Why do you dislike Hilary Clinton?

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She's always given off a vibe of being cold and calculating. Her husband cheated on her multiple times and she most likely stayed with him for the good of her political future (you can't tell me a powerful woman like Hillary wouldn't ditch Bill if he wasn't the president). I don't really have a problem with most of her policies, but she has never struck me as the kind of person I'd want to be friends with.
 
winjet81 said:
She's a woman and people feel entitled to hate a woman just because she is one.

No other reasons needed.

Just like it was OK to hate Obama without even glancing over the issues. He is black, therefore it's OK to hate him.
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Wow, so you hate her because she's a woman AND you hate Obama because he was black??? What is wrong with you??
 
She's a joke. Compared to our Theresa May she's a school child crying because someone is bullying her. She's jumped on the anti Trump bandwagon along with everyone else, while she should be so much better than that.
 
I don't dislike her. I am voting for her.

I could see how somebody might not like her because of her extremely secretive nature. It's not just emails, it goes well beyond that. She first got a national reputation for extreme secrecy during her negotiations in her executive position as Healthcare czar, before it was called Healthcare czar, back in 1992 and 1993. But even prior to that, it extends back to her role in [Bill] Clinton's gubernatorial runs and her political involvement as Wellesley. Her friends have found she falls back to extreme secrecy. I also think she might have a borderline neurotic personality with a persecution complex, but I'm not sure how much of the evidence of that could be actually playing politics, or if she legitimately believed in things like "vast right wing conspiracies" in virtually every black mark against the Clinton administration. As somebody voting for her, I convince myself that it's her playing politics, but if I were on the fence about Clinton, then I could easily see it as being a neurotic persecution complex.

In both of these regards, she reminds me of Richard Nixon, and I'm not saying that a Clinton white house would be like a Nixonian white house -- it wouldn't be -- but it's a very easy comparison with these two personality flaws. Nixon's downfall was driven by an extreme desire for secrecy, which was fueled by a personality complex around feeling persecuted, and it bordered on dementia for him. Clinton's secrecy and persecution complex, at least from my perspective, don't rival Nixon's, but they are reminiscent of it.
 
MHWilliams said:
I don't dislike her, but you can't argue that she's made a few missteps. The email server is questionable and in another race against more measured candidates, would've been a huge issue. I'd probably have dropped the Clinton Foundation prior to this race. And there's no indication that the ongoing use of drone strikes and blanket support of Israel will change under Clinton.

People have dinging her on not being as emotive or inspiring, but after watching the PBS Frontline, it's clear that the semi-secretive, very measured person she is today is a result of being in the public eye for years and how the news media has treated her as a public figure.

But she's damn prepared. She is the most experienced candidate we've had in forever. And the slate she's running against is a joke. Seriously, 100 percent every other candidate that's currently fielded is a joke.
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Oh trust me, I have my own grievances about her, (her blanket support of Israel being the biggest one). But none of them would make me dislike her to the point of not voting her. The email server was a misstep but was taking way out of context. Especially considering numerous investigations and inquiries cleared her of any wrong doing.
 
JeTmAn81 said:
She's always given off a vibe of being cold and calculating. Her husband cheated on her multiple times and she most likely stayed with him for the good of her political future (you can't tell me a powerful woman like Hillary wouldn't ditch Bill if he wasn't the president). I don't really have a problem with most of her policies, but she has never struck me as the kind of person I'd want to be friends with.
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This shit is gross. That's between her and her partner. It's none of our business. Plenty of people choose to work through affairs and improve their marriage. That's not bad, that's their decision to make.
 
Zutroy said:
Its not even just in America, I find the same is said here in the U.K. I work in a bar and the number of times I hear "they're just as bad as each other" it drives me nuts.

One is highly qualified, intelligent, experienced and has built up relationships with diplomats all over the world.

The other is a "rich" guy who struggles to even form cohesive sentences, a narcissistic liar who insults entire races and is probably the least qualified person to be so close to becoming president.

