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Agreed, both tackles in particular. Oher played like shit. Protecting the blind side my ass. Von Miller was rushing past the other tackle like he wasn't even there.
Why do people hate Cam Newton?
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This thread is still going while the actual Superbowl thread is dead? Sad. Cam still has a little growing up to do, maybe. Big deal.
Ugh, this is what I'm sick of hearing. Stop it. The ball hit the ground, and that pushed it out of his grip. He didn't even have either hand on it for a moment and ended up re-grabbing it with his elbow. Not a catch.
Ugh, this is what I'm sick of hearing. Stop it. The ball hit the ground, and that pushed it out of his grip. He didn't even have either hand on it for a moment and ended up re-grabbing it with his elbow. Not a catch.
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Ugh, this is what I'm sick of hearing. Stop it. The ball hit the ground, and that pushed it out of his grip. He didn't even have either hand on it for a moment and ended up re-grabbing it with his elbow. Not a catch.
You know more than Mike Carey, a retired NFL official who did that for decades.
Cool.
And btw, it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to tell from that angle.
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NFL officials have gotten catches and drops wrong many a time, so it's hard for me to let a retired officials word carry that much more weight.
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Sorry if I didn't clarify--I don't necessarily think Carey was right and the officials at the game were wrong. I think it was a coin flip. I could have seen it going either way but posting some gif on the internetz doesn't prove some point to me.
Officials, at the game, blew the Dez Bryant catch call...
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A retired official who has taken a lot of heat for being in disagreement with actual officials all year, including on this call. Yes, I feel confident that I'm right and he's wrong.
And also that you're blind. It's as clear as it's possible to be.
Yeah, actual HD footage of the game isn't good evidence because "internetz LOL". Geez.
If it's impossible to tell then the ruling stands, which was incomplete. And they did say "stands" and not "confirmed".
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To your eyes because you want to "put this to rest".
LOL
See? This is how you post a reasonable reply and not some emotionally charged babbling.
They didn't confirm the ruling but in your mind, they were blind too.
People only notice you when you win, no one would cared about Pats or Brady, or Spyate or Deflategate if they were not wining games.
YOu can tell who watches NFL every sunday.
Mike Carey has become a human meme, every time he is asked as an in game analyst about challenges, he always gets it wrong.
What? To me (and millions of others) that was indisputable evidence of a catch. There was no visual proif that the ball touched grass. And aI think the other guy is saying that a GIF of footage that all of us have already seen isn't going to prove anything new.
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DING DING DING
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I'm not the one saying "internetz". The officials don't get to see the same slow-mo, multi-angle footage we do. They called it as "stands" because they didn't see anything to overturn it in the limited time they have to make a determination. The footage above is crystal clear.
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"crystal clear". lol, gotta love it.
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Thank you, Greg, but I think what's even more evident than this footage is that these individuals will not, under any circumstances, admit they are wrong.
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I respect him for owning the fact he was being a poor loser. And apparently will continue to be one.
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Link the video of call where the officials confirmed the call on the field.
I'll wait.
Looking at that GIF, I'd be more inclined to say catch than no catch. I don't think it's 100% indisputable though. When he hits the ground the ball pops up against his stomach away from his hand, and it does that because the nose of the ball absolutely hits the ground. The question is whether he maintains control before, during, and after the ball hits the ground while he's holding onto it. Given that as he rolled he had to regain control, I'm not so sure.
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Didn't the actual indisputable touching of the ground part come as he rolled over and the ball left his hand for a split second and bounced on the ground(not shown in this gif)? Jim Nantz points it out right when the ref calls it a non-catch.
As for Carey, Profootballtalk ran a story about how CBS sidelined Carey after yet another missed call.
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Naw, it's crystal clear and we are blind.
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No thanks, I'll settle for you proving my other point.
No, the ball didn't touch on the other end, when he rolled over. They mentioned that it might, but then realize it didn't.
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So it was never confirmed, which what happens when it is crystal clear?
Thanks for playing.
Ugh, this is what I'm sick of hearing. Stop it. The ball hit the ground, and that pushed it out of his grip. He didn't even have either hand on it for a moment and ended up re-grabbing it with his elbow. Not a catch.
or was that he defender's helmet that hit the ball and caused it to shift in the direction it did? It looks like it could be moving sideways.
It looks very reasonable that his hand was keeping the ball secure and under the ball, albeit very close. I don't think the ground is necessarily what actually caused the movement.
Is there another angle?
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I can't believe you're going with the argument that the officials are always right. Because a few posts ago, you were arguing that Mike Carey was right, despite him calling it differently.
