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Why are people no longer having sex in Japan?
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How would they know if someone's doing it wrong?
Asian people will only have sex with white poeple if they have money to waste on them. Based on the area I live in....
The Living Tribunal
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I microwave steaks.
The amount of porn available is insane, at least whenever I went into those shops in tokyo. FLOORS I tell you. This doesn't even cover hentai haha.
But this article brang up an interesting perspective, how woman cannot really juggle a career and family life. It's interesting that they don't want to deal with the emotional stress that goes into a relationship, I wonder where that stems from.
shanshan310
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"I didn't read the article about the actual problems but Japanese women like white guys right? And Japanese dudes are into weird hentai shit lol".
Something must be wrong with the alcohol.
But seriously it sounds like the society developed in a way that makes the whole situation very hard. Deep systemic problem as the article highlights.
Most people heavily consider their economic situation before wedlock and child rearing. These people are doing the same and the system is too rigid.
I would bet the cost of living has only increased as well so the standard arrangement of 1 breadwinner and one stay-at-home parent forces shoe string budgets.
Are japanese younglings raised entirely at home until they hit primary school or are daycares a thing in Japan?
I am going to assume that in Japan multi-generational involvement is not a thing, its pretty common for the grandparents to take care of kids too. My maternal grandparents did much of my caretaking in my youngest years. Some cultures do this pretty fluidly with multi-generational homes.
But seriously it sounds like the society developed in a way that makes the whole situation very hard. Deep systemic problem as the article highlights.
Most people heavily consider their economic situation before wedlock and child rearing. These people are doing the same and the system is too rigid.
I would bet the cost of living has only increased as well so the standard arrangement of 1 breadwinner and one stay-at-home parent forces shoe string budgets.
Are japanese younglings raised entirely at home until they hit primary school or are daycares a thing in Japan?
I am going to assume that in Japan multi-generational involvement is not a thing, its pretty common for the grandparents to take care of kids too. My maternal grandparents did much of my caretaking in my youngest years. Some cultures do this pretty fluidly with multi-generational homes.
shanshan310
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Generally mothers stay at home to raise them for a lot longer than that. I'm not 100% sure how long maternity leave is but they do get it and it is no where near 24 months.
In my experience, some mothers try to return to the workforce after childbirth (putting children in daycare for a couple of days a week) but it's usually different part time work. If they keep on at their old jobs they are usually expected to work the long hours they did before they got pregnant. Day care centres can be difficult to find though, and there are big waiting lists to get in.
EDIT: There are a lot of multigenerational homes in Japan, but I've never known grandparents raising children to be wide spread. A lot of the time the grandparents are pretty old, so the mother has to look after them too. Or the parents have moved to a bigger city for work and the grandparents still live away in the countryside.
I remember watching something about this. The show wasn't solely about this, but the subject was explored. They have bars in Japan where girls can go and pay for some company. There was this one Japanese woman that was stunningly beautiful, yet she had to go to one of these bars on her birthday to get some company. The presenter couldn't believe that she had to pay a man to give her some company. (lol)
Hmm thats interesting. I was just talking to a coworker about this recently who has a 1 year old and his wife is quitting work to stay at home to take care of the kid. They probably will take the time to have another kid nwo so that in about 6 years time they can have both in primary/near primary school so she can return to work. He has a pretty solid job but they have to cut a bunch of the fat out of the family budget to make it work.
We have pretty low costs of living here(LA) so I cant imagine what it would be like with higher living costs.
It seems part of my post got deleted. New distro is not liking my wifi adapter
Requiring 2 incomes to raise a child makes child-rearing a luxury good.
jamesinclair
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What do kids have to do with having sex...?
Both are side effects of the work and tech society according to the article.
The article was split a bit about sex/relationships/children. Different data relating to the same problem.
alfredofroylan
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Hey Japan, please send your secret to Mexico, according to my family they have the opposite problem.
Why don't you read what I quoted instead of me doing the job for you?
Here's I'll throw you a bone, cherry picked because the whole article literally lays it out for you but this is one aspect on each side that sums it well:
They're so relationship phobic for various reasons on both sides that it got to the point that sex itself is happening a lot less.
Japanese porn sucks but Japanese women are hot, on mute anyway... if that's honestly how they are in bed, no thanks. They all look and sound like they absolutely hate sex.
Sho_Nuff82
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It seems like the West's casual hookup culture hasn't really translated all that much over there. It's really bizarre that young people aren't experimenting at all without the pressure of marriage/children, especially without the religious taboos against premarital sex. The lack of birth control that someone mentioned above may factor into that. And socialization may play a roll as well. In American culture, there is social pressure to have sexual partners as young and as often as possible before getting married.
gutter_trash
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Japan needs to adopt a progressive measures when it comes to maternity leave and such. Also change its mindset when it comes to mothers.
Lots of Canadian provinces now provide good maternity leave and has encouraged a mini-baby boom today
Lots of Canadian provinces now provide good maternity leave and has encouraged a mini-baby boom today
In the thread on the Vice story, someone noted that a lot of Japanese women actually leave the country when they want to start a family.
Again, is that a cause? Or a symptom?
