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I've always wondered this. Who came up with the white, tall, skinny, bearded, long haired man that is shown to us in books, movies and T-Shirts? The bible has no pictures and never goes into detail on his looks, so who made it up?

Did the catholics or christians hold a meeting to discuss how they were gonna market Jesus's appearance to the world? Does anybody really know for sure?
 
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It's believed to be something that came out of Rome, fairly early.

Another interesting & related question (Rhetorical though) - Why was the nose removed from many Ancient Egyptian artifacts? (True, BTW) :P
 
Vennt said:
It's believed to be something that came out of Rome, fairly early.

Another interesting & related question (Rhetorical though) - Why was the nose removed from many Ancient Egyptian artifacts? (True, BTW) :P
Really? I didn't know that.

Other than the Sphinx, what other objects are missing their nose?
 
Ecrofirt said:
Really? I didn't know that.

Other than the Sphinx, what other objects are missing their nose?

Not just the sphinx, but Sphinxes:
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Old rulers:
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These are just the first 2 of many examples I found with a quick google search.
 
But by the fourth century, a great change of attitude began to take place among certain members of the Christian community. Even many orthodox Christians began to desire that Jesus be portrayed as the great philosophers of the world and with the Gentile depiction of divine greatness that they gave their gods. So Christians began to create a long haired "Jesus."

http://askelm.com/doctrine/d920201.htm
 
I was told that the reason that the noses are gone is because the Europeans didn't like how the noses were 'black' noses and not 'white' noses.
 
God created Jesus.

*reads post*

Many depictions of Jesus were based off of the artist's own face, and to an extent they were self portraits. According to my art history prof in High School. If he's wrong let me know and I'll print out your post and tie it to a rock and throw it through his windshield.
 
Uh, what do you think? The image of Christ that we know today is based off the holy shroud of Turin.

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Shroud of Turin Wikipedia


The Shroud of Turin (or Turin Shroud) is a linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have been physically traumatized in a manner consistent with crucifixion. It is presently kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist in Turin, Italy. Some believe it is the cloth that covered Jesus when he was placed in his tomb and that his image was somehow recorded on its fibers at or near the time of his imputed resurrection. Skeptics contend the shroud is a medieval hoax or forgery - or even a devotional work of artistic verisimilitude. It is the subject of intense debate among some scientists, believers, historians and writers regarding where, when and how the shroud and its images were created. Forceful arguments and evidence cited against the miraculous origin of the shroud images include a letter from a medieval bishop to the Avignon pope claiming personal knowledge that the image was cleverly painted to gain money from pilgrims; radiocarbon tests in 1988 that yielded a medieval timeframe for the cloth's fabrication; and analysis of the apparent "blood flecks" by microscopist Walter McCrone who concluded they are ordinary pigments. Forceful arguments and evidence cited for the shroud's being something other than a medieval forgery include textile and material analysis pointing to a 1st-century origin, the unusual properties of the image itself which some claim could not have been produced by any image forming technique known before the 19th century, analysis indicating that the 1988 radiocarbon dating was invalid, and chemical analyses of the purported blood stains which flatly contradict McCrone's assertions. Both skeptics and proponents tend to have very entrenched positions on the cause of formation of the shroud image, which has made dialogue very difficult. This may prevent the issue from ever being fully settled to the satisfaction of all sides.
 
Vennt said:
It's believed to be something that came out of Rome, fairly early.

Another interesting & related question (Rhetorical though) - Why was the nose removed from many Ancient Egyptian artifacts? (True, BTW) :P

I've heard that the French used the Shpinx as target practice when their armies were in that area a long time ago (~100ish year ago?) ... but that could very well be BS.
 
when christianity was still a cult within the roman empire jesus used to be a fit blonde blue eyed white guy. then the byzantines made him olive skinned and dark haired and sort of angry looking, then rich white kings made him white and scott stapp.
 
jett said:
The shroud is from the 14th century...so no.

IIRC it was thought of being from the 14th century, but it was because there were some bacterias on the shroud... later tests demonstrated that the shroud was indeed originating from the 1st century. Or something to the effect; I saw that long ago on TV... but now it's still not clear if that piece of clothing is a genuine holy artefact or not. But anyway, the image of Christ we know today is based off this shroud.

I think I also recall that early portrayals of Christ (in the first few centuries of the first millennium) looked like anything... and then, it all became similar; just like it is being portrayed on Turin's shroud. I learned this in school a very long time ago...
 
Lonewolf said:
but now it's still not clear if that piece of clothing is a genuine holy artefact or not.

Erm...It's not. Get your face wet and pat it on a cloth that shows moisture well. Your face is gonna look twice as wide as it really is. It's just a painting.
 
Manabanana said:
Erm...It's not. Get your face wet and pat it on a cloth that shows moisture well. Your face is gonna look twice as wide as it really is. It's just a painting.

I remember seeing something on television where they used some kind of 3D picture software on the shroud and it showed that it was indeed a 3D image made from a face, and not something someone painted on.
 
Shroud of Turin is a sham. Jesus is probably based off some radical cleric from the past. Probably a chill, hemp-smoking nigga, but who fucking cares? He didn't make fish and bread multiply. He didn't change water to wine. And I hate to say it, but he didn't die for our sins and then rise again three days later. David Blaine isn't that old. PEACE.
 
Pimpwerx said:
Shroud of Turin is a sham. Jesus is probably based off some radical cleric from the past. Probably a chill, hemp-smoking nigga, but who fucking cares? He didn't make fish and bread multiply. He didn't change water to wine. And I hate to say it, but he didn't die for our sins and then rise again three days later. David Blaine isn't that old. PEACE.