Just as bad as each other my ass.
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this is a red herring in a thread like this. obviously clinton is the better choice compared to trump, it's not even close. she might invade another middle eastern country but he'd nuke one.

there are still criticisms to be made and we shouldn't allow the threat of trump's idiotic fascism to stifle them.
 
teruterubozu said:
I don't mind Hillary, but her diehard supporters are very off-putting. There's this weird thing going on where if you're not 100% enamored by her, then you have some kind of nefarious agenda. It's like voting for her just isn't enough.
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I'm with you on this. Hillary stans are something else.

How I imagine how they feel about this thread.
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As someone who lives in the Middle East. I'm super anxious about her foreign policy stances, especially to this region. Trump is way way way worse mind you. So in my mind it's not that she's makes a great candidate, moreso that this is the less problematic of the choices available. Reassuring.
 
teruterubozu said:
I don't mind Hillary, but her diehard supporters are very off-putting. There's this weird thing going on where if you're not 100% enamored by her, then you have some kind of nefarious agenda. It's like voting for her just isn't enough.
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RinBestFate said:
Her supporters
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I get this. Even on Gaf I've found a lot of her die hard supporters insufferable. But her supporters =/= her. So they shouldn't have any barring on whether or not you'll support her.
 
Adaren said:
Explicit, hate-fueled sexism isn't the only form of sexism. A lot of the shit that gets thrown at Hillary (namely the trust / personality stuff) is because she's held to different standards than her male counterparts.
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I can assure you I hold every public figure to the same standards. Others might not, and if they do it for sexist reasons, that's horrible, but I think throwing the word around so easily at the first hint of disagreement shouldn't happen.

Though, I do think the 30 years from the right bashing on her has bleed over into the minds of independents and center/left people, which originated from just politics of opportunity. The right got so entrenched in the 90s at bashing both Clintons, while the rise of Fox News occurred, and realized so much money was in it, and it never really ended.

She is more than likely going to be president, and I hope she is able to get things done (which was supposed to have been a selling point for why she was better than Bernie). But unfortunately, its going to be worse than Obama's first term from this congress, unless we flip the house/senate. The next two midterms are so crucial, to set us up for the 2020 census when re-redistricting happens.

I just hope she acts more like Obama term 2 than Obama term 1.


BTW, sorry for shifting topics so much in this post, but I think they are all related.
 
Because I don't trust her, but this is neogaf, most will ignore her shortcomings and think it's because she's a powerful woman. I'd still vote her over Trump that's for sure , but she's no Obama.
 
Dislike is a strong word. I don't like her, but I don't actively dislike her like I do say, all three other potential candidates (assuming we count Stein and Johnson, just for the sake of argument).

This is the first election since I could vote (2000) where I just don't feel like I can put my vote to any of these people for president. That said, Hillary doesn't have any dealbreakers (unlike Trump, who might as well be 100% dealbreakers), so if she wins, I'm totally fine with that.

I expect a Clinton presidency to be mostly the same as Obama's presidency, except people will be shitty to her because she's a woman instead of because he's black.

At the end of the day, the thing that matters more to me is civil rights and social issues, and in that regard, Hillary is fine, and Trump is a fucking nightmare. If I lived in a state that wasn't going to Hillary no matter what, I would vote for her. But it is, so in principle, I'll abstain from the presidential vote and stick to voting on local stuff.
 
I used to be a Bernie supporter, but after taking a hard look at some of these scandals, I realized most of the hatred against her is unjustified.

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weallstink said:
She's a joke. Compared to our Theresa May she's a school child crying because someone is bullying her. She's jumped on the anti Trump bandwagon along with everyone else, while she should be so much better than that.
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I mean she's campaigning against him... If anyone should be on the anti-trump bandwagon it should be her.
 
Far-Lefties will find something to complain about even if she raises the minimum wage, gets pay equality passed, mandated maternity leave passed, nominates liberal justices, improves healthcare,

the irony of all of it is that she is more Liberal than Obama and that she is way more socially liberal than her husband yet Far-Lefties won't be satisfied....
 
