Why are you not willing to donate your organs?

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Krejlooc said:
by the time someone is in a grave, their organs are useless. And decomposition would ensure that there isn't too many tremendous uses for science, outside of practice for cutting up a body.
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Not for organs, for research. And the cutting practice, whatever they want.
 
ClosingADoor said:
It is also your choice to accept it or not, isn't it? So what makes you worthy of a strangers organ donation and him not of receiving yours? That's just wrong.
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I don't think it's wrong, maybe a bit arrogant and I'd accept it if you blame that on me. But if a random stranger throws around cash and I grab some, why would I need to feel obliged to do the same? I'd give my organs away to my mother to name a specific person, but not to random strangers.

It's just a personal choice. If someone chooses to give away his organs to me, thanks for that. But I don't feel like doing the same to others.
 
Opt-out country here. Have to admit I probably wouldn't be an organ donor if it wasn't, but I won't opt out.
 
Krejlooc said:
Even if someone did that, who cares? I'm dead. They're doing me and my family a favor by absolving us of the ridiculous price of death.

it's fucked up that it can cost $50k-$100k for someone to die thanks to funeral arrangements.
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Btw there used to be bus ads for cheap funerals around here a few years ago. I wonder what happened to that company. It was like those "get divorced today for $500" signs but instead for death.
 
Tabris said:
Based on the first sentence of his post, you can understand his seemingly lack of empathy to strangers. So not fair to say he has no heart, his brain just perceives things differently.
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Perhaps it was unfair. I just take major issue with people who won't allow for the saving of life for a reason as trivial as "they aren't my friend or family". They may not be part of their life, but they're part of someone else's. I just can't imagine that lack of empathy, it sounds so sociopathic to me, but I guess you're right, brains perceive things differently.
 
MikeDip said:
Btw there used to be bus ads for cheap funerals around here a few years ago. I wonder what happened to that company. It was like those "get divorced today for $500" signs but instead for death.
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The funeral arrangements itself can be pricey, but what is outrageous is the cost of burial plots.
 
spons said:
I don't think it's wrong, maybe a bit arrogant and I'd accept it if you blame that on me. But if a random stranger throws around cash and I grab some, why would I need to feel obliged to do the same? I'd give my organs away to my mother to name a specific person, but not to random strangers.

It's just a personal choice. If someone chooses to give away his organs to me, thanks for that. But I don't feel like doing the same to others.
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It's your choice, sure. But it seems very selfish to be OK with receiving something you wouldn't give away yourself. Why would it matter a stranger receives it? Let that person enjoy a longer live because of it, just like you would want to yourself.

Comparing that to money is not valid. You can live without money. You can't live without functioning organs in a lot of cases - or at least not forever.
 
spons said:
I don't think it's wrong, maybe a bit arrogant and I'd accept it if you blame that on me. But if a random stranger throws around cash and I grab some, why would I need to feel obliged to do the same? I'd give my organs away to my mother to name a specific person, but not to random strangers.

It's just a personal choice. If someone chooses to give away his organs to me, thanks for that. But I don't feel like doing the same to others.
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You still haven't explained why you want them to rot rather than save someone.
 
NoblesseOblige said:
Perhaps it was unfair. I just take major issue with people who won't allow for the saving of life for a reason as trivial as "they aren't my friend or family". They may not be part of your life, but they're part of someone else's. I just can't imagine that lack of empathy, it sounds so sociopathic to me, but I guess you're right, brains perceive things differently.
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well, not harping on the guy, but he did say he was autistic. So, you know, that's sort of expected to a degree.
 
I'm have some issues with an opt-out system, but I wouldn't have a problem with a system that gave priority on transplant waiting lists to donors. That is, if you're not a donor and you're (a) over 18 and (b) medically able to be a donor, you have to wait until the donors are taken care of before you can get a kidney.

I'm a registered donor, incidentally.
 
Krejlooc said:
I've also heard people say they don't want to donate organs because their entire body won't be in a place for family members to mourn.
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but isn't that also a religious reason? it's not for aesthetics, heh.

"where's grandpa's kidney?!"
 
OCDChewie said:
It just feels weirdly invasive, for lack of a better term. But it's kind of silly considering.
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Well first, you're dead lol

But second, popping out an eyeball sounds more invasive to you then cutting open your chest, putting a hand in there after cutting off the arteries, and pulling it out?
 
Krejlooc said:
The funeral arrangements itself can be pricey, but what is outrageous is the cost of burial plots.
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While true, I understand it. Space is expensive, a burial plot is like land ownership.

Thankfully? Both my parents bought theirs many years ago.
 
Nerfgun said:
but isn't that also a religious reason? it's not for aesthetics, heh.

"where's grandpa's kidney?!"
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I've heard it from non-religious people, so I guess not.

I mean, clearly I don't agree or understand it either, I have simply heard it before.
 
MikeDip said:
This is how it should be. Opt out instead of opt in. Totally for it.
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No. The State should not get default ownership rights to my corpse after I'm dead.

However donations should be incentivized.

Make it so that you get priority on donation lists if you yourself have been on the donation list.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
No. The State should not get default ownership rights to my corpse after I'm dead.

However donations should be incentivized.

Make it so that you get priority on donation lists if you yourself have been on the donation list.
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The state doesn't get it, other people in the society you live in get it. I think that is fair, and you can still opt out without any punishment.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
No. The State should not get default ownership rights to my corpse after I'm dead.

However donations should be incentivized.

