Why are steroids so looked down on?

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Odoul

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Baseball really isn't a sport I follow. But I know steroids are a pretty big issue now.
I follow the NFL and am I the only one who presumes everyone's doing it?

I know it's outlawed and illegal. The cheating angle really doesn't mean much to me.

The biggest thing is safety. Shouldn't there be research to one day make them legal and useful? To increase strength and cut down healing time without your bean exploding?

I probably wouldn't risk using them, but I can see why an athlete would.
 
Well, Steroids are cheating for one.

For two, they're dangerous if used without enough knowledge and professional and amateur use tends to promote use in younger athletes, who generally do not have the knowledge and background to use responsibly.
 
Exactly. On top of that, competition will further become more of a game of who has the most money to make themselves the top competitor, which sort of defeats the whole purpose of sport IMO.
 
I'm amazed how lacklustre the response is in american sports and how nobody seems to care. Take anything in football (soccer) or miss a drugs test and u b fucked :P 4-10 months usually
 
ge-man said:
Exactly. On top of that, competition will further become more of a game of who has the most money to make themselves the top competitor, which sort of defeats the whole purpose of sport IMO.
It still is about that in part. Whoever can afford the best masking agents.
 
Odoul said:
Why are steroids so looked down on?

Because of this
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Another problem (besides the 'roid rage, man breasts, shruken tesitcles, acne, etc) is the fact that they only increase muscle mass, but not really legaments and bones. They can't handle the mass and power demnaded by the juiced up muscles, and thats usually why 'roiders have joint problems and other such things.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
Another problem (besides the 'roid rage, man breasts, shruken tesitcles, acne, etc) is the fact that they only increase muscle mass, but not really legaments and bones. They can't handle the mass and power demnaded by the juiced up muscles, and thats usually why 'roiders have joint problems and other such things.

*BUZZ* wrong. Actually steroids are GREAT for your joints. One of the effects of steroids is an inrush and retention of fluid in the joints, ligaments, and tendons. Basically this makes them more flexible and increases their tensile strength. It is a well known fact that taking steroids also increases joint injury recovery. Now while it may be true that muscle growth can outpace ligament and tendon growth the same is true under normal circumstances as well.
 
It's cheating...at life!

Sports(to me) are naturally gifted or very hard working athletes playing the events at which they excell. Steriods take away from that.
 
Its a shame steroids are looked down upon because they are very beneficial for men who reach Andropause. Read up on HRT. Men in their 40s and 50s have huge changes in life just from a Testosterone boost. Many doctors and patients are worried about prescribing HRT since the doctors can have their licences yanked for prescribing HRT that might just be one mg/ml over the recommended.

As for athletics, you must understand that with steroids, its not a free walk. You got to eat more (protein synthesis), work out harder, and try hard. Steroids' effects are minimal without the work ethic to really make your body grow. There are drawbacks but what the fuck drug doesn't? Aspirin kills hundreds annually. How many deaths from Oxycontin and Vioxx happened before the FDA pulled the drugs?

Teenagers should not be using steroids. The first reason is their bodies are all over the place. Kids' emotions are like ping pong balls in a dryer. Add in a hormone to it and its crazy. Why do you see some women who take birth control act like different people? Hormones, baby. Unfortunately, contrary to media hype, many steroid users are in their 20s and 30s. Many of them have clean criminal records and have their assets seized and lives ruined for cosmetic purposes. These men just want to add 5-10 lbs to their bodies. How is this different than a woman wanting fake breasts? How is this different than hair plugs? All have risks but when something can be sensationalized by men like Biden, its about a media opportunity to scrounge up some more votes.

Also for health risks, if steroids are bad, why the fuck is fast food legal? Both are liver damaging (see: Super Size Me), both mess up your Cholesterol values. The difference is one is accepted and one is not. Steroids are done in 6-20 week cycles. If you cycle nothing but fast food in, I guarantee your body will be in as poor of a shape if not worse than a cycle of Testosterone and Dianabol.

The steroid ban is fucking bullshit. It is possible to have it legal and not allow use for professionals and teenagers but they won't do it. Lame.
 
