Everyone knew exactly what they were doing apart from him.
Why do you dislike Hilary Clinton?
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If Rubio was a much better candidate, he would have been a much better candidate.
Anyway, my answer is that she isn't a very good public speaker. I think it's pretty obvious that she's more comfortable sitting in an office coming up with solutions and discussing things than putting on a show in front of an audience. It doesn't bother me at all, but I think it's clear why someone would prefer someone like Obama.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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http://www.humansofnewyork.com/post/150127870371/i-was-taking-a-law-school-admissions-test-in-a
I can't imagine a woman in her position not having to be cold and robotic to still be taken seriously as a candidate. She's working against things the rest of us never see.
Pamplemousse
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I don't dislike her. She's just uninspiring.
Shake Appeal
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I think she, her husband, their foundation, and the broader Clinton/DNC machine are mildly if not necessarily criminally corrupt in many of their dealings. This is par for the course for most of international politicking, though, so whatever.
I believe she will do little to address the looming global catastrophe that is climate change.
I believe she will pursue American interests and American hegemony in a way that will further destabilize the Middle East and move us no closer to enduring foreign policy solutions in that region. But so would any other viable candidate for office, and she is demonstrably superior to the alternative on every point.
I believe she will follow in her husband's footsteps and enact policies and legislation that are detrimental to the long-term health and equity of the American economy. But, again, so would any other viable candidate for office.
I think she has been behind the curve on just about every important social issue in her lifetime and has to be dragged toward the light in most cases.
I believe she is insulated from normal working- or middle-class life, distorted by her wealth and that of her peers, and detached from the concerns of most Americans.
Also, she should have been smarter about how she handled her emails and quicker to admit fault and dismiss the issue.
All that said, I would still enthusiastically vote for her without a moment's hesitation were I able.
As I would almost Democrat in this political context.
As should you.
I believe she will do little to address the looming global catastrophe that is climate change.
I believe she will pursue American interests and American hegemony in a way that will further destabilize the Middle East and move us no closer to enduring foreign policy solutions in that region. But so would any other viable candidate for office, and she is demonstrably superior to the alternative on every point.
I believe she will follow in her husband's footsteps and enact policies and legislation that are detrimental to the long-term health and equity of the American economy. But, again, so would any other viable candidate for office.
I think she has been behind the curve on just about every important social issue in her lifetime and has to be dragged toward the light in most cases.
I believe she is insulated from normal working- or middle-class life, distorted by her wealth and that of her peers, and detached from the concerns of most Americans.
Also, she should have been smarter about how she handled her emails and quicker to admit fault and dismiss the issue.
All that said, I would still enthusiastically vote for her without a moment's hesitation were I able.
As I would almost Democrat in this political context.
As should you.
I generally like her a lot, but there are a few things I don't like.
1. She tends to be hawkish in general, and is too much like Obama and Bush in that regard, though I imagine even Bernie Sanders would have been pulled into similar conflicts if he were president.
2. She voted for the Iraq War under the assumption that the Bush administration was telling the truth; a lot of people did, but I would argue that she (and way too many other Democrats) are far too willing to give Republicans the benefit of the doubt when they don't deserve it. I think she should have been a lot more skeptical about their motives, especially since Dick Cheney said in '94 that invading Iraq would be a quagmire.
3. She has focused too much on giving the #NeverTrumpers a way out when the vast majority of them were never going to support her.
4. She hasn't really been great on coming up with answers on the emails. I know it's a practically non-issue at this point, but the answer she gave at the debate was a great one and should have been type of answer she gave from the start.
5. Her best speeches are the ones where she demolishes her target in a methodical point-by-point fashion and I wish she did more of those, though I haven't been watching any speeches lately so for all I know she has been.
6. She could stand to connect Trump to the Republican Party a little more. Forget the #NeverTrumpers, most Republicans are supporting their racist, sexist nominee.
1. She tends to be hawkish in general, and is too much like Obama and Bush in that regard, though I imagine even Bernie Sanders would have been pulled into similar conflicts if he were president.
2. She voted for the Iraq War under the assumption that the Bush administration was telling the truth; a lot of people did, but I would argue that she (and way too many other Democrats) are far too willing to give Republicans the benefit of the doubt when they don't deserve it. I think she should have been a lot more skeptical about their motives, especially since Dick Cheney said in '94 that invading Iraq would be a quagmire.
3. She has focused too much on giving the #NeverTrumpers a way out when the vast majority of them were never going to support her.
