for everybody, "mainstream" and "hardcore" (and all the sub-type of levels). As media I personally prefer videogames, as I think its potential is much bigger than movies, but I would sign a situation of productivity alike the one of the world of films.
 
border said:
I dunno if you noticed, but you wrote 1500 words about why gaming is so great.....yet it's all an indulgent jerkoff about technology and multimedia features, with basically no consideration of where games themselves are headed.

This is why gaming will implode.

I did not know how many words I wrote, but thanks for counting.

As I said it could and probably should have gone longer and more time should have been spent rationalizing further ramifications of what is exciting in the industry and why it can sustain it as a whole.

I made considerations about where games are headed in that post and other posts that followed it trying to think over the worry over game development costs increase and what it means to the gaming market. I think it is a worthless and troll/fanboy fodder to start dancing around the "oh the noes... revolutionary revolution features are the only holy grail for the industry VS oh the noes... there Nintendo goes down the shitter with their next worthless gimmick" purely subjective gameplay elucubrations.

I said gamers WANT some things from games, more realism (which does not mean photo-realistic visuals and perfect recreation of OUR reality, there is a difference better expressed by the wider gap that it is easier to see when you think about consistency VS inconsistency), more interactivity with the environments, larger scale and more populated by life-like A.I.'s environments.

What they want COSTS more... wheter you take the EASIEST to program for device (tm) or 1,280 PlayStation 2's in parallel with a software Rasterizer running on 2,560 PSOne's linked together through serial connections. Content makes more and more part of this equation.

I also see other trends and not just the market catering to those hard-core graphics whores :) and I see quite a bit of people willing and happy of supporting such trends. I see users happy and requesting innovation in games that is less focused on expensive UBER high quality 3D graphics and relaed high budget content: the ICO lovers, the SotC lovers, the CV: DoS lovers, the Katamari Damaci lovers, the EyeToy and Nintendo Revolution lovers (there sure is space to innovate and widen the market by pushing innovation in the UI and games physical interaction arena).

I also see and have said it several times in this thread too, that we can survive the higher price for AAA games and how console manufacturers are helping to minimize the required increase by allowing developers to keep a bit more of what each game makes pushing also on other venues (price of the console, which is still justified by what they provide to the end user so it is not offending or insulting, accessory, online initiatives/communities) as new income streams.

I also see developers being able to provide the content people want while also pushing their own wishes of innovation and creativity without the chocking hold many BIG publishers would love to keep on game creators in the name of simply higher and higher profits satisfying mainstream tastes until the market gets stale for real. That is why I look forward to technologies such as STEAM and the like helping IMHO developers to become a bit more independent from publishers and retailers which could also turn in lower priced games from some developers or simply even larger scale and polished games.

I put faith in the fact the industry will expand and there are untapped categories and countries which can help this industry to survive and evolve.

This has to be added to the bigger picture, that which stops and considers that gaming machines are becoming and RIGHTFULLY so more than what we USED to conceive them in the past. This can be good for games too as the added capabilities and peak potgential of the new machines can be harnessed and put to good use.

Games do not exist in a vacuum, next-generation games will never have their chance to shine to help expand the market if the console makers/hardware makers simply put out uber-expensive and limited machines of which the only positive point was that they played more complex games. Some people do not appreciate and do not recognize the complexity of the little detials and the polish that goes in lots of games and might find hard to justify the growing console costs without something more done. We have to help gaming innovations to be born, but we also have to help to sustain them and to allow them to live and prosped which is what the three console makers are trying to do.

Just as I see WiFi and the new Revolution controller expanding gaming and the user's experience one way I see the efforts of MS and SCE going in a different direction, but pushing for the same goal.

Do not be so hasty judging people and their thoughts, it can be quite obnoxious and arrogant and I have never previously thought of you like that.
 
border said:
Except nobody really seems to be demonstrating what impact the technology is having on the games. They are making the same stuff that looks better.

I guess I don't expect gaming to implode so much as I expect it to progressively suck more and more. Like movies.

Maybe not, but still amidst the growing suckiness I see more and more gems being made... more than I have time to watch them so my backlog increases.

In this period of SUCKINESS we still were graced by the best revival the Fantasy genre could wish for with the LOTR trilogy, by a re-invention of a classical character with Batman Begins which also changd how I and I think others used to see and be accustomed to cominc hero movies, etc...

Not everything is going down the toilet, but if we get to a socio-cultural debate, this thread is not the best place to do it.
 
Thank god for this thread. The other one talking about gaming imploding was making my head implode.
 
YellowAce said:
pana enjoys good gameplay, but I'm not sure if it's of the video game console variety...

HAHAH EEL IN YOUR FACE!

EEW, I am too accustomed to Singh-language not to see the obvious double-meaning ;).

That morning it was great until the eel which more than in my face was going to soon be all over the counter if I got anymore of it ;).
 
mckmas8808 said:
Thank god for this thread. The other one talking about gaming imploding was making my head implode.

? Is this some sort of clever pun ;) or are you talking about the other Revolution-1up-feature thread ?
 
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