In another thread I talked about various reasons why I can't stand American sports. Now that I think about it, steroid might be on the top of that list.
 
FortNinety said:
In another thread I talked about various reasons why I can't stand American sports. Now that I think about it, steroid might be on the top of that list.


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The only sport it's really a problem in is baseball. Despite the fact that guys from the NFL look like they're juiced, the league uses a system adopted from the olympics. And if you think all the NBA players are using them ... well ... I don't know what to tell you. I'll just say that I'm pretty sure pot is the #1 thing the NBA has to test for.
 
I think its amazing that this is even a discussion, in europe its a no brainer, take any drugs and u are fucked. U get what 3 game bans in the usa? wtf
 
The Experiment said:
Its a shame steroids are looked down upon because they are very beneficial for men who reach Andropause. Read up on HRT. Men in their 40s and 50s have huge changes in life just from a Testosterone boost. Many doctors and patients are worried about prescribing HRT since the doctors can have their licences yanked for prescribing HRT that might just be one mg/ml over the recommended.

As for athletics, you must understand that with steroids, its not a free walk. You got to eat more (protein synthesis), work out harder, and try hard. Steroids' effects are minimal without the work ethic to really make your body grow. There are drawbacks but what the fuck drug doesn't? Aspirin kills hundreds annually. How many deaths from Oxycontin and Vioxx happened before the FDA pulled the drugs?

Teenagers should not be using steroids. The first reason is their bodies are all over the place. Kids' emotions are like ping pong balls in a dryer. Add in a hormone to it and its crazy. Why do you see some women who take birth control act like different people? Hormones, baby. Unfortunately, contrary to media hype, many steroid users are in their 20s and 30s. Many of them have clean criminal records and have their assets seized and lives ruined for cosmetic purposes. These men just want to add 5-10 lbs to their bodies. How is this different than a woman wanting fake breasts? How is this different than hair plugs? All have risks but when something can be sensationalized by men like Biden, its about a media opportunity to scrounge up some more votes.

Also for health risks, if steroids are bad, why the fuck is fast food legal? Both are liver damaging (see: Super Size Me), both mess up your Cholesterol values. The difference is one is accepted and one is not. Steroids are done in 6-20 week cycles. If you cycle nothing but fast food in, I guarantee your body will be in as poor of a shape if not worse than a cycle of Testosterone and Dianabol.

The steroid ban is fucking bullshit. It is possible to have it legal and not allow use for professionals and teenagers but they won't do it. Lame.

I don't think that post is totally off, but people, especially here in America, like to be in denial about what all the prescription drugs they're taking are doing to their bodies. Steroids are a nice thing to point a finger at and say "oh, there's a bad drug!" while we all feel great about ourselves popping Ritalin, weight loss pills, and God knows what else. But for me, this cuts for regulating drugs more strictly, rather than against as you seem to indicate.
 
Hey, I don't think steriods in themselves are bad or that other medicines won't fuck up your body. I do think any kind of performance enhancers cheapen the sport.

The other problem I have with steroid use is that I think it's slippery slope. What's next, gene therapy (when the technology matures)? Again, it will be about whose has the bigger bank for treatment and not about people being naturally gifted or having trained for many years to get the point of being national or internationally competitive.
 
The only sport it's really a problem in is baseball

No. I remember a couple months back, I was telling people how common this was in the NFL but nobody wanted to believe me. Whenever there is a sport, you can guarantee that performance enhancing drugs are being used. Some steroids have short half lives so its easy for an athlete anywhere in the world (not just America) to do some discreet cycles of steroids.

But for me, this cuts for regulating drugs more strictly, rather than against as you seem to indicate.

I personally think steroids should be legal but only with a doctor. So that way tests can be ran and if there are any problems, they can take you off of them and put you on anti-Estrogenic therapy. One reason why men get breasts is because after steroids, you take anti-Estrogens until your boys come back in full force, which is usually a few weeks. Just a side note. I'm just saying there's no reason why steroids must be banned altogether and not just have it illegal for anyone under, lets say, 25.