4. She hasn't really been great on coming up with answers on the emails. I know it's a practically non-issue at this point, but the answer she gave at the debate was a great one and should have been type of answer she gave from the start.
5. Her best speeches are the ones where she demolishes her target in a methodical point-by-point fashion and I wish she did more of those, though I haven't been watching any speeches lately so for all I know she has been.
6. She could stand to connect Trump to the Republican Party a little more. Forget the #NeverTrumpers, most Republicans are supporting their racist, sexist nominee.
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Rubiobot's not self-aware yet. Needs several more patches and upgrades before they reboot it again for primetime.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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If Rubio was a much better candidate, he would have been a much better candidate.
Yeah one wiggle and a million internet memes, its fucking ridiculous. The other side posted she was have some kind of siezure, she is fucked either way.
Almost a code word for Establishment though not quite.
I think that Clinton's foreign policy direction is misguided. The goal of any American president is to define the United States' role in dealing with the rest of the world, and the trend of the last few presidents has not been to do a very good job at this. Albeit Obama did a much better job than Bush did, but I don't see Clinton doing too much to improve on this. However, I don't know if I would expect that of any president, so it's not that much of a knock on her.
Domestically, I expect Clinton to be largely subservient to the multinationals, but that's been the standard approach of the executive for decades. She's probably more likely to push back now than at any prior period, so the outlook is not entirely negative.
Aside from these though, I think that Clinton is about as good a candidate for president as you can want. She's got the experience and acumen to do a good job. One really big plus is that there's probably no politician in the entire world as scrutinized as Clinton has been, and she has relatively few skeletons in her closet.
Domestically, I expect Clinton to be largely subservient to the multinationals, but that's been the standard approach of the executive for decades. She's probably more likely to push back now than at any prior period, so the outlook is not entirely negative.
Aside from these though, I think that Clinton is about as good a candidate for president as you can want. She's got the experience and acumen to do a good job. One really big plus is that there's probably no politician in the entire world as scrutinized as Clinton has been, and she has relatively few skeletons in her closet.
Shake Appeal
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It's an electoral strategy right now, but I imagine she'll pivot to nailing them to him once elected.
Hari Seldon
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Exactly. I absolutely do not trust Hilary to reign in the corporatist horseshit that is going on. She will do the opposite of that.
It's just funny how many people argued in 2008 that Obama didn't have enough experience whereas now the narrative has shifted that Clinton has too much experience. It makes the entire "experience" excuse sound like a copout attack to avoid discussing things on a deeper level.
thelastcrusader
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Honestly I don't like the Clintons because of Bill frequenting the Lolita plane without his secret service. That story just disgusts me to no end. The rape accusation I found out about and a story I heard recently on the radio about Bill which validated the rape story even more. Also the alleged interaction with the victim and Hillary gave me chills. The story on the radio was basically how Bill would stand outside on campus all the time to walk girls home like a gentleman but to me it definitely sounded creepy.
https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/
Here's an interesting article about them I found not too long ago.
And of course the many things Hillary has said like super predator, and the fact that she idolizes a woman who was an advocate of eugenics.
These are just the many things that have made me on a personal level dislike Clinton. Now there are x100 things I dislike about Trump but this thread isn't about him. I likely will not be voting for either.
https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/
Here's an interesting article about them I found not too long ago.
And of course the many things Hillary has said like super predator, and the fact that she idolizes a woman who was an advocate of eugenics.
These are just the many things that have made me on a personal level dislike Clinton. Now there are x100 things I dislike about Trump but this thread isn't about him. I likely will not be voting for either.
PHOENIXZERO
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I'm pretty sure this is one of the videos that were getting circulated on the whole banks/Wall Street influence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg
Not my opinion... yet.
But there's a big group from my college saying that Hillary would be worse for latin american countries than a Trump presidency. Because Hillary has always defended USA meddling in other countries policy (Even Obama is guilty of this with shit like the TPP and the pressure to sign it
). I
But there's a big group from my college saying that Hillary would be worse for latin american countries than a Trump presidency. Because Hillary has always defended USA meddling in other countries policy (Even Obama is guilty of this with shit like the TPP and the pressure to sign it
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Perfect response. She carries herself in public the way she does because she fucking has to. This woman arguably worked harder than most to get to where she was in life, and faced more challenges than the majority of legislators on the Hill, or most other places.
