I dunno, some of the comments and perspectives seem to go from anxious to fearful. Obama's America, the 'brown tide' as some call it, "washing away true American values". Pages and pages of the suggestion that white people need to have more children, and that the damage that feminists have done to the family structure have brought ruin to American culture. Feminists, Jews, Blacks; Liberals all, attacking the very fabric of the nation. There's some fear there, regardless of if they want to call it that.
White people can't experience racism?
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I dunno, some of the comments and perspectives seem to go from anxious to fearful. Obama's America, the 'brown tide' as some call it, "washing away true American values". Pages and pages of the suggestion that white people need to have more children, and that the damage that feminists have done to the family structure have brought ruin to American culture. Feminists, Jews, Blacks; Liberals all, attacking the very fabric of the nation. There's some fear there, regardless of if they want to call it that.
BrightEyedPanic
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I got called a white queer today. Only half of that is true.
I'm native american. I don't even know if you could really assign a colour for that? red?
I'm native american. I don't even know if you could really assign a colour for that? red?
There's a logical fallacy to this argument: how does black people experiencing racism nullify the question of whether white people experience racism or not? It's not an either or scenario.
freenudemacusers
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wait, aren't you a woman? I only say this because I've never heard of a woman being called a queer before. How... strange.
To get it drawn out. We're going to need more elderberry root and goldenseal, because this is an abscess like no other.
BrightEyedPanic
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maybe it rolled off the tongue better. Kids are silly these days.
AlimNassor
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Why would I be afraid? I don't care if I'm a minority. I'm already shit on by people of my own race. This would change jack shit for me. The root problem is the elite who manipulate the masses into hating whatever minority they want to hate.
I'm just saying that if there is a reasonable suspicion that race was the factor that kickstarted a series of unfortunate events that led to the death of a seventeen year old (regardless of who was ultimately at fault) then there should be a serious discussion on the matter in court and deliberations. That doesn't mean that evidence should be thrown out the window in light of the skin color of the individuals involved in the altercation, just that the jurors should not have conceded that Zimmerman would have acted the same if the kid in the hoodie was white, Asian, Hispanic, etc.
It's unfortunate that not one black juror could be arranged to sit-in on the case (either through fault of the prosecution or just bad luck on the draw), if only to offer her perspective of the situation that her white/Hispanic peers may not be able to take into account. The U.S. justice system can be powerless to punish racism when it does not involve flashing neon signs and car horns by the accused declaring himself racist. When the act is subtle it hinges on the jury to decide the role of race in the case, and unfortunately the demographics in which this crime took place made sure that whatever jury selected would lean towards minimizing it's role in the story. Whether that can be fixed or even needs fixing is ultimately what I hope the fallout of the trial would eventually arrive at.
Your right, it is perfectly possible for people to care about the needs of others who do not share their skin color. It just hinges on the individual's exposure to different cultures and races, as well as their willingness to understand the intracacies of problems faced by minorities. And in general it's just easier for people to talk about the things they grew up with rather than things involving effort to understand. From the perspective of a minority, I would be more trusting of the person who grew up in my neighborhood over a well-meaning person who grew up in the suburbs that doesn't have all the time or resources to make an informed decision about my needs.
Oy! you! When did I say you were afraid?
toastyToast
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Sure they can. There is too much history surrounding anti-black racism in America for them to experience anything truly analogous though.
Closest thing is probably the persecution the Irish felt.
Closest thing is probably the persecution the Irish felt.
WanderingWind
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Forgot the Jewsish folks.
AlimNassor
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This is what you posted:
People are afraid because the elite tell them to be afraid.
And the Italians.
I experience racism every day when I'm called white. I'm an Italian American and my people were hung , killed , forced into squaler building the great cities of this country and rounded up and put into camps during the last great war.
But still we are lumped in , we don't even get a month to celebrate our culture . We get a single day
But still we are lumped in , we don't even get a month to celebrate our culture . We get a single day
and this is the part of the cutscene, where I respond with "..."
never once saw anything on that. Its not talked about in schools or on tv any where.
toastyToast
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Right, of course. I don't know if I'd classify that as racism though. I mean, it was but that's too innocuous. What happened to them was genocidal.