There are much more dangerous drugs out there than steroids, many of them are still being prescribed to millions of people. I'm a Libertarian though so my solution for these substances is to re-evaluate them to see if banning them is really necessary. We've become all too ban happy.

Again, it will be about whose has the bigger bank for treatment and not about people being naturally gifted or having trained for many years to get the point of being national or internationally competitive.

That is a good point but like I said before, steroids are mainly used for cosmetic reasons by adult males. They are more used for this purpose than athletics. I agree with you about gene therapy. Although this is what happens with medicine.
 
Odoul said:
Steroids are not the problem. Nobody takes anabolic steroids anymore which is the main term the public understands. Ben Johnson = cheat = steroids. Anabolic steroids are not safe. They fuck you up. Example all the losers at the gym who look like WWE guys. WWE is a major problem. Boys grow up trying to look ripped and pumped, which is almost impossible naturally. Retards that just buy drugs from a gym or Mexico like Giambi are morons. Deca, Nadralone, HGH is all noob shit. You take that and people will ask you if you are retarded. Steroids is the stone age of cheating drugs.

Sports today is all about designer drugs, stimulants, and blood doping now because they are undetectable and they are fairly risk free. Plus anyone who is using seriously has a doctor monitoring them. So ya its cheating but if its safe and you can't get caught is the dillema. You still have to lift the weights and learn technique, but I say this is an advancement in technology. Much like coaching, weightlifting, the fibre glass pole vault, shoes, electronic timers, instant replay. They didn't have this stuff in Ancient Greece.

Odoul said:
The biggest thing is safety. Shouldn't there be research to one day make them legal and useful? To increase strength and cut down healing time without your bean exploding?
Trying to do research to cut down on this is impossible. To make a designer drug would cost 100 dollars. The cost to find a unknown drug and test for it would be multi-millions of dollars. So why bother. It is literally a needle in a haystack. Unless you know what you are looking for you would have better luck buying lottery tickets.

The one thing that scares me is genetics. I am scared that some countries like China would do anything to win some at the Beijing Olympics as some sort of show of world domination. I think they are crazy enough to create some genetically enhanced athletes and train them in their sweatshops. It's crazy but if you have an unlimited budget and a Gestapo government that steals information anything could happen. I also think that the US public values fair play even though a lot of its athletes cheat, but other countries do not. China's agenda is win and I don't think the people have a say in fair play. I mean how come all of a sudden they have 3 basketball players taller than 7 feet tall and Yao Ming is still growing. Genetic enhancement is impossible to detect and enforce.
 
Bud said:
It'll make your dick smaller.

Wrong.

There are now thousands of artifical variations of Testosterone. It is impossible to find them all. Underground chemists will always find new hormones that stay one or two steps ahead of doping tests. Designer drugs are the new wave of the future. Plus taking something like Nandrolone (Deca-Durabolin) is idiotic since it can be detected for at least 12 months after your last injection.

Many steroids are falling out of favor because they also last a very long time. There are the short half life steroids but many are pretty weak and ineffective. Still, a couple pounds more of muscle can be just the edge a player needs to have to make a game winning touchdown or the tie breaking home run.
 
All I can say to people that bash drug use in sports and single out one or two individuals is: "You have no idea".
For every athlete that is exposed as using performance enhancing drugs there are 10 that are getting away with it.
How is it that the average vertical leap in the NBA has increased by more than half a foot over the last decade?? Is it the shoes??
How is it that most athletes come back from injuries so quickly now?? Better ice??
How come hockey players are so big now?

I work in the sports supplement industry and have worked 1 on 1 with several professional athletes over the years. If it can make them better. They will take it.

And I applaud them for it.
 
Why are steroids so looked down on?

Simple. Because it makes you a pussy. You give up on self-motivation and self-control and take the easy way out.

Another reason, it leads to injuries. 2 out of 5 offensive lineman on my college team used steroids. The same 2 offensive lineman tore their knees up a few games into the season leaving the rest of us to pick up the slack. I don't believe its a coincidence.