The article in this thread states that a lot of people seek commoditized intimacy in order to fill the hole left by deciding to not engage in full relationships.
According to an above poster, contraception is apparently still uncommon in Japan.
And they need to start paying the average man more too.
not psycho
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Lmao.
IISANDERII
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Noticed it started happening ever since Japan got Gamefly.
ComputerMKII
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Those legs are so Japanese
Cheesecakebobby
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I wish Japan had Gamefly
Zoe
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The woman is expected to stay home regardless of income.
Sinfamy
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The man are are too socially secluded/ isolated, timid and awkward with terrible social and love making skills, and the women are used to that, and expect so little of them.
That is why drool all over tall, outgoing, and handsome westerners.
If the Japanese men put away their 3DS, took care of themselves, got a jolt of confidence, and started being romantic, you'd be surprised what a swift change you'd see. Instead they barely talk to their women, constantly look at their phone, never touch them, and are sometimes downright mean and demanding. I have see this countless times.
That is why drool all over tall, outgoing, and handsome westerners.
If the Japanese men put away their 3DS, took care of themselves, got a jolt of confidence, and started being romantic, you'd be surprised what a swift change you'd see. Instead they barely talk to their women, constantly look at their phone, never touch them, and are sometimes downright mean and demanding. I have see this countless times.
No hair is filthy and one must be completely smooth and hairless in order to be pure.You guys are going to laugh at me but the solution to this is hair. A hairy Japan will do better. If you want to use an anime character as inspiration use this:
And the average man can barely afford to sustain himself, let alone himself and 2 others.
You're deluding yourself. Japanese men are some of the hardest workers on the planet, where suicide is common if they feel they've failed.
From wikipedia:
If you ask me, this new generation is just playing the hand that was dealt to them in the best way possible. The family option can lead to disaster as they saw from the previous generations so they just stopped playing altogether.
shinobi602
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Holy shit
Sho_Nuff82
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...women still wouldn't marry them, as it would require giving up their careers.
If the US had matured culturally but didn't have the Civil Rights Act, we'd probably see a lot of the same problems. We have the opposite problem in fact, an increasing number of successful career women complaining that men are not falling over themselves to marry them. Both cultures have led to less marriages and lower birth rates is seems though.
A Black Falcon
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Yeah, the reason why is in the end of your quote there.
Japan, like some other nations such as South Korea (which has a birthrate just about as low as Japan's), has an unbelievably low birthrate because they have failed to adapt to the modern world and are sticking with their now-traditional sexist systems that pretty much force women permanently out of the labor force as soon as they get married. That kind of serious sexism is incompatible with the world today, so women respond by not getting married or having children. Things will only get better if Japan and South Korea ever manage to lighten up on the sexism.
In Europe, for example, the countries which still have the most labor-force-sexism, which are in southern Europe (Spain, Italy, etc.) have lower birthrates than the nations of northern Europe, which are more equal. That is not a coincidence.
Japan, like some other nations such as South Korea (which has a birthrate just about as low as Japan's), has an unbelievably low birthrate because they have failed to adapt to the modern world and are sticking with their now-traditional sexist systems that pretty much force women permanently out of the labor force as soon as they get married. That kind of serious sexism is incompatible with the world today, so women respond by not getting married or having children. Things will only get better if Japan and South Korea ever manage to lighten up on the sexism.
In Europe, for example, the countries which still have the most labor-force-sexism, which are in southern Europe (Spain, Italy, etc.) have lower birthrates than the nations of northern Europe, which are more equal. That is not a coincidence.
No. It's loli anime.
I have to laugh at the term "parasaito shingurus" - parasite singles.
Facetious comments aside, this issue is more a symptom of the corporate work culture they have and the economic realities of the younger folks. We see similar behavior (but not to the extreme that Japan faces due to other cultural factors) in American and western European societies. The fact that people are required to have a 2 income household to raise a child and maintain a standard of living they're used to makes it more likely that they will decide to hold back on having kids or have less kids or have no kids at all as we see with the Japanese.
Facetious comments aside, this issue is more a symptom of the corporate work culture they have and the economic realities of the younger folks. We see similar behavior (but not to the extreme that Japan faces due to other cultural factors) in American and western European societies. The fact that people are required to have a 2 income household to raise a child and maintain a standard of living they're used to makes it more likely that they will decide to hold back on having kids or have less kids or have no kids at all as we see with the Japanese.
Don't forget that currently the average Japanese man isn't financially able to support a family either. Poster after poster keeps skipping over that.
This isn't just a one gender problem that happened overnight. This is stemming back from the 80s and 90s bubble and has gotten more extreme to the point where the current generation isn't playing ball. Check my post above.
shanshan310
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Oh, condoms are pretty widely accessible but that's about it. There was no sexual revolution of women finding freedom through the pill. According to some of my friends, it's considered "romantic" not to use contraception anyway :/
They don't have religious pressures, but there are still a lot of societal factors. A lot of people (especially women) are still fairly conservative about sex, and like I said, there was no sexual revolution like we had in the west.
Joel Was Right
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Interesting
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Oh come on GAF we've had this thread time and time again. At this point there should be an OT.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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I mean this could be factually true. It seems almost certain.
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