I don't dislike her. The majority of the criticism against her is overblown, if not completely unjustified, but it's done a pretty good job of damaging her image. She's not especially charismatic, and has a tendency to be too secretive (not getting out in front of the pneumonia thing is a good example of this). Overall, she's just not great on the campaign trail, and I think will be a much more effective President than candidate.
 
RinBestFate said:
Wow, so you hate her because she's a woman AND you hate Obama because he was black??? What is wrong with you??
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Where did you read that I hate her. I support her wholeheartedly as I did Obama.

Rampant sexism and racism are a big factor in the venom that Clinton and Obama face. Are you denying it?
 
gutter_trash said:
Far-Lefties will find something to complain about even if she raises the minimum wage, gets pay equality passed, mandated maternity leave passed, nominates liberal justices, improves healthcare,

the irony of all of it is that she is more Liberal than Obama and that she is way more socially liberal than her husband yet Far-Lefties won't be satisfied....
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i'm going to lump 18-24 y/o voters into this "far-lefties" and say that they don't actually care about policies, they only look at candidates at face value. this is why almost 1/3 of those votes say they're voting 3rd party, which is a complete waste of a vote.
 
Protein said:
I used to be a Bernie supporter, but after taking a hard look at some of these scandals, I realized most of the hatred against her is unjustified.

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It's not fucking nothing, I think it's unfair to look at her long list of "scandals" and say "it's nothing".... but the problem is people look at the list and say to themselves "I can't trust her" or "she's hiding something" when clearly you can trust her and she's not hiding anything. She has been laid bare for decades for all of America to see and the best we've got is that she had a private e-mail server (that's been combed through by multiple dozens of people) and the Clinton Foundation is a carefully controlled charity organization.

Like, there is no one that is more exposed than Hillary Clinton, yet people say 'we can't trust her'.

That's what's kinda silly to me lol
 
DeathoftheEndless said:
The party was responsible for her winning by millions of votes?
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Closing polling stations in areas where Bernie was strongest, laundering money in her direction, keeping Bernie news off the TV as much as possible, suppressing stories that would make Hillary look poorly in the media...

Not too hard to see how that quickly adds up to a couple million votes.

I don't like Hillary because regardless of what any one says - she IS a flip-flopper, and that's not a Conservative spin, that's the truth. Now, sure, she's flipped in the right direction lately. But in doing so, she has hammered the concept of her being "Consistent" and that her "record speaks for itself". Hillary really should try to focus on the now if she wants to get elected, because her past is shady af.

If this election didn't see her sitting opposite Trump, I really don't think she'd bring home the win. And I don't think I'm alone in that.
 
Daria said:
i'm going to lump 18-24 y/o voters into this "far-lefties" and say that they don't actually care about policies, they only look at candidates at face value. this is why almost 1/3 of those votes say they're voting 3rd party, which is a complete waste of a vote.
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While true, many Dem campaigns have done things about this like Bill Clinton's Rock the Vote and Obama's Hope/Change. Hillary just kind of failed to latch onto a youth passion.
 
Her supporters are super obnoxious, the same as Trump. It's nice to have the moral high ground in almost every situation but that's not an excuse to be an asshole.

Hillary herself changes with the political winds. She's a fantastic politician and has a career that spans decades. That, by itself, is going to make her considerably disliked by many. I don't know how you look at her bold support of TPP, then her recantation, and not roll your eyes. Her career is littered with this stuff.

She also can't get out of her own way. For every powerful thing she does, she seems to step on a scandal landmine or say something stupid. She's just not persuasive or likable in the way Obama is. On the other hand, she's not as fire-and-brimstone as someone like Warren. Hillary is a hard sell.
 
Like Obama she's aligned herself with Wall Street, stands for more of the same on economic and foreign policy issues, at the center of cronyism in democratic party politics, made hundreds of millions of dollars influence peddling. I'm more aligned with her on the political spectrum than Bernie but I would much rather support someone with veto power who isn't a part of the Washington political machinery. If Trump wasn't a moron I would probably support him too like I did Mccain in 1998 which while a losing campaign was temporarily successful back in congress in passing campaign finance limits before SCOTUS ruled the law unconstitutional. Meanwhile the Clintons haven't on principle done anything unless they thought it would get them a political advantage.
 
the-pi-guy said:
It is a fact, that these are the two least liked candidates in recent memory.