Third reason, insane amounts of hair growth. In places you never had it before. Pull out the wax you're gonna need it, and not just for that big gash that's between your legs.
 
The problem with steroids is what they'd do to the competitive playing field. It basically would require athletes, by and large, to juice up or not compete unless they were part of that magical 2% of extremely gifted people. IMO, there's no value in having artificially stronger, faster athletes, especially if it's going to potentially hurt them down the road. League bans on performance-enhancing drugs make a lot of sense because they essentially look out for the welfare of all athletes.

As performance enhancers, I see no reason why they should be legal. As therapeutic tools, I can understand the argument... but there are already a lot of medical applications for substances banned by professional sports (correct me if I'm wrong, but doctors can prescribe anabolic steroids, can't they?). I think safety generally takes the lead on whether or not they're used in medicine.
 
The Experiment said:
There are much more dangerous drugs out there than steroids, many of them are still being prescribed to millions of people. I'm a Libertarian though so my solution for these substances is to re-evaluate them to see if banning them is really necessary. We've become all too ban happy.

Tell that to people who've died from Vioxx, become addicted to Oxycontin, or been irreversibly harmed by countless other prescription drugs (something which you, once again, acknowledge and then later conveniently forget or completely ignore when formulating your conclusion two sentences later).

Additionally, your statement that "I personally think steroids should be legal but only with a doctor. So that way tests can be ran and if there are any problems, they can take you off of them and put you on anti-Estrogenic therapy" demonstrates an almost child-like faith in the medical community to prescribe drugs only when they are safe enough for people to use, a ridiculous notion when considering what has happened in the case of so many other prescription drugs and, as you mentioned, "[t]here are much more dangerous drugs out there than steroids, many of them are still being prescribed to millions of people." I'm not "ban happy"; I'm just a realist. Unless you're advocating only for steroid legalization in the case of serious medical need, which is a slightly more palatable option, but one I'm not certain you'd limit yourself to judging by your zealotry.
 
Simple. Because it makes you a pussy. You give up on self-motivation and self-control and take the easy way out.

::Beats head on monitor::

Not even close but thanks for trying.

Another reason, it leads to injuries

Yeah, as if injuries didn't happen to football before steroids. Rolleyes x infinity + 1

Tell that to people who've died from Vioxx, become addicted to Oxycontin, or been irreversibly harmed by countless other prescription drugs

There were reports of Oxycontin's addiction before it came out. There were reports of heart problems with Vioxx and its variants before they came out. The FDA approved them anyway because they're in bed with pharmaceuticals. So if you want questions, direct them to the FDA. They're not taking the Libertarian approach, they're taking the approach of who can pay them off the best.

It was fine for pharmaceuticals to leave out the side effects. Now they must report all the major ones. So the people who died and became addicted to drugs did contribute to how they were done in the future. Now when there's a new arthritis drug, people are able to hear the side effects and long term effects of the drug before choosing to get it. If they decide to invest in the drug anyway, they are playing the risks.

Unless you're advocating only for steroid legalization in the case of serious medical need, which is a slightly more palatable option, but one I'm not certain you'd limit yourself to judging by your zealotry.

Zealotry? Where the fuck did that come from? As for serious medical need, is plastic surgery a serious medical need? It can be but people can use it for cosmetic purposes. I don't see why steroids could not be used in the same manner. Both carry risks and benefits at the same time. Its up to the people to decide whether its worth it or not. Steroids are not physically addictive either and nobody has crashed a car under the influence of steroids.

If you're a guy, all you have to do is look down at the shrinkage

Yeah, until you're done with steroids. A few weeks later, they come back in full force.
 
BigGreenMat said:
*BUZZ* wrong. Actually steroids are GREAT for your joints. One of the effects of steroids is an inrush and retention of fluid in the joints, ligaments, and tendons. Basically this makes them more flexible and increases their tensile strength. It is a well known fact that taking steroids also increases joint injury recovery. Now while it may be true that muscle growth can outpace ligament and tendon growth the same is true under normal circumstances as well.

Thank you, almost his entire post was incorrect.