That's fair enough. That's just my visceral reaction to how she presents. I can't imagine how hard she's had to work to be taken seriously, and the fact that she's in the running is an inspiration.
Muppet of a Man
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She is the real deal candidate. Best American politician that there is and a genuine person on top of it all with the best interests of her countrymen at heart.
How do you suggest we quantify charisma? How do we present it as a measure in an argument? "She has twelve charismosand that's too few charismos."
"She lacks charisma" is not a product of the media machine. It is a result of her character, and how she presents herself. She has admitted she is not as at home giving speeches, as, say, Bill Clinton. This shows. It is the reason so many of her speeches have a rehearsed quality. This does not diminish the message, but it may contribute to why people see her as "low energy" and "not genuine." She is just fine as an orator. She has just enough presence and remains cool, collected. But she does not light the base. One of the sore spots for her campaign is a lack of excitement. If Obama was inspiring and professorial, Clinton is professional and business-like.
andythinkpad
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You know I personally don't have problem with most of the politicians in the world today who seemingly have to sell their emotions, passions and souls in their relentless climb to the top of their political stages. If you look at Xi Jinping, he is known for having very wooden expression in public. Very charismatic leaders like Duterte are actually terrible leaders.
What put me off in this election season are people who put way way over photoshopped photo of Hillary as their avatar. Who are you trying to lie to? Yourself?
What put me off in this election season are people who put way way over photoshopped photo of Hillary as their avatar. Who are you trying to lie to? Yourself?
thelastcrusader
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Lol she looks 20 years younger in all her campaign propaganda.
Aaron Strife
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I really hate the way she eats crackers. Like she owns the place.
Omegasquash
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Well done.
Also, I don't dislike her. I like her. But you don't have to agree 100% with everything that anyone says or does to like them and favor them. There are issues that are dealbreakers for people, and that's OK. No one should criticize them for it (for the most part).
I think she's got a fantastic progressive agenda. I can't think of anything that has be doubting her, but I would like to know what she said in those speakings with Wall St. (collectively).
evilromero
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I think she's very qualified for this position. In fact of all the candidates that were vetted throughout the year, no one comes close to having her humanitarian, diplomatic and political experience.
Hari Seldon
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Yeah Elizabeth Warren is the president we need.
Her platform is not neoliberal....like at all.
Dreams-Visions
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I'm pretty indifferent to her as a person. I hope she does a good job as President, but she's clearly not the most exciting or endearing of personalities.
I don't see why people would actively dislike her any more than any other politician. They're all truth-twisters, manipulators, liars, and opportunists. She's pretty par for the course there.
I don't see why people would actively dislike her any more than any other politician. They're all truth-twisters, manipulators, liars, and opportunists. She's pretty par for the course there.
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I dislike her because she's not the perfect candidate. When she smiles it's clearly a ploy to appear human, and when she's measured it makes me not want to drink beer with her. She's also clearly just as bad as Trump (although I will backpedal faster than Lance Armstrong in reverse if you call me on it) and is a career politician, which you DEFINITELY don't want in a president.
CharminUltra
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Rumor has it she likes Tabasco.
Would you really vote for someone like that?
Would you really vote for someone like that?
Serious answer: I haven't mindlessly bought into the inane hate campaign against her, so no, I don't dislike her.
I hear she just carries that around to pander to the black vote.
thelastcrusader
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These are all good points too.
I wish people would stop with this....changing an opinion on gay marriage is not a flip flop.
benjipwns
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I tend to dislike the people who wind up actually in power more than people who have no power.
Which is why I'm okay with Grandma Hillary and hate President Trump.
Especially when everyone, including Obama and Biden, made the same damn change.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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I don't dislike her.
Out of the lot of people running to be leader of our country, she really is the only one that has demonstrated actually being qualified to do so.
Does she have some baggage? Sure, but baggage is expected when you are in the public eye for decades.
Out of the lot of people running to be leader of our country, she really is the only one that has demonstrated actually being qualified to do so.
Does she have some baggage? Sure, but baggage is expected when you are in the public eye for decades.
Wait what.. Really? Supporting the death penalty is super disgusting imo.
benjipwns
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So you haven't heard of Benghazi huh
Seems not open enough . And in general too opportunistic politician feeling person . Having said that reading up on her she does seem to have her heart and priorities in the right place ... Just is not the best at going about them in public ... Would make a great beaurecrat or like ambassador (eg Secretary of State also) dunno why she's running for president frankly
I mean, is this a real question?
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