I was thinking more of an underclass in a functioning society. Italians fit in too.
I remember Barack Obama doing something for it on TV once. Anyway, you, guy. Calling you white is racist? OK.
freenudemacusers
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everybody loves raymond should count imo
WanderingWind
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And what of Jersey Shore?
Cyan's post about speaking on the same plane seems to ring true. To reiterate, I'm talking more to the point of how black Americans are considered relative to the other demographics, and how the average black American can come hold negative feelings toward the white establishment of power.
Any individual can experience racism.
Irish people have historically had a bad go in America, and if all this was to make the point that a white person - or anyone - can experience racism, it makes that point a hundredfold.
The reason I question the applicability of the Irish in this discussion is that they made steps toward integrating into American culture by joining the majority in discriminating against blacks. Further, they are integrated into white America. While stereotypes and the like still exist toward Irish Americans, they are considered white. I imagine you used them as an example because they are white.
They enjoy the very real benefits of white America today when they were once kindred spirits (both groups suffering from severe discrimination) with blacks in the mid 1800s.
It doesn't. A white person can experience racism. I argue that white people cannot, however.
Any individual can experience racism.
Irish people have historically had a bad go in America, and if all this was to make the point that a white person - or anyone - can experience racism, it makes that point a hundredfold.
The reason I question the applicability of the Irish in this discussion is that they made steps toward integrating into American culture by joining the majority in discriminating against blacks. Further, they are integrated into white America. While stereotypes and the like still exist toward Irish Americans, they are considered white. I imagine you used them as an example because they are white.
They enjoy the very real benefits of white America today when they were once kindred spirits (both groups suffering from severe discrimination) with blacks in the mid 1800s.
It doesn't. A white person can experience racism. I argue that white people cannot, however.
Choke on the Magic
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I think we have already established that white people don't suffer from the institutionalized racism in our system black people do. If you bother reading my posts you would know that. I'm calling you out on your bs stance that white people should just "deal with it". I didn't intend for this discussion be racism dick measuring contest of who has it worse. It's quite simply based on a statement by single poster who truly does not think white people can experience racism. Which is false.
That's it end of story.
Of course it is , lumping us in with a bunch of other ethnic backrounds to A) hide what was done to us and B) keep us down
We aren't white
I'd much rather white folks, and everyone else, actively try and change our country into one more conducive to promoting individual merit and general welfare.
And not wishing minorities will stop hating that white people have it better than them.
Asian/Pacific American Heritage Month and Jewish American Heritage Month are in May
Irish-American Heritage Month is in March
National American Indian Heritage Month is in November
National Hispanic Heritage Month starts in September 15 and ends October 15.
Filipino American History Month is in October
Irish-American Heritage Month is in March
National American Indian Heritage Month is in November
National Hispanic Heritage Month starts in September 15 and ends October 15.
Filipino American History Month is in October
Well you have the option to refuse it, I guess. It's your identity. But European emigres are generally considered white. Regardless of whether the Northern vs Southern European interplay comes into bearing. In the old country they didn't need "white", but in the new world they created it. And Italian-Americans made the cut. And I don't see very many refusing it either...
Sicilians...they have a history of mixing, and I understand some don't even consider themselves Italian.
Choke on the Magic
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Man I can't as an individual do shit to change our country. All I can do is raise my kids to be above this bs. I hope the wishing minorities will stop hating white people for having it good isn't what you got out of my post.
This makes absolutely zero logical sense. I'm sure you have just phrased your position poorly, so can you help me understand it?
I was speaking more to the current "more hate doesn't solve anything" theme of the thread.
An individual can experience racism, regardless of his ethnicity or background. White people, as a group, cannot, because the system in place is absolutely to their benefit, and black people (or anyone else) as a group are in no position to oppress, dehumanize, or otherwise belittle that group of people.
lol I saw this coming a million miles away as soon as you created this thread. Somethings just need to be left alone on gaf, not everything needs a thread for every personal feeling because a lot of people are not mature enough to discuss it. Especially on gaf..
Choke on the Magic
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I'll be surprised if anything good has come of this thread when I wake tomorrow. Good night.