But to answer the question it does prevent an unlevel playing field, and things can go terribly wrong for those who abuse it.

Long term affects of some 17 alkaloids are heart disease and major liver damage, but low dosage, 19 alkaloid, and non androgenic types like Deca and Equpoise are probably actually better for the body than har,. but studies were banned in the late 70's and they are clumped together with the 17 alkaloids and highly androgenice steroids like testosterone.
 
Just a side note, I do however think it's a shame doctors are so scared to prescribe types like deca which actually help rebuild and rehab tendons/ligaments for people after serious injuries or accidents like major car wrecks, fires or whatever when a person faces serious physical trauma and has to go to rehab to walk, or whatever again.

If these people had something to help them get past this important point when they need it most, more poeple could walk again, or live a better life, once scar tissue sets in, it's almost impossible to get past it, and the little extra recovering help could mean the difference.
 
I guess anybody can find a rationalization for anything if they like it enough.

I don't see how using steroids to gain an advantage in athletics isn't for pussies. It allows you to gain muscle mass faster and with less resting time in between workouts. While, everybody else has to work their ass off even more and deal with more pain to compete with the roidheads. Athletes who stay away from steroids are ABSOLUTELY more mentally and physically tough.

Injuries happen in every sport, you are correct. But I am absolutely certain the percentage of injuries among steroid users is higher. It is known that steroid use among weight lifters is associated with higher percentages of injuries. Deny it all you like, it is fact.

Aside from injuries, you are also fucking up your cardiovascular system. Sudden cardiac arrests are all too common among steroid users. While you may not notice the effects now, you are severly destroying your heart for later on in life.

You can say all you want that millions of other drugs have horrible side effects, and you are correct. But, if you're only reason to take anabolic steroids is for vanity, then I hardly see any reason to deal with the side-effects. It just reveals your low self-esteem.
 
While, everybody else has to work their ass off even more and deal with more pain to compete with the roidheads

Yes but steroids without any training yields so little results that its not worth the money ($150-250 for a complete cycle including anti estrogen therapy) to shell out for it. The steroid users need to train hard, consume high levels of protein and carbohydrates to get the job done. My point is, you need to train hard, if not harder, than the other people who choose not to use steroids.

As for competition, what if lets say one baseball player has twice the testosterone has another player. The second player is fucked where the first player can reap the benefits because of genetics. How is that fair to the second player?

Deny it all you like, it is fact

It is a fact but thats not the whole picture. For weight lifters, see how unlikely it is to be injured if you are benching 500+ and squatting/deadlifting 700+. If you throw around heavy weights, you're eventually going to get injured. Steroids have no real involvement in it. Talk to construction workers who got to lift weights constantly. Talk to them five years later and ask them if they were injured or feel sore.

The more physically active you are, the more bound you are to be injured from a weight lifter to baseball player to marathon runner. Steroids don't change anything. For cardiovascular systems, the more stress you place on it, the more likely it is to give out on you. However, there are thousands of bodybuilders from the 1960s and 1970s that are still alive today. Although to their credit, steroids were used to prevent muscle loss when trying to burn fat. Arnold for example used steroids for that purpose.

People trying to do hardcore stacks will run into more risks, that is a fact. However someone using steroids for the sake of what bodybuilders did 30+ years ago will probably never experience the drawbacks of it. Moderation is key, much like smoking, drinking, weed, etc.

then I hardly see any reason to deal with the side-effects

Thats up to the individual to decide. Some person may choose to feel loopy instead of hopelessly depressed. Some people may choose to feel good instead of having cottonmouth and sluggishness for marijuana.

I guess anybody can find a rationalization for anything if they like it enough.

I've never taken the stuff.
 
You know, it's good to see a few intelligent posts in this thread that don't simply parrot the media opinion of the day.





ge-man said:
Exactly. On top of that, competition will further become more of a game of who has the most money to make themselves the top competitor, which sort of defeats the whole purpose of sport IMO.

Heh, oh really?

