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Why aren't there more kid's RPGs?

Tarazet

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Just to get the note of this little essay right, I should start by saying that I'm interested in good children's entertainment. Bugs Bunny is an icon because Bugs' jokes have a deeper inner layer that appeals to as adults, in addition to a perfect sense of comical timing that reliably bowls kids over even if they don't really get the joke. Fantasia is great because it's a dose of high culture that is not just tolerable, but enjoyable for children. And the classic Disney movies are so tasteful, artful, and perfectly crafted that anyone can watch them and get as much out of it as when you were 7 and saw them for the first time.

I feel that the way to produce something like that in the realm of video games is to make a good, tasteful RPG. Cookie-cutter action-adventure games have a place too, but how great would it be for there to be an RPG, or a series of RPGs, that not only enraptures your (hypothetical) 8-year-old, but keeps you glued to the screen as well because it's genuinely one of the best game experiences out there? Pokemon is a fine effort, don't get me wrong, but for most adults, the game is hard going. The storyline is too inconsequential, the battle system too simplistic, the vibe too "kiddy." I don't think any of the classic examples I gave above really feel kiddy - they were produced for adults, but they happen to be entertaining and eye-opening to children as well. Pokemon is kind of a grating experience for the experienced, and the crappy console spinoffs certainly don't help its cause, either.

Anyway, it was in the spirit of looking for a game of this quality that I rented an obscure PS2 title called Magic Pengel: Quest for Color. You might have seen it floating around random stores priced at $15 or less - it retailed for $40 originally, but positive reviews, a strong, family-friendly concept, and the credentials of the animation team responsible for Princess Mononoke weren't enough to save Magic Pengel from hitting the bargain-bin rock bottom in the two years since it was released. Still, the reviews compelled me to give it a shot, because if anyone would understand how to produce a sleeper hit of that caliber, it would be Studio Ghibli. Unfortunately, it doesn't meet its seeming potential. It's almost unbearable to play because of the banal, Dragonseeds-esque rock-paper-scissors battle system, slave-of-Pokemon overworld design, and insipid, uninspired story. The doodling system is nice, because it introduces an element of creativity, but that isn't enough to make this the kind of game I was hoping for.

Someday.
 
I think that the Mario RPG's best define what you are talking about. The games are bright and colorful for the kids, and there are alot of jokes that go over their heads, especially in Paper Mario 2. (Fear Bowser's accounting!)
 
Red Scarlet said:
DQ is still aimed at kids in Japan, iirc.

I can see that. Of all the RPGs I've played, DQ8 probably comes the closest to being really seductive for kids as well as adults. FFVII would be great if it wasn't for the profanity. Otherwise, it's a storyline I feel is on par with some of the better Disney movies.
 
Alphadreams was reponsible for the two Mario & Luigi games, and I think those qualify. They also did the Jp only Tomato Kingdom, IIRC, and that definitely counts. Pokemon, of course.
 
Mejilan said:
Alphadreams was reponsible for the two Mario & Luigi games, and I think those qualify. They also did the Jp only Tomato Kingdom, IIRC, and that definitely counts. Pokemon, of course.

Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario 2 are great examples - I laughed out loud a lot playing both of them. Pokemon isn't, because like I said in my OP it's hard going for a lot of adults, and I for one felt kind of embarrassed renting Colosseum because the series has a stigma to it. It wasn't much of an RPG either..
 
Mejilan said:
I meant the core GB/GBA RPGs. Pokemon Colosseum/XD/Etc. are very crappy by comparison.

So you don't think an adult should feel embarrassed to play Pokemon on his GBA, or that he would feel like he was being talked down to with the watered-down combat system?
 
An another note ill add this, RPGS are usually alot more complicated then other games in all aspects. Building characters, storylines to keep up with, gameplay, and pretty much everything else. What 5 or 6 year old kids wants to deal with that in a game? They just want to run into a world and beat up monsters, play basketball, or drive a race car. Its more simple, its easier, its fun. They dont have RPGs for kids because (most)kids dont want RPGs.
 
sonarrat said:
So you don't think an adult should feel embarrassed to play Pokemon on his GBA, or that he would feel like he was being talked down to with the watered-down combat system?

Are you insane? The Pokemon games have crazy amounts of depth. There's a SHIT-TON of combat options and strategy to explore. And, for the record, I can't think of any game I've been truly embarassed to play. Get real.
 
Mejilan said:
Are you insane? The Pokemon games have crazy amounts of depth. There's a SHIT-TON of combat options and strategy to explore. And, for the record, I can't think of any game I've been truly embarassed to play. Get real.

I stand corrected - the series must have come a ways since I played Yellow on the GBC, despite reviewers' cries that the games never seem to change..
 
sonarrat said:
I stand corrected - the series must have come a ways since I played Yellow on the GBC, despite reviewers' cries that the games never seem to change..

I will admit that the story mode does little to exploit the gameplay's layers, at least until the very end. Though, the optional areas in the recent games, particularly Emerald, are all kinds of hardcore. The gameplay truly shines when you're fighting multiplayer battles with true masters.
 
Virtual Magic Kingdom is a kid friendly, half marketing/half free mmo made by Disney:
http://vmk.disney.go.com/vmk/en_US/index?name=VMKHomePage
Although while I was at the Magic Kingdom this December I saw an old creepy guy huddled over the computer screen playing it. I think its somewhat popular in Asia and I do know it has a strong following. Think of it as Neopets but specifically for Disney merchandise.