You are 'white' by the official American definition of it. Which shows how people making blanket statements about 'white people' is doomed to stupidity, due the far greater diversity in ethical and cultural backgrounds than any of the other races.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States
In Australia, there is racism against wogs, the broad term for anyone of Southern European decent. If you're Italian, you're white, but not white white.
OP you should just take your L and admit that this shit should of never seen the light of day.
idrinkalone
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Flew from la to oak.. Got shit on for 20 min (calling me a pussy telling me I am worthless, pushing me).. at 1am by the coliseum, did i cry? nope.. I patiently waited for the Bart.
Took the train to a devils game in Newark.. Got dropped off at broad st.. Had to walk 15 blocks.. Heard every slang word you can call a polish white person.. Again... Did I care.. nope..
There's a PLETHORA of other times I have been ripped on(houston, seattle, la, chicago), but I turn a cheek and walk on..
Racism goes both ways.
Took the train to a devils game in Newark.. Got dropped off at broad st.. Had to walk 15 blocks.. Heard every slang word you can call a polish white person.. Again... Did I care.. nope..
There's a PLETHORA of other times I have been ripped on(houston, seattle, la, chicago), but I turn a cheek and walk on..
Racism goes both ways.
This only holds true if you look at the apex fallacy of the term 'white people'. Within the defined group of 'white people', you have a number of sub-groups that most certainly can be on the receiving end of systematic racism.
Are you saying the Jews don't suffer racism?
Or are you just playing Oppression Olympics and saying that because blacks suffer the most racism in America, no-one else can complain?
I reject the notion that that only group most discriminated against can suffer from discrimination. It's much like the cry from some Feminists that "Misandry doesn't exist!". The only way to make those statements true are to warp the terms of it so much, they no longer relate to the actual definitions. This is what you've done to qualify your statement that white people can't experience racism, by redefining racism so it fits your world view.
gutter_trash
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If you ever go to Italy i suggest you keep that thought to yourself
hel,l Northern Italians hate on Southern Italians, paysanos from the same country
hate is in the air
No, I'm saying that categorically, based on little other than how one looks, blacks are discriminated against in a way that the sub groups belonging to the domain of white people are not. An Irish man is not an Irish man until you get further context. You can not racially profile an Irish man based on his appearance. They are not incarcerated at the same rates as minorities. They are white in America, in short.
Also, it's not just blacks. It's non whites. The white privilege is given to all whites, including the sub groups, regardless of history, because their skin is white.
Although I'm curious of the systemic racism that the Irish have to deal with. I'm aware of the stereotypes, like I mentioned before. I just don't see the system exclusionary to them, or any white sub culture.
I made my argument that an individual can experience racism, but the group of white people cannot, because the system is built in their favor and enforced primarily on how they look.
While sub cultures of white people have their own stereotypes and hardships, their white privilege is still granted to them based on their race and are not exclusionary in nature. They can go anywhere in America and be white.
You're all over the shop with this reply. Let's look at what sub-groups make up 'white people' in the US, to see if your statement has any truth to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States#White_Americans
Are you saying the Arabs don't get racially profiled on their appearance alone? Or Jews? Or Mexicans?
Are you redefining the definition of 'white people' to just mean humans with very pale skin and of Anglo-Saxon decent?
So to go back to my previous point, your viewpoint is only true if you completely warp the meaning of 'racism' and the meaning of 'white people'.
This entire tangent began with me pointing out the flaw in using the Irish as an example based on their rather close relationship in status with blacks in the mid 1860s, before they integrated into white America and discriminated against blacks in order to further that cause.
I have not warped the meaning of racism (in fact, have applied it to different subjects (a person, a particular group of people)), and the criteria for being a recipient of white privilege is to look white, identify as white, and to gain favorability based on how one looks. The lines are drawn primarily by that attribute and this is nothing new with my argument.
Tim the Wiz
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Fucking amazing :lol. I watched the whole thing.
Jane Elliott gives no fucks. So funny seeing how many of them don't like being looked down on or judged (based on things they can't control). Smh.
ElbowRocket
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As a white person living in South Africa me and my black colleagues joke about race everyday but no one takes it too far or too seriously.
Always-honest
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Have to agree with this.
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