Life in needle park
Young Dominican baseball players pump up on performance-enhancing drugs

Steroids and veterinary medications are readily available, Geoff Baker reports


LA ROMANA, Dominican Republic—A lonely grave in a cemetery plot filled with garbage and stench looms as the next battleground in the war over performance-enhancing drugs in baseball.

This is where they buried 19-year-old Lino Ortiz shortly after the Dominican catcher tried to get stronger for a tryout with the Philadelphia Phillies by injecting himself with Diamino, a veterinary supplement used to treat sick horses and cows. A dark baseball secret of this impoverished Caribbean nation of 8 million, home to stars such as Sammy Sosa, Vladimir Guerrero and Pedro Martinez, is how its desperate teenage players systematically use anabolic steroids and cheaper, more dangerous farm animal supplements in seeking out fame and riches.

These substances are legal here, sold over the counter in pharmacies and pet stores and given to players as young as 13 by parents and guru-like, freelance street agents — known as buscones — hoping to share in any future professional contract. In many ways, the cockroaches that now scurry across Ortiz's grave as rare visitors approach seem symbolic of a baseball system teeming with greed, exploitation and a drug culture that grabs players young and doesn't let go.

"He said he was going to get us a bigger house and make life better for our family," said Ortiz's younger brother, Jonathan, now 20, displaying the shared bedroom where his sibling often discussed his baseball dreams. "We'd talked about it since we were kids. How to succeed in life and grow up being somebody."

Instead, his brother took Diamino — a highly potent mixture of nine vitamins and minerals, including one not found in human supplements — slipped into a coma and died.

Results of Major League Baseball's drug program show major- and minor-league players from Latin American countries forming roughly 50 per cent of those testing positive for performance-enhancing substances. Some players blame language and misunderstandings about the tests for the curious results posted by a group comprising 26 per cent of major leaguers and 38 per cent of minor leaguers.

But an investigation by the Star this month in the Dominican Republic, the country producing the most players outside the U.S., has found another explanation for the failure rate is a baseball system in which performance-enhancing drugs are ingrained at a young age and carried into the pro ranks. Dozens of interviews with players, coaches, scouts, agents, doctors and top baseball officials detailed how such drugs flow off store shelves and into the bodies of cash-starved prospects.

Those prospects are now reaching the majors in record numbers, with Latin American players having doubled since 1992 and Dominicans alone forming 12 per cent of the big-league population. The talent game here is big business and even the Blue Jays, dormant in recent years, jumped back into it big-time last month with the $675,000 (all figures U.S.) signing of 19-year-old third baseman Leance Soto.

Players are taking shortcuts to a desperately needed payday. Empty needle packets litter ballparks, where players mix drugs in with Vitamin B-12 shots their buscones provide to hasten physical growth.

"Nobody knows exactly what percentage of kids are using drugs," said Jose Escarraman, an ex-buscone working to reform and organize his colleagues into a coaching association that can be better monitored for abuses. "But in a country like this, where signing a contract can change your life forever ... imagine what they'll be willing to do."

Escarraman said "people sipping their cappuccinos on Fifth Avenue" have no idea how desperate things here are.

Read the rest at this link, as well as the followup here.

What's bad about the enhancement abuse isn't the issue of cheating in my eyes...it's the ridiculous naivity (much of it willingly) and misinformation that many people have regarding it. Christ, it isn't like this story is anything new...athletes have been popping shit for decades. I'd say it goes back 50 years, but even that might be a conservative number. And why wouldn't it? Athletes are celebrated when they put their body on the line to win at any cost, legal or otherwise. Enforcers and cheap shot artists are lauded in sports like hockey and basketball as players who do whatever it takes to win. Yet someone willing to risk DYING is looked down upon? Huh? You tell me where the consistency is in that logic.

This issue goes WAY beyond steroids, it goes WAY beyond being rich enough to afford the enhancers (though money certainly helps to mask them), and it goes WAY beyond simply sticking a needle in your arm. That this sort of shit has gone on for years without being noticed by the powers that be simply isn't believable. Which then points to a system that either needs to be flushed from the top, or addressed in a manner where this stuff is made legal and is regulated, so long as athletes understand and are willing to accept the risk. And it's quite clear that the vast majority of them have no issue accepting that risk. Neither do fans for that matter. And don't get me started on the media (hey guys, you can do that Carl Lewis followup any day now you fucking phonies).