Liar, you don't hate to say it, you revel in it :P
 
Pimpwerx said:
Shroud of Turin is a sham. Jesus is probably based off some radical cleric from the past. Probably a chill, hemp-smoking nigga, but who fucking cares? He didn't make fish and bread multiply. He didn't change water to wine. And I hate to say it, but he didn't die for our sins and then rise again three days later. David Blaine isn't that old. PEACE.
it may be a sham, but carbon dating has it as a sham from the first century.

most of the ways that jesus looks is based on hallakhic tradition, which he followed closely. you know, beard, long hair, skinny, etc. Generally the image of your typical jewish peasant/preacher... not to be confused with the pharisees, who were rich fucks and totally non-representing of jews at large. past that you can probably assume he wasn't nearly as pale as he's portrayed, probably in an attempt by early proto-orthodox catholics to sway the opinions of the gentiles whom they were trying to recruit/convert in the midst of the whole destruction of the second temple/ jewish revolt period.

as for the man himself, he did indeed exist, as given in writings of various historians, most widely known one is probably josephus, although there are purely roman texts (and a couple greek ones, too, I believe, as one of the ptolemies recorded it) which discus his existence as well. Granted, none of them say whether he was a son of God, but it is historically accurate that a man named Jesus from Nazareth was crucified on Golgotha.
 
Jesus always takes the form of the culture in which is being discussed... many asian societies have him looking asian, and so on.
 
I would have preferred "Who created the modern American/European image of Jesus", as that is what you're talking about, but anyway...

Most cultures tended to portray Jesus and the various saints and prophets as members of their own culture. While there are a series of Eastern icons of Jesus ("Christ the Educator") which are supposedly traced back to the first century and attributed to a disciple of one of the apostles, most images were reflections of the artist and his culture. Jesus certainly wasn't black or white -- he was a Hebrew from the house of David, living in the Middle East around 2000 years ago. It shouldn't be that hard to imagine what he would look like.

Now I want to find the Christ the Educator icon again -- the tradition is that it is based on an original painted by a disciple to one of the Apostles. Not sure which one... I'd have to look it up. Icons are a bit different from western art and paintings, in that icons are generally copied over the ages, as opposed to being reflections of the culture's current styles or tastes.
 
The image of jesus probably originates even after the 4th century. St.Augustine(4th century) said that no one knows what jesus looked like. To paraphrase, he says, some say he looked very ugly and others say he was very good looking. Either way its clear there was no canonical image of Jesus at the time.
 
Boogie said:


Is that book based off the bible that one of our great Roman Emperor (i think it was Contastine the Great or somethin like that) threw together because those were the only stories he liiked? cuz yes we will never know the true stories of Jesus cuz the damn Vatican won't release all of books that were written before the "official Holy Bible" was made around 300 A.D.
 
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That's probably the best depiction that's been made of Him. As stated before, different cultures depict Him differently for easier relation purposes
 
kIdMuScLe said:
Is that book based off the bible that one of our great Roman Emperor (i think it was Contastine the Great or somethin like that) threw together because those were the only stories he liiked? cuz yes we will never know the true stories of Jesus cuz the damn Vatican won't release all of books that were written before the "official Holy Bible" was made around 300 A.D.


Actually it's most likely the King James version - even later and more truncated.
 
siege said:
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That's probably the best depiction that's been made of Him. As stated before, different cultures depict Him differently for easier relation purposes

If Jesus looked like that there would be an uproar.
 
Well Jesus would look like a Jewish holyman from around 2000 years ago born in the middle east, is that pic derived from what they looked like back then?
 
Vennt said:
It's believed to be something that came out of Rome, fairly early.

Another interesting & related question (Rhetorical though) - Why was the nose removed from many Ancient Egyptian artifacts? (True, BTW) :P


probably cause their noses looked too nubian. Good thing tha brothas had a back up plan known as cush.
 
whytemyke said:
it may be a sham, but carbon dating has it as a sham from the first century.

most of the ways that jesus looks is based on hallakhic tradition, which he followed closely. you know, beard, long hair, skinny, etc. Generally the image of your typical jewish peasant/preacher... not to be confused with the pharisees, who were rich fucks and totally non-representing of jews at large. past that you can probably assume he wasn't nearly as pale as he's portrayed, probably in an attempt by early proto-orthodox catholics to sway the opinions of the gentiles whom they were trying to recruit/convert in the midst of the whole destruction of the second temple/ jewish revolt period.

as for the man himself, he did indeed exist, as given in writings of various historians, most widely known one is probably josephus, although there are purely roman texts (and a couple greek ones, too, I believe, as one of the ptolemies recorded it) which discus his existence as well. Granted, none of them say whether he was a son of God, but it is historically accurate that a man named Jesus from Nazareth was crucified on Golgotha.

Carbon dating puts it in the 14th century. God some of you people will just be in denial to the point of insanity.
 
The answer to your question is simple: White people.

Scripture says God made us in his image, but I think it's actually the other way around.
 
whytemyke said:
it may be a sham, but carbon dating has it as a sham from the first century.

You know, when somebody actually links to a site with extensive information in the thread, it's harder to get away with complete bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin#Radiocarbon_dating

The carbon dating put it at the 14th century, but there's reason to believe the section that was tested is not representative of the shroud as a whole.

Although really, I doubt he existed at all.
 
jett said:
Carbon dating puts it in the 14th century. God some of you people will just be in denial to the point of insanity.
:lol ok. don't lump me in with those christian fuckwits, guy... makes you sound as dumb as they do. i was wrong on the carbon dating... last I saw on discovery channel they said it was 1st century. my bad, people!
 
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