Make it so that you get priority on donation lists if you yourself have been on the donation list.
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Don't see a reason why other than you don't think the state should have that power. Feel free to give the power to the medical people if need be.

You can opt out if you like
 
MikeDip said:
You still haven't explained why you want them to rot rather than save someone.
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I just feel that there are people out there who'd harm me in an instant, yet gladly receive my organs. If I cannot pick out people who'd get my organs after death it's just not gonna happen. My brains for science is great, but my organs for the next random person, possibly asshole, in line is not. I'd rather have them die.

Maybe I overthink this. Maybe there are more people who'd deserve them than there are people who don't. It's just that I can't shake that feeling off of me.
 
MikeDip said:
While true, I understand it. Space is expensive, a burial plot is like land ownership.

Thankfully? Both my parents bought theirs many years ago.
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yeah, I get it too. It's land. Of course it's pricey, land is valuable.

What gets me though is that you're not really buying land. You're leasing it, right? Eventually, don't they exhume bodies? Otherwise, wouldn't we eventually run out of space?
 
Mammoth Jones said:
No. The State should not get default ownership rights to my corpse after I'm dead.

However donations should be incentivized.

Make it so that you get priority on donation lists if you yourself have been on the donation list.
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I'm not sure which rights continue into you being a corpse. It's not like the state is coming to collect when you're still alive.
 
i've taken EXCELLENT care of my organs, why would i give them to someone who hasn't? it's all about personal responsibility to me. also government-ran hospitals would take my organs in an instant even if i wasn't about to die, fact and end of story.

honestly i just can't spend eternity in heaven thinking some lazy bum got one or more of my beautiful organs.. absolutely no.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
The State should not get default ownership rights to my corpse after I'm dead.
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That's a terrible way to think about it. It's not going to "the state," it's going to humanity. We are all in this existence together, we are all born of the same resources and consume them indiscriminately. I feel an obligation to contribute to humanity.
 
Krejlooc said:
yeah, I get it too. It's land. Of course it's pricey, land is valuable.

What gets me though is that you're not really buying land. You're leasing it, right? Eventually, don't they exhume bodies? Otherwise, wouldn't we eventually run out of space?
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Depends on the place. I know some plots in Italy can dig you up and move you after some time. But I also know the ones my parents have can be sold and whatever just like land. If there is an expirary date I don't know it or its too far in the future to care about.
Which is probably why the prices are so stupid high.
 
astroturfing said:
i've taken EXCELLENT care of my organs, why would i give them to someone who hasn't? it's all about personal responsibility to me. also government-ran hospitals would take my organs in an instant even if i wasn't about to die, fact and end of story.

honestly i just can't spend eternity in heaven thinking some lazy bum got one or more of my beautiful organs.. absolutely no.
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11/10, you're certain to get responses with this one.
 
Krejlooc said:
Not only am I registered as an organ donor, I'm also registered with a local university to donate my body to science after I pass away. That way, when I die, my family has no financial burden regarding my burial or cremation or whatever, and I get to live knowing my death can do some good in this world.
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From what I've understood, you can usually only do one or the other - not both. Keep the organs and donate to science, or donate the organs and they won't take the body. Have you double checked on this? This was originally my plan for the same reasons you state.
 
spons said:
I just feel that there are people out there who'd harm me in an instant, yet gladly receive my organs. If I cannot pick out people who'd get my organs after death it's just not gonna happen. My brains for science is great, but my organs for the next random person, possibly asshole, in line is not. I'd rather have them die.

Maybe I overthink this. Maybe there are more people who'd deserve them than there are people who don't. It's just that I can't shake that feeling off of me.
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I think you have a very negative opinion of people if you view it that way. I think it is far more likely your organs would go to someone who just wants to live a normal life, or someone who has a family who loves him or her. Not donating because they could be an asshole is strange.
 
spons said:
I just feel that there are people out there who'd harm me in an instant, yet gladly receive my organs. If I cannot pick out people who'd get my organs after death it's just not gonna happen. My brains for science is great, but my organs for the next random person, possibly asshole, in line is not. I'd rather have them die.

Maybe I overthink this. Maybe there are more people who'd deserve them than there are people who don't. It's just that I can't shake that feeling off of me.
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I'm going to talk about it logically to you.

You have 1 "asshole" and 1 "good person". You have 2 deaths. 1 death is an organ donor and 1 isn't (say yours). Now the "asshole" is first on the list so he gets the organs from the first person. The "good person" dies because the 2nd death didn't donate their organs.

So while your organs may go to "someone that doesn't deserve it", your donation would increase the odds of "someone that deserves them" receiving organs, whether yours or someone else.

It's a numbers game.
 
ClosingADoor said:
I think you have a very negative opinion of people if you view it that way. I think it is far more likely your organs would go to someone who just wants to live a normal life, or someone who has a family who lives him or her. Not donating because they could be an asshole is strange.
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A stranger is just an enemy you haven't met yet I guess :(
 
C-Drive said:
From what I've understood, you can usually only do one or the other - not both. Keep the organs and donate to science, or donate the organs and they won't take the body. Have you double checked on this? This was originally my plan for the same reasons you state.
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Actually no, the university I am registered with never asked. I'll do some calls and double check, but I would assume that, since they are notified immediately at death and have given information to local hospitals regarding my status as one who wishes to be donated to science, it wouldn't have been a problem. But yeah, I'll definitely double check on that, good call.
 
I'll consider donating my organs when the rest of humanity stops treating each other like shit. Until then, no point in extending someone's life here.
 
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