The funniest thing about this is that some people believe that steroids and similiar products will be to body enhancement what the Wright Brothers were to flight. Basically we're yammering away about small fry shit. They're talking about microscopic, possibly undetectable computer chips that'll be able to aid the human body in such a way that the men's 100 metres will be able to be completed in the 8's. And this sort of stuff will be available to ANYONE. It'll be fun seeing people move the moral/ethics goalposts around for that era.







Nerevar said:
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The only sport it's really a problem in is baseball.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

I assume you mean the only sport with a weak-kneed testing policy is baseball...but even that isn't accurate, since the NHL's is even worse. Not that I'd expect anyone to remember that MIA league.

And it has to be pointed out again (since some people seem to forget)...Balco was one of the biggest flukes in the last decade. If someone doesn't decide to mail a needle to some San Fran newspaper, nobody's talking about this shit, Congress isn't saying shit, and Bonds, Sosa and Giambi wouldn't be guilty of anything more then simple circumstance. And if you think there's only one Balco out there, you're dumber then a brick.

Oh yeah, one more thing...if Ben Johnson was an American, he would've never been banned. That's a fact that's indisputable.
 
Odoul said:
The biggest thing is safety. Shouldn't there be research to one day make them legal and useful? To increase strength and cut down healing time without your bean exploding?

Yeah, that research is called "professional body building." I'd say 99% of the pro heavy-weight body-builders out there will admit to using steroids at this point. They even talk about their steroid "routines," using combos of steroids and timings and so on to enhance the effects.

Those guys are basically experimenting on themselves, I'd say...
 
Using steroids is NOT cheating IMO. To say using steroids is cheating is no different than saying that having shaq on your team is cheating (ok, so he is naturally a giant... so what? does he not have an OBVIOUS advantage over the shorter guys?). That is why at least in boxing, they have weight classes (otherwise, why not throw in tyson with a feather weight?) If we are to define cheating in such broad terms, then really every damn thing can be considered cheating by virtue of natural ability.

Now people who use steroids ARE STUPID, simply because they are destroying themselves for the sake of a sport, but that is another topic.
 
Doube D said:
Using steroids is NOT cheating IMO. To say using steroids is cheating is no different than saying that having shaq on your team is cheating (ok, so he is naturally a giant... so what? does he not have an OBVIOUS advantage over the shorter guys?). That is why at least in boxing, they have weight classes (otherwise, why not throw in tyson with a feather weight?) If we are to define cheating in such broad terms, then really every damn thing can be considered cheating by virtue of natural ability.

Now people who use steroids ARE STUPID, simply because they are destroying themselves for the sake of a sport, but that is another topic.
It took you that long to come up come up with that post?
 
My least favorite misconception is people think that you just shoot up, and instantly begin to grow muscles. Almost through osmosis. Usually guys that are roid heads, are the hardest working, most competitive people you will ever meet. They get so caught up in maximizing thier potential, that they go ahead and use.


The term "steroid" is such a misleading term, that it is almost irrelevent to today's pro athlete. Most are taking designer steroids, or human growth hormone (or variants of) ... they do not even remotely resemble the Deca's, Dinabol's and Sten of years gone by.
Also, instead of receiving these through Mexico or some local dealer .. many are getting them through professionals, who know what they are doing, and are making sure they do not do harm to thier bodies.


The real danger is at the minor league level or college level. These are kids/guys who do not have the resources to make informed decisions, and are often abusing thier bodies to "get ahead". Who knows how many of these guys never get their shot, and have abused thier bodies with too many steroids. You will never hear thier stories .. because no one really cares about the lifetime minor leaguer who hit .245 for Pawtucket or the left tackle who played 7 years in the Arena Football League.
 
the big problem is misinformation, and lots of skinny morons who just say "o it shrinks your penis" while they eat cheetos and play wow
 
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