Toon Town is another kid friendly game also made by Disney:
http://play.toontown.com/webHome.php?source=TT_1205
This one requires a monthly fee and is an odd combination of Mario Party and a really limited console-esque style RPG with friends. I wouldn't know the quality from first hand experience but I think it has a following and the children seem to approve of it.

Aside from the obvious and sometimes blatent sexual references, Dragon Quest VIII would make a fantastic RPG for kids. It has very strong common themes of destiny/duty/love/voilence/mysticism/etc. that children can identify with plus a strong supporting cast of characters and an exceedingly charming world. It manages to entertain adults and at the same time remain accessible enough for kids to get really into.
 
almost every mainstream rpg -- save for a handful -- could be considered as marketed to kids, even if not exctly aimed for kids exclusively.

even though final fantasy has handled some dark themes, none of them really ever 'rocked the boat' too much and the stories could get deep and complex but nothing that'd be too much for an 11 yr old to swallow.

DQ definitley hasn't gone into dark territory (that i know of); it can have adult themes but only things mormon parents would probably frown upon.

i could go onto others but im lazy.
 
AeroGod said:
An another note ill add this, RPGS are usually alot more complicated then other games in all aspects. Building characters, storylines to keep up with, gameplay, and pretty much everything else. What 5 or 6 year old kids wants to deal with that in a game? They just want to run into a world and beat up monsters, play basketball, or drive a race car. Its more simple, its easier, its fun. They dont have RPGs for kids because (most)kids dont want RPGs.

I played the hell out of the original Final Fantasy on the NES, and I wasn't more than 7 or 8 years old at the time.
 
Well, as others have mentioned, I think the Mario RPGs -- Mario RPG, Paper Mario, Paper Mario: TTYD, Mario & Lugi, M&L 2 -- are among the best candidates for what you're asking.

I would toss out games that have interesting and involving stories that can be appreciated by adults, but aren't filled with overly mature themes or complexity: Golden Sun and Golden Sun 2; Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis, the Fire Emblem games; Skies of Arcadia; Grandia; Breath of Fire III is a maybe.

... actually, I'd say most of the Final Fantasy games fit. IV, V, and IX *definitely* qualify. VI probably does, though a few of the plot elements (attempted/successful suicide, teen pregnancy, etc) make it more borderline than some of the others.

Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete / The Silver Star / Legend qualifies for what you're asking. Classic example of a game with a deceptively simplistic story that eschews adult themes but offers up a really engrossing, heartfelt story.

Giftpia. :(
 
I feel sorry for adults who don't play Pokemon because of fear of embarrassment. It must suck to be that insecure.

Anyway, I'll agree with Dragon Quest VIII and Skies of Arcadia. I don't think the sexual references in DQ8 are bad at all (except for maybe the scene of Charmles whipping Medea).

Chrono Trigger would be another good choice.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Pokemon says hello
And Digimon World looks over its shoulder and is all like "Yeah, what?"

Edit: Plus, my 13-year-old sister played through Breath of Fire III and IV back in the day.
 
All 1st party rpgs by Nintendo are aimed at kids to teen
All 1st party rpgs by Sony are aimed at kids to teen
 
JackFrost2012 said:
what the fuck kind of question is this

why aren't there more RPGs for people older than 14 is the real fucking question

fucking RPGs

So I take it you still haven't got around to playing Ryu Ga Gotoku then :P

and yes I'm going to call it an rpg :)
 
Bebpo said:
So I take it you still haven't got around to playing Ryu Ga Gotoku then :P

Nope, gonna finish out the bonus content in FFIV first. Maybe start Ryu next week after we finish a project up at work and my schedule gets a bit more relaxed. :)
 
Red Scarlet said:
DQ is still aimed at kids in Japan, iirc.

this is true. so's Final Fantasy

Bebpo said:
and yes I'm going to call it an rpg

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it an adventure game? Or are you just calling it an RPG because RPG is your favorite genre? :P
 
PhoenixDark said:
Pokemon says hello

Along with the two million rip offs. The world is hardly lacking RPGs for kids. And really, the vast majority of RPGs from Japan are aimed at very young people.
 
They're a large market in Japan.

The funny thing is, most RPGs in Japan are aimed at kids up to at least 14 (the Shounen Jump crowd), but when those same RPGs come out here, us overgrown adults with childish mentalities (since we're still gaming) consider them to be meant for adults. In reality there are hardly any RPGs meant for adults. Most of the adult-oriented RPGs (and I don't mean porn obviously) are actually western RPGs by PC developers. When the average console RPG fan plays these games, they get overwhelmed by the amount of text and plot complexity they have to wade through and ultimately get frustrated. It's hilarious how western gamers are too used to the kiddie gameplay of teen-oriented eastern RPGs.

(BTW I consider anyone under 18 to be a kid. Is this thread about RPGs meant for people under 13 instead?)
 
JackFrost2012 said:
what the fuck kind of question is this

why aren't there more RPGs for people older than 14 is the real fucking question

fucking RPGs

exactly. I've been under the impression that most rpgs are for kids. it's the genre's biggest failing. apparently they're mostly for dumb adults.
 
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