Calls are incorrect all the time, whether confirmed or overturned. That has nothing to do with this. I'd be posting the same thing had this been incorrectly overturned.
But please, by all means, keep trying. Maybe your third different stance is the charm.
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I wasn't speaking about Manziel's at home issues. Nor was I speaking about Newton's. I'm judging each based on what they do on the job.
As for saying I'm thinking like a racist: Fuck that. The fact that you'd use that as part of your argument when I've clearly laid out reasons for disliking him (that match why I dislike some white athletes) and have pointed to other athletes I love who play the same position and aren't white shows you're just desperate to pigeonhole people into fitting your narrative, which weakens your argument to a point where you can't be taken seriously.
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Who is famous for getting every replay review wrong. Do you watch football?
Seven hundred dollars? They don't, like, have a TV in them or something?
I am very old
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It was called incomplete on the field and there wasn't 100% evidence to overturn the call. Textbook officiating and absolutely how it should be called.
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There are rumors that call cost him his job, too. He never spoke again in the broadcast on Sunday.
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LOL.
I said it wasn't clear. The officials were split, including the retired guy. Not sure how you turned that into me thinking the officials were right.
"Stands" means they didn't have enough for "Confirmed" or "Overturned" means that it wasn't crystal clear.
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You mockingly implied that I shouldn't disagree with Mike Carey. That is a dumb argument. Now you are arguing that called as "stands" disagrees with me. It doesn't. It's irrelevant.
I don't care what the official said, because I don't know what footage he saw. There are limitations on what they can see on the field. They don't get slow-mo, frame by frame footage, nor do they get every angle we have the luxury of seeing after the fact.
I didn't say the official saw crystal clear footage. I said that what I posted is clear. I hope I've explained this clearly enough for you to comprehend, but I'm willing to try again if necessary.
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Whoo I think this thread has run its course.
Why do people hate Mike Carey? Mike Carey seems to have a growing group of people that strongly dislike him. From my observation, they do not like that he occasionally gets calls incorrect or somethin? I guess he has a thing where 1 in 100 times he might get a call slightly incorrect. I've also heard people think he's trying to agree with Phil Simms or something during the game. But I've seen Mike Pereira be incorrect similarly with no issue. Are people just playing the "the ref must be correct" card just because he's black? I don't know if the sports media is overblowing this, but it felt like people were acting so concerned over nothing.
Michael F. Assbender
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That's not true at all. None of it.
http://operations.nfl.com/the-game/history-of-instant-replay/
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/11/inside-the-nfls-replay-command-center
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Get those facts outta here.
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Is this a joke?
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I stand corrected. Thank you. The information I had was from the television announcers - Al Michaels, I think it was, who said that officials on the field are not allowed to review in slo-mo because they have to take into consideration the length of a play (the "bang-bang" factor).
As for the angles, though, there are a million cameras on the field, not just the ones in use for the broadcast. Better views of plays come out after the fact all the time.
Rooting for the good ones, i guess.
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Should you backtrack again, you mean. Yes, by all means, explain what you meant by:
You're NOT saying that by disagreeing with him, I'm wrong? Backtracking on your own statement doesn't make it disappear. Besides, you contradict yourself. You say the above. Then you say you don't disagree with Carey. You also say it's too close to call - which is not what Carey said, so you do apparently disagree with him. You're all over the place.
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The good people (or at least the good sports)? Yep.
I'm sorry I don't break everyone down by race as you apparently do. Hopefully you can come around to judging people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.
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Backtrack?
I literally clarified the next post after I posted the original Carey post. Are you blind? It's clear as day. Crystal clear, actually.
There is no edited watermark. You aren't a good debater, man.
Like at all.
You disagreed with Carey who disagreed with a call (that I said could have gone either way). MY ENTIRE STATEMENT IS ABOUT HOW IMO, IT'S A 50/50 CALL. I mean, my god, it's right there in the freaking clarification. Why does one claify, if not to...um, well, clarify?!?!?
You are obviously trolling now. No one could realistically not get what I said that badly.
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Wasn't a catch at least not enough of one to over turn... be serious. The Cam Newton that showed up to the Super Bowl wasn't the same fearless/aggressive Cam Newton that showed up the rest of the season and jumping away from the fumble is the proof. I think he will be back though.
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The fact that they didn't confirm it tells me there wasn't enough to say without a doubt it wasn't a catch or award the challenge.
That tells me that in the event of it being questionable, they stood with the initial call on the field. Doesn't mean that it was 100% not a catch.
All the gifs in the world won't prove that.
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Not worth arguing to be honest.
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