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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...or-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/
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Right, and it's actually gotten worse than that since then. I think that was from a couple of months ago. Hillary continued to drop over the last month, though I suspect she'll rebound a bit after the first debate.

I'm voting for Clinton, but I hate two things.. .When people say "Both candidates are the same!" or then the flipside, when a Clinton supporter is so tired of that argument that they erroneously say "The candidates share nothing in common!"

The two candidates are the least liked presidential candidates in American history, since as long as this sort of thing has been measured. That said, there is only one disliked candidate that I think would be disastrous for the country, and that's Donald Trump. But both are still disliked.
 
I just don't think she has any charisma. the question should be why is she likable? obama oozed charisma.
does a president even need to be likeable? I think she is competent and considering who the other candidate is, there is just no legitimate reason to not vote her.
 
I don't hate her at all, but I don't feel anything for her either. She just doesn't feel particularly personable, I don't see that passion or fire in her to inspire.

I think she's totally capable, perfectly suited for the presidency mind you, but she needs to loosen up. Unfortunately for her, due to inherent sexism, she needs to sacrifice warmth for professionalism.

Still happy to vote for her.

I wish she'd go the Elon Musk route and just be super technical. Drop that balancing act of approachability and just kill it with intellect.
 
Lies:
  1. She landed under sniper fire in Bosnia
  2. The video which sparked the Bengazi event
  3. Turned over all her emails
  4. She has always and consistently supported gay marriage
  5. She was a major part of the North Ireland Peace process
  6. She and slick Dick were poor when they left the White House
  7. Chelsea was exercise near the twin towers during the 9/11 attacks
  8. She was named after Sir Edmund Hillary
  9. Too much of a liar to handle watergate: Democrat Jerry Zeifman called her a liar: “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer,” he said. “She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

Corruption:
  1. Cover up of not being able to handle Confidential information
  2. Clinton Foundation accepting bribes for access to Hillary as Secretary of State
  3. Ties of the Podesta group to Viktor Yanukovych
  4. Huba Abedin's, Clinton's chief of staff, ties to Muslim Brotherhood
  5. Working directly with DNC to scuttle Bernie Sanders
  6. Think tank created to discredit and threaten Bill's rape victims
  7. Stealing from the White House after Bill left office
  8. Insider trading
 
I don't dislike her, I'm just very unenthusiastic about another US political dynasty, and voting for such and old person who I cannot in any way relate to.

She's unquestionably qualified, however. And she's on a platform I am largely supportive of. Which on balance are far more important. Still, particularly after Obama, the choices this election (going back to the primary) were such a let down.
 
Shai-Tan said:
Meanwhile the Clintons haven't on principle done anything unless they thought it would get them a political advantage.
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To take this specific point to task:

There are multiple reports every time Hillary runs for office about her doing things that would give her literally zero political gain if not for someone saying "she did this thing and didn't tell anyone".

You could argue that she's doing it because she expects people to say "she did this thing and didn't tell anyone" but I think that a bit too cynical. She has for decades shown that she has actual concern for issues and will fight for what she thinks is right.

All of that said, yes, she is also a politician who will do things beyond principle or idealism purely for political gain.
 
I think when people say they are "both the same" or something like that are saying they both equally bad, but for very different reasons. Clinton a career politician( most people do not like politicians), whom feels like 110% of a politician. She represents everything that is wrong with the people in power basically. Trump as similar qualities in terms of being corrupt and dishonest too, but also a racists and ignorant fool who runs his month.

I see that some people look one issue as the dominate one over the others. Many people are going to immediately disqualify Trump because of his bigotry and not really care about the perception that Hillary has. Anti-establishment people might sympathize with Trump because he at the very least represents anti-establishment( he really doesn't), in their view and aren't really considered